Penitential Rite a necessary part of Mass?

[anon77300002]

A new parish priest arrived a couple of years ago. One thing of the new things he instituted was Baptism during Mass.
Whenever a baptism takes place he greets the family at the back of the church and begins the Mass “In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.” After reaching the front of the church we get right into the readings. No penitential rite. Is this a problem?

 

[SuscipeMeDomine]

A new parish priest arrived a couple of years ago. One thing of the new things he instituted was Baptism during Mass.
Whenever a baptism takes place he greets the family at the back of the church and begins the Mass “In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.” After reaching the front of the church we get right into the readings. No penitential rite. Is this a problem?

You could always ask your priest. He would tell you that he’s doing things correctly.

This is from the Rite of Baptism:

1. If baptism takes place during Sunday Mass, the Mass for that Sunday is used, or, on the Sundays of the Christmas season and of Ordinary Time, the Mass for the Baptism of Children, and the celebration takes place as follows:
2. The rite of receiving the children (nos. 33-43) takes place at the beginning of Mass and **the greeting and penitential rite of the Mass are omitted. **

 

[Allen537]

It is similar to Funerals as well. The casket is met by the priest at the back of the church, a sprinkling rite is performed, and then once the casket is brought to the front of the church, the opening prayer in said.

In Carmel,

Br. Allen

 

[FrDavid96]

A new parish priest arrived a couple of years ago. One thing of the new things he instituted was Baptism during Mass.
Whenever a baptism takes place he greets the family at the back of the church and begins the Mass “In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.” After reaching the front of the church we get right into the readings. No penitential rite. Is this a problem?

Hopefully, he is doing the opening prayer as well.

Other than that, it seems that what he’s doing is perfectly legitimate, even if it might seem a little odd at first. A little more instruction for the congregation might be in order, though. Perhaps you could mention this to him and ask him to explain it a little better to everyone. I doubt you’re the only one who has questions. I don’t say challenge him on doing it, but bring up the point that some catechesis is in order. He just might appreciate a “freebie” homily theme!

PS By the way, I just cannot stand the language of “omitting the Penitential Rite” I have some serious problems with that language, even though that’s what’s used in the official books of the Church. I much prefer to say that the Penitential Rite takes a different form.

 

[puzzleannie]

A new parish priest arrived a couple of years ago. One thing of the new things he instituted was Baptism during Mass.
Whenever a baptism takes place he greets the family at the back of the church and begins the Mass “In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.” After reaching the front of the church we get right into the readings. No penitential rite. Is this a problem?

that is the preferred way to “do” baptism, and yes it is okay, also the Creed will be omitted because it is part of the rite, and intentions for the newly baptized & family may replace the prayer of the faithful.
your pastor did not introduce this, the rite calls for it

I do agree catechesis of the congregation is called for-- hope your gentle suggestion inspires priest to use this as a teaching moment

 

[Joan_M]

I’ve learned something here today!

However, now I have a question. On Sundays when we normally say or sing the Gloria (which comes before the opening prayer), should that, also, be omitted?

At Mass the last time baptisms took place (the 2nd Sunday in the month), the priest (not the pastor) omitted the Penitential Rite and the Gloria. Our pastor usually does not do that. He starts the baptism rite prior to Mass (I don’t know how early everything starts - I just know when my husband and I arrive about 15 minutes before Mass time, things are already going on). He is dressed in an alb and stole at that stage. Then he goes back to the sacristy and returns fully vested and starts Mass as he would on a Sunday when we do not have baptisms.

I was a bit taken aback when Fr. Hayden did not use the penitential rite or the Gloria. At least now I am better informed, but would like to know if the Gloria should have been said.

 

[Phemie]

I’ve learned something here today!

However, now I have a question. On Sundays when we normally say or sing the Gloria (which comes before the opening prayer), should that, also, be omitted?

At Mass the last time baptisms took place (the 2nd Sunday in the month), the priest (not the pastor) omitted the Penitential Rite and the Gloria. Our pastor usually does not do that. He starts the baptism rite prior to Mass (I don’t know how early everything starts - I just know when my husband and I arrive about 15 minutes before Mass time, things are already going on). He is dressed in an alb and stole at that stage. Then he goes back to the sacristy and returns fully vested and starts Mass as he would on a Sunday when we do not have baptisms.

I was a bit taken aback when Fr. Hayden did not use the penitential rite or the Gloria. At least now I am better informed, but would like to know if the Gloria should have been said.

We usually sing the Gloria during the procession and when Fr. reaches the chair he says the Opening Prayer.