Pedophiles and homosexuals

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Homosexuals make the claim that they are born that way.Scientists try to discover some genetic marker that will prove they can determine homosexuals.Some scientists say they are born homosexuals and its nnot their choice or they have no freedom.If we agree with this why can’t pedophiles claim the same.I was born a pedophile and ive always been attracted to children.When I was 10 yrs old I played house with this other little boy.Why do you arrest me for groping a little girl who doesn’t resist when I give her candy but you let homosexual boys or adults engage in activities and even pass laws which protect them?One might say that children at 8 can’t make reasonable choices.Wonder if I say they are capable of knowing what they are doing and seem to enjoy it?I say Im a pedophile and I demand equal rights!
 
Children are not fully sexually, mentally, and emotionally developed. Inappropriate sexual contact has dire effects on their well-being and future successes. The two aren’t comparable.
 
valentino said:
Homosexuals make the claim that they are born that way.Scientists try to discover some genetic marker that will prove they can determine homosexuals.Some scientists say they are born homosexuals and its nnot their choice or they have no freedom.If we agree with this why can’t pedophiles claim the same.I was born a pedophile and ive always been attracted to children.When I was 10 yrs old I played house with this other little boy.Why do you arrest me for groping a little girl who doesn’t resist when I give her candy but you let homosexual boys or adults engage in activities and even pass laws which protect them?One might say that children at 8 can’t make reasonable choices.Wonder if I say they are capable of knowing what they are doing and seem to enjoy it?I say Im a pedophile and I demand equal rights!
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Valentino, how do you know you are pedophile? Have you been diagnosed as such by a licensed Pscychologist? From what I’ve read in the DSM-IV, only a small percentage of persons who have exhibited this behavior are “True” pedophiles. The rest of the percentage are considered “Partial”, “Abusers”, and/or “Psychopaths”. From which the majority of sex offenders have been found to be Abusers and Psychopaths with no sexual attraction to children. The difference between “True” and “Partial” is based on whether the attraction is continuous or occasional during the person’s lifetime.

I may point out that the percentages listed in the DSM-IV come from studies based on people who have sought counseling or received mental health care. It does not take into account those who are not “bothered” by their conditions.

Perhaps, you should seek psychological counseling to see if you really do have this condition.
 
valentino said:
Homosexuals make the claim that they are born that way.Scientists try to discover some genetic marker that will prove they can determine homosexuals.Some scientists say they are born homosexuals and its nnot their choice or they have no freedom.If we agree with this why can’t pedophiles claim the same.I was born a pedophile and ive always been attracted to children.When I was 10 yrs old I played house with this other little boy.Why do you arrest me for groping a little girl who doesn’t resist when I give her candy but you let homosexual boys or adults engage in activities and even pass laws which protect them?One might say that children at 8 can’t make reasonable choices.Wonder if I say they are capable of knowing what they are doing and seem to enjoy it?I say Im a pedophile and I demand equal rights!
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Was this behavior ever reported to a responsible adult? Have you engaged any of this behavior since you yourself have become an adult? Do you think that pedophiles should have unrestricted access to children?
 
Sonic said:
Valentino, how do you know you are pedophile? Have you been diagnosed as such by a licensed Pscychologist? From what I’ve read in the DSM-IV, only a small percentage of persons who have exhibited this behavior are “True” pedophiles. The rest of the percentage are considered “Partial”, “Abusers”, and/or “Psychopaths”. From which the majority of sex offenders have been found to be Abusers and Psychopaths with no sexual attraction to children. The difference between “True” and “Partial” is based on whether the attraction is continuous or occasional during the person’s lifetime.

I may point out that the percentages listed in the DSM-IV come from studies based on people who have sought counseling or received mental health care. It does not take into account those who are not “bothered” by their conditions.

Perhaps, you should seek psychological counseling to see if you really do have this condition.
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I knew after I posted this that I would be questioned.im merely talking as if i were a pedophile.
 
joanofarc2008 said:
Was this behavior ever reported to a responsible adult? Have you engaged any of this behavior since you yourself have become an adult? Do you think that pedophiles should have unrestricted access to children?
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Please read answer to post #5.Thank you.Please answer question in that light.
 
