Pelosi Says Her Catholic Faith ‘Compels’ Her To Support Gay Marriage

[Dymphna82]

Excommunicated?!
If the church excommunicated every member who disagreed with a teaching or sinned…well, the congregation would be kinda sparse!

I didn’t ask for every member to be excommunicated, just her. But I really do think the Church should make an example of more people. If I was Pope, I’d excommunicate any person that has ever signed a petition in support of abortion or gay marriage. It’s a good thing I’m born to be Dymphna, and not Pope.

 

[Dymphna82]

She got her comeuppance from Michael Voris!
youtube.com/watch?v=uDbGt0qwua8&feature=share

Voris brings sanity to my life.

 

[Fiasco]

Thanks Fiasco, for reminding the sinners on this thread," Domini Miserere Nobis"!
Peace, Carlan

It should keep us sober!

I keep seeing on these forums that the Catholic Church doesn’t know who is in hell. Does that include Judas?

Jesus`s words:

…woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born. [Matthew 26:24 RSV]

Not very encouraging words.

Here’s the thing. If Nancy Pelosi wants to call herself a Catholic, that is a right given her by the Catholic Church by virtue of her Baptism and in her case I’m presuming her Confirmation as well. I would think Catholics would rather see her sticking around where she has the Sacraments of Reconciliation and Anointing available to her at some point just as they do. Rather than if she is indeed viewed as not in full communion, to then drive her further away and have her go elsewhere. Once a person is driven elsewhere, they might never return. But I may never understand the whole concept of those who think differently and believe she should refrain from calling herself a Catholic or should leave.

And how much scandal should the Church have to put up with? How many very foolish Catholics have sided with her? Shes encouraging the "Gay" "Rights" activists to keep shouting and threatening. **Our Lord, Himself, mentioned millstones.** Well all have to give an account of ourselves. That includes you…along with the rest of us on this thread.

As with others here, its sickening to see the way the TRUTH can be twisted to suit the agenda of a politician!!! She knows what shes doing. She knows what the Church teaches. And to have the hide to say that her Catholic faith compels her to take that stand is sicker than sick!
Scripture states that liers and hypocrites, among others (eg adulterers, and that includes practitioners of sodomy who defy the Church), wont err "make it" into Heaven. Gods quite capable of seeing through deception.

One of the many other titles of the Father of lies is “The Deceiver”. Is it a good idea to cooperate with him in that? His promises are worse than empty.

What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul. [Matthew 16:26 NIV]

Politicians are covered by that quote.

Other options:
“Cafeteria Catholic Answers Forum”
“Heretic Catholic Answers Forum”

Ex-Catholic Apostates Forums? E-CAFs.

The aforementioned folks are members of the body of Christ by virtue of their being Catholic. By the fruit they bear (their public attitudes and actions), they are very sick and hurting members. I say that the best thing we can do is pray for them and leave everything else up to God to convert them. Of course, as well we obliged to oppose their “lunacy”.

Some members of the Body of Christ strike me as being malignant cancer cells. That`s even worse.

No. From all indications she was baptized in a Catholic church.

That would be the case with a lot of fallen/off-the-rails/ex-Catholics.

Excommunicated?!
If the church excommunicated every member who disagreed with a teaching or sinned…well, the congregation would be kinda sparse!

“or sinned”?
Thats why the Church has the Sacrament of Confession. No sane Catholic believes that were not all sinners. But, most of us arent PUBLIC SINNERS of the same magnitude as certain public figures. Theres the scandal.
The Church is held up for public ridicule, and made to look like a toothless tiger.

 

[CMatt25]

Excommunicated?!
If the church excommunicated every member who disagreed with a teaching or sinned…well, the congregation would be kinda sparse!

That might be the goal. The Pope said something at one time about smaller but purer.

 

[Elizabeth502]

It is sinful to specualte on the sinfulness of any other person: that’s called rash judgment. The sinfulness of public officials is not the issue. We also have to assume that it’s not necessarily any greater than the sinfulness of the rest of the human race.