Oh dear, I understand the confusion!

I will reply to what evidently you meant instead of to an apparent confession to pedophilia!

I think that both homosexuality and pedophilia are unchosen states, and agree we cannot punish someone for something they are neither responsible for or capable of changing. But the difference is that homosexuality and gay sex do not harm people but pedophilia does. And gay sex can be fully consensual whereas child victims do not give adequate consent, and are not thought to participate in romantic relationships with adults. Gay adults commonly have loving relationships however, which is important.

Also, pedophiles are not responsible for being attracted to children, but my view is that voluntary chemical castration could be a progressive step. If there was a means to diminish this attraction, it would be worth taking it (if one was a pedophile) to indicate a recognition that acting upon it would be unacceptably damaging. The reward in return would be legitimate acceptance by society.
 
valentino said:
Homosexuals make the claim that they are born that way.Scientists try to discover some genetic marker that will prove they can determine homosexuals.Some scientists say they are born homosexuals and its nnot their choice or they have no freedom.If we agree with this why can’t pedophiles claim the same.I was born a pedophile and ive always been attracted to children.When I was 10 yrs old I played house with this other little boy.Why do you arrest me for groping a little girl who doesn’t resist when I give her candy but you let homosexual boys or adults engage in activities and even pass laws which protect them?One might say that children at 8 can’t make reasonable choices.Wonder if I say they are capable of knowing what they are doing and seem to enjoy it?I say Im a pedophile and I demand equal rights!
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Being born that way is not an excuse.
We are all born with original sin and it takes many different forms, homosexuality being one them. Homosexuals are the only ones out there using “born that way” as an excuse for anything.
 
Then heterosexuals are born inherently sinful too, and might make the same claim in their defence.

But given that not everything that is done after the Fall is necessarily morally wrong, how can we judge morality? I think the ultimate measurement of the moral value of an action is the degree of love with which it is conducted. Saint Teresa of Avila herself said: ‘It is love alone that gives worth to all things.’

Is having sex with a child done out of love? No. Can sex between any two adults in a committed relationship express love? Yes, in my opinion, whether they are gay, bi or straight.
 
As I was writing this, I noticed that you are were saying this as if you were a pedophile, but I was almost done so I will post it anyways. The last part is probably most relevant. If a pedophile were to claim this I would say something along the lines of this:

Children are unable to make those decisions. A pedophile can’t say that children are capable of knowing what they are doing; they aren’t. For example, a child may enjoy ice cream and candy, but they may not understand that ice cream and candy is unhealthy for them. They can not have a diet filled only with sugar, regardless of how much they like it. I also doubt any child would like to be sexually abused, but that is a totally different subject. I used diet as an example, and, to be honest, that is a terrible example. DIet is far more simple than sexual relations. Many adults do not understand what sexual relations and relationships truly mean, so you can not expect children to.
If we agree with this why can’t pedophiles claim the same.
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Catholics do not agree. There has been no scientific evidence that homosexuality is genetic. Also, Catholics do not condone homosexual activity. We believe homosexuality is disordered. Having homosexual tendencies is not a sin, but to engage in homosexual acts is a mortal sin, so that point in and of itself would be invalid( to a Catholic anyway). Also, the difference is that many scientists believe it is a hormonal abnormality while the child is developing before birth that causes homosexuality. For example, a homosexual male may have had a larger amount of estrogen and a homosexual female may have had a larger amount/proportion of testosterone than normal. Some scientist believe that this may lead same-sex attraction. In other words, it is an abnormal amount of a normal hormone that triggers same-sex attraction. There is not a hormone that would create attraction to children. That is the major difference, I believe, in the perception of pedophiles and homosexuals in the scientific world. Once again though, there is no scientific proof of this phenomenon. Even if proof did develop, it would not change the morality of homosexuality or pedophilia. Homosexuality and pedophilia should be looked at as a cross to bear, not a trait given by God.
 