The issue is the public representation of what is or is not an authentically Catholic viewpoint. Individuals baptized in the faith do not privately decide what authentic Catholic teaching is. That’s why there’s catechesis for children and for adults. That’s why there are abundant documents explaining that teaching by people formally trained in apologetics. That’s why it is both a privilege and a responsibility for a Confirmed Catholic to become fully informed about that teaching, and to correct one’s own private misunderstandings.

Nor is the issue her technically Catholic identity. Her identity is fully Catholic; her representation of Church teachings is decidedly un-Catholic. The two realities are not necessarily interdependent. She doesn’t have “more” credibility as to the accuracy of her statements “because” she was baptized a Catholic and still practices her faith.

And the remedy for public miscommunication is public correction, not excommunication.

 

[jsaldar]

Power corrupts. Our politicians are twisting their own faith in order to remain in power and gain even more power. They mold their views around popular opinion to gain acceptance.

Since gay pride and gay marriage is being promoted by most media, a lot of people are believing this lie. They don’t recognize that the reason that perhaps this lie is so abundantly promoted is because there are a lot of gays running the media’s upper management positions.Therefore, they are promoting their views upon millions, daily.

 

[CMatt25]

But it appears that you wrote just that. You wrote, " not as confident that if … Nancy Pelosi was here…could identify as such". She couldn’t identify as such if she were here, but she’s not here, and she can clearly identify as such. So why the difference?

There is no difference if she identifies herself as a Catholic now which so many of you assure me you have no problem with based on Church teaching and her Baptism. Or if she were saying the same things here and yet as you say she couldn’t identify as such here. Yet the same teaching I would think would apply here. That’s why I said “not to me”. It should make no difference where she was. I know you would be worried about scandal if she were here but you’re claiming she’s causing scandal now. The contradiction makes no sense whatsoever. If she’s a Catholic now based on Church teaching and her Baptism, I would think she should certainly be one here too since it is the Catholic answer that she is.

 

[JimG]

Politicians like Pelosi, Biden, and many others who are nominally Catholic yet espouse positions which are antithetical to Catholic morality, are sort of living oxymorons. It’s hard to take seriously someone who says “I’m a Catholic, and I’m pro-abortion, pro-homosexual marriage, and favor forcing Catholic institutions to violate their conscience.” They try to hold two opposite ideas in their mind as being equally true, and I don’t know how they can do that. Nor do I see how the media can take them seriously when they in effect advocate opposite positions simultaneously.

No one would take Fred Phelps’ Westboro Baptist Church as representing actual Baptists. Nor should anyone take Pelosi as representing Catholic morality.

I really think that the greater danger is not so much politicians like Pelosi, as organizatios like “Catholics United” which purports to be Catholic while advocating for policies and politicians antithetical to Catholic morality, trying to give anti-Catholic positions respectability.

 

[Crescentinus]

Voris brings sanity to my life.

The power of Voris is awesome.

 

[CMatt25]

They should be able to call themselves Catholic, but not use their Catholicism as an excuse to support gay marriage. If you support gay marriage, then you support your own beliefs more than God and the Church. You are saying you are more right than God himself.

Believers may not be supporting what the Catholic Church believes if they support gay marriage, but I wouldn’t say they aren’t supporting God or think they are more right than God. But that’s an entirely different thread. I do truly undertand though you have to say that since you believe the Catholic Church represents God correctly in all things. I see you have returned to the Catholic faith which I assume you mean to the full practice of. I’m glad for you. And may God continue to bless you along your journey and keep you in peace always.

 

[Elizabeth502]

Nor do I see how the media can take them seriously when they in effect advocate opposite positions simultaneously.

They “can” take them seriously, Jim, because of the media’s own agenda. It’s a convenient (if informal) “stamp of approval” when an official inauthentically claims to represent Catholic teaching when advocating for certain political issues. The media rationalizes to itself and its viewers the same thing that some other CAF members do: that “because” the official is a baptized Catholic, “therefore” he or she represents the faith accurately and legitimately.

More than half of baptized adult Catholics do not know their faith. I am not referring to obscure facts, but to some of the most basic tenets (dogma and doctrine), in all areas of theology: sacraments, systematics, scripture, spirituality, etc. You can take it to the bank that MSNBC, CNN, and the NYT do not know the Catholic faith. And I know that because of the kinds of amazing statements from the mouths of Chris Matthews and Joan Walsh (two baptized, practicing Catholics) on MSNBC.