babylonsfalling said:
Being born that way is not an excuse.
We are all born with original sin and it takes many different forms, homosexuality being one them. Homosexuals are the only ones out there using “born that way” as an excuse for anything.
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if a homosexual can base his homosexuality on genetics why can’t a pedophile or a person who commits incest?Why can’t this pedophile say “I want this government to do research and see if im not born a pedophile and its not my fault”?it hasn’t happened yet but who would have thought 50yrs ago that homosexuality would be deemed ok by such a large amount of people?Are you saying this can’t possibly happen?Im saying any perversion that this country wishes to allow (homosexuality)can lead to others wanting their perversions to be allowed.The pedophile may argue that homosexuality is born in the individual and his pedophilia is born in his genetic material.The isssue of incest was brought up not to long ago and there was a debate whether the parent had the right to violate his child or not.
 
karebear92 said:
As I was writing this, I noticed that you are were saying this as if you were a pedophile, but I was almost done so I will post it anyways. The last part is probably most relevant. If a pedophile were to claim this I would say something along the lines of this:

Children are unable to make those decisions. A pedophile can’t say that children are capable of knowing what they are doing; they aren’t. For example, a child may enjoy ice cream and candy, but they may not understand that ice cream and candy is unhealthy for them. They can not have a diet filled only with sugar, regardless of how much they like it. I also doubt any child would like to be sexually abused, but that is a totally different subject. I used diet as an example, and, to be honest, that is a terrible example. DIet is far more simple than sexual relations. Many adults do not understand what sexual relations and relationships truly mean, so you can not expect children to.

Catholics do not agree. There has been no scientific evidence that homosexuality is genetic. Also, Catholics do not condone homosexual activity. We believe homosexuality is disordered. Having homosexual tendencies is not a sin, but to engage in homosexual acts is a mortal sin, so that point in and of itself would be invalid( to a Catholic anyway). Also, the difference is that many scientists believe it is a hormonal abnormality while the child is developing before birth that causes homosexuality. For example, a homosexual male may have had a larger amount of estrogen and a homosexual female may have had a larger amount/proportion of testosterone than normal. Some scientist believe that this may lead same-sex attraction. In other words, it is an abnormal amount of a normal hormone that triggers same-sex attraction. There is not a hormone that would create attraction to children. That is the major difference, I believe, in the perception of pedophiles and homosexuals in the scientific world. Once again though, there is no scientific proof of this phenomenon. Even if proof did develop, it would not change the morality of homosexuality or pedophilia. Homosexuality and pedophilia should be looked at as a cross to bear, not a trait given by God.
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thanks.In stating my view I don’t see how an increase in a hormone can produce a person to be homosexual.It may affect his development(he may be more or less hairy,or he may have larger breasts than normal,ect.)but I don’t agree that it can change his mind as to which sex he prefers.If i had large breasts due to estrogen how could my large breasts cause me to identify with being a female.And if it were possible it would still depend on my decision if I wanted to actually act like a female and seek male friends for sex.
 
Valentino, I know absolutely what you are saying, and I’ve probably said it before myself on this forum. Except that I wouldn’t and can’t use myself as an example.

Do schizophrenics choose to be schizophrenic? Do alcoholics choose to be alcoholic? There might be some choices involved, but for a large part, these things are not considered a choice.

You must also remember that pedophilia is not even explicitly mentioned in the Bible. If you are an adult male that likes boys, you are a homosexual. If you do naughty things to young girls, you are a fornicator, but with a twist, perhaps.

By the way, you should ask the mod to move your thread to Apologetics, Moral Theology, or Family Life, or something like that, since you were naughty, and didn’t link to the mandatory news article required for the World news forum.

Now, for the matter of the question of children giving consent. Don’t be too eager to say that no one can say that children do not give consent. It has been said. Lindsay Ashford has said so. Use extreme caution in doing a web search on his name. What has been seen, cannot be unseen. It can be traumatic to see that guy.
 
valentino said:
Im trying to give an argument a pedophile might use in supporting his position.
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If the question is rhetorical, I will still stand by the information I posted but from a position that it was directed toward an imaginary person and not Valentino.