And in the media’s modern (shallow) understanding, if you’re a member of something, that makes you an expert. Everyone’s an “expert,” you see.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Believers may not be supporting what the Catholic Church believes if they support gay marriage, but I wouldn’t say they aren’t supporting God or think they are more right than God. But that’s an entirely different thread. I do truly undertand though you have to say that since you believe the Catholic Church represents God correctly in all things. Peace.

Are you saying that you don’t believe the Catholic Church represents God correctly in all things

Infallibility:The gift of the Holy Spirit to the Church whereby the pastors of the Church,the popes and bishops in union with him,can definitively proclaim a doctrine of faith or marals for the belief of the faithful.This gift is related to the inability of thevwhole body of the faithful to err in matters of faith and morals. CCC

 

[CMatt25]

Do you care about the souls of those people, who follow their own code of conducts and beliefs, that are against God? Do you care if they go to Heaven or Hell?

Yes I care very much. Though I’m not sure I would say they are against God. But again I understand why you say and believe that.

 

[DoGodsBidding]

They “can” take them seriously, Jim, because of the media’s own agenda. It’s a convenient (if informal) “stamp of approval” when an official inauthentically claims to represent Catholic teaching when advocating for certain political issues. The media rationalizes to itself and its viewers the same thing that some other CAF members do: that “because” the official is a baptized Catholic, “therefore” he or she represents the faith accurately and legitimately.

More than half of baptized adult Catholics do not know their faith. I am not referring to obscure facts, but to some of the most basic tenets (dogma and doctrine), in all areas of theology: sacraments, systematics, scripture, spirituality, etc. You can take it to the bank that MSNBC, CNN, and the NYT do not know the Catholic faith. And I know that because of the kinds of amazing statements from the mouths of Chris Matthews and Joan Walsh (two baptized, practicing Catholics) on MSNBC.

And in the media’s modern (shallow) understanding, if you’re a member of something, that makes you an expert. Everyone’s an “expert,” you see.

Good points. It is convenient for the media that Pelosi is promoting their liberal view, but had she correctly stated that her Catholic Faith compels her to be against SSM there would be an outcry for the separation of Church and state.

DGB

 

[CMatt25]

Are you saying that you don’t believe the Catholic Church represents God correctly in all things

I’m merely saying there are different theological beliefs that other believers in God have.

 

[Jeanne_S]

I’m merely saying there are different theological beliefs that other believers in God have.

Please te read my post as I edited it to add explanation of infallibility per the CCC

 

[St_Francis]

I’m merely saying there are different theological beliefs that other believers in God have.

But Pelosi puts herself out there as a *Catholic *believer in God.

 

[CMatt25]

Please te read my post as I edited it to add explanation of infallibility per the CCC

Thanks Jeanne. I did just now after you informed me of the edit.

 

[St_Francis]

You know what’s kind of scarey… in our society, no one criticizes Pelosi for going against the Catholic Church, or anyone else who loudly proclaims their Catholicism while simultaneously proclaiming something against the Church.

The MMS and all their ilk are *happy *to see people in the Church who are undermining Church teachings. Look at how they treat people who they think ought ot be in their camp but who aren’t: they call them Oreo, banana, coconut (one color on the outside, white on the inside).

They don’t call Pelosi and others like her out on their hypocrisy of claiming membership in a group with whom they disagree; they *applaud *her *for that, *because they want to see the Church brought down, the Catholic Church which is the only insitution which stands against their culture of death.

Pelosi, Schwarzenegger, Giuliani, Biden, all those people are nothing more than quislings, and they should be treated as such and not be given so much slack, oh, they probably don’t know any better, oh, they can think what they want.

If they want to go against the Catholic Church, that’s fine, it’s a free country, but to stay in the Catholic Church and undermine Her, that is treason, and they are dirty low-down quislings and deserving of *no defense. *

 

[CMatt25]

But Pelosi puts herself out there as a *Catholic *believer in God.

:yawn: St Francis, we are going in circles. Yes she does because she is a Catholic according to Church teaching. I don’t know. Maybe the Church should redefine who She believes is a Catholic and that would solve it.