Previous post for reference:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=8008811&postcount=3

The criteria for diagnosing such an individual is very vague. That has been one of the major criticisms of all the DSM’s over the years.

Many Psychopaths and Child Abusers often claim to be pedophiles, because they believe it will gain them sympathy or lower their sentences by admitting to having the psychological condition. Hence, they often receive counseling for the condition and not for their actual psychological problems. They have no sexual attraction to children, but do enjoy hurting people (often raping a child to hurt a parent or for pure sadistic enjoyment).

According to Fr. Benedict Groeschel, CFR; he believes the great majority of sexual offenders in the church were/are psychopathic and not pedophiles:

ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/seriessearchprog.asp?seriesID=6689&T1=Groeschel

The truth is that the laws are in place to protect children from being harmed from people who wish to harm them.

Many of the arguments made by pedophiles is they are not doing harm to children, and that in fact children enjoy and are not harmed by sexual interaction with adults. I will also point out that the criteria for the study of human sexual development in this area has seriously been called into question. Children are harmed and suffer from sexual contact with adults.

I will point you to these links as references:

The Kinsey Syndrome
youtube.com/watch?v=rAvF23WvoUc

Kinsey’s Paedophiles produced by York Television for the BBC
youtube.com/watch?v=htAUysRPvNs

For more research into the controversy:

drjudithreisman.org/

Also, the documentary American Experience: Kinsey which aired on PBS.
 
James1215 said:
Then heterosexuals are born inherently sinful too, and might make the same claim in their defence.

But given that not everything that is done after the Fall is necessarily morally wrong, how can we judge morality? I think the ultimate measurement of the moral value of an action is the degree of love with which it is conducted. Saint Teresa of Avila herself said: ‘It is love alone that gives worth to all things.’

Is having sex with a child done out of love? No. Can sex between any two adults in a committed relationship express love? Yes, in my opinion, whether they are gay, bi or straight.
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thank for responding.Now i say of course men can love one another.We are suppose to.i love my brother and possible sacrifice myself for him.But that doesn’t mean I have the right(its moral) to engage in sex with him or another male.Sexual relations have to be ordered.God says they have to be ordered.Since you don’t believe in God I understand you taking a different view than mine.EXplain what you are saying?heterosexuals can make the same defense?Defense that they were born heterosexual ?
 
Sonic:thanks.So am I right in saying that you agree that homosexuality can’t be justiffied by saying it s genetic?That is a definite choice which a person makes to engage in sex with a person of the same gender?That homosexuals are not born?
 
Teen4Christ said:
Children are not fully sexually, mentally, and emotionally developed. Inappropriate sexual contact has dire effects on their well-being and future successes. The two aren’t comparable.
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thank you.I agree.
 
James1215 said:
Oh dear, I understand the confusion!

I will reply to what evidently you meant instead of to an apparent confession to pedophilia!

I think that both homosexuality and pedophilia are unchosen states, and agree we cannot punish someone for something they are neither responsible for or capable of changing. But the difference is that homosexuality and gay sex do not harm people but pedophilia does. And gay sex can be fully consensual whereas child victims do not give adequate consent, and are not thought to participate in romantic relationships with adults. Gay adults commonly have loving relationships however, which is important.

Also, pedophiles are not responsible for being attracted to children, but my view is that voluntary chemical castration could be a progressive step. If there was a means to diminish this attraction, it would be worth taking it (if one was a pedophile) to indicate a recognition that acting upon it would be unacceptably damaging. The reward in return would be legitimate acceptance by society.
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thank again.we differ.I don;t believe they are unchosen states.Is a murderer born a murderer?is it an unchosen state?How do you knnow if there is not some genetic determinant for murderers?If you believe this than no one is responsible for anything he does and we should seek some chemical to cure or stop his behavior.Since your an athiest i understand you I believe.You believe all the things man does is in his genes.right.that man is in reality not able to make free choices.
 
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