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Iterum
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Who’s to take care of the wife and child of the priest if they get divorced? Protestant ministers have a 50% divorce rate.
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CTBcin
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I stopped reading after this. How many times do we have to explain that clerical celibacy doesn’t have anything to do with it?
There are certainly valid reasons to advocate for married priests, but this is not one of them.
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brian_custer
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the whole scandal has nothing to do with celibacy
it is about satan’s legions creeping into the hearts & minds of priests/seminarians
they start cooperating with the evil one, perform evil acts; thereby becoming evil people
wake up & smell the coffee
satan and his legions are on the offensive
they will capture single, straight, gay, married, celibate and turn them into machines of destruction
it matters not
satan doesn’t care
capture, conquer & divide…
it is about satan’s legions creeping into the hearts & minds of priests/seminarians
they start cooperating with the evil one, perform evil acts; thereby becoming evil people
wake up & smell the coffee
satan and his legions are on the offensive
they will capture single, straight, gay, married, celibate and turn them into machines of destruction
it matters not
satan doesn’t care
capture, conquer & divide…
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Scott84
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You can’t always blame Satan for all your problems. This isn’t the dark ages, where’s the rational thinking? Have you ever stopped to think that maybe it’s because of bad policy that people resort to this sort of behavior? Granted abuse is everywhere, from the Boy Scouts, to Hollywood, to Capital Hill, to Schools. But within the Church this seems especially apparent. Heck, the Bishop in my archdiocese has now been accused of being a child sex abuser. The rabbit hole clearly runs very deep here!
You mean to tell me this has only been a problem within the Church in recent years and that it never existed prior to the 20th century? You have little understanding of human nature if you think so. This is just the tip of the iceberg, mark my words more shoes will drop, and then what will you do? Just keep blaming Satan for all these problems, or will you actually hold the Church and its members, and its policies accountable?
A reason this filth is all now coming to light is because, A.) It’s a lot harder to get away with this in the modern era. B.) The problem has become so widespread it’s become this large cancerous tumor that can no longer remain hidden.
Until you get to the root cause of all the problems you’re never going to stamp it out.
You mean to tell me this has only been a problem within the Church in recent years and that it never existed prior to the 20th century? You have little understanding of human nature if you think so. This is just the tip of the iceberg, mark my words more shoes will drop, and then what will you do? Just keep blaming Satan for all these problems, or will you actually hold the Church and its members, and its policies accountable?
A reason this filth is all now coming to light is because, A.) It’s a lot harder to get away with this in the modern era. B.) The problem has become so widespread it’s become this large cancerous tumor that can no longer remain hidden.
Until you get to the root cause of all the problems you’re never going to stamp it out.
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Bon_Croix
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The church has enemies.
People make false allegations.
People make false allegations.
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Bon_Croix
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What do you find easier to believe?
The church is full of pedophiles or people made false allegations?
The church is full of pedophiles or people made false allegations?
The thing is if the church is full of pedophiles (and whatever the word is for attraction towards teenagers) question is why? Did a bunch of NAMBLA pedophiles team up together and say hey let’s destroy the Catholic church and become priests? Was it because of being a priest gives you if it does easy accessibility to small children (if it does)?
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giuseppe96
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Everyone, this calls for a serious crusade of fasting and prayer on our part. I’ve started the 54-day rosary novena, and encourage all of you to do the same. This is a crisis possibly bigger than the 2001 scandal.
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on_the_hill
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I don’t understand why people are so afraid of ending RC priest celibacy.
So many other religions, including churches and rites in full communion with Rome, have married priests. Somehow they are able to avoid all the obstacles that people say come with married priests. Certainly, people aren’t saying that the Latin Rite is superior to her equal sister rites because our priests are celibate.
I can only chalk it up to fear of change.
So many other religions, including churches and rites in full communion with Rome, have married priests. Somehow they are able to avoid all the obstacles that people say come with married priests. Certainly, people aren’t saying that the Latin Rite is superior to her equal sister rites because our priests are celibate.
I can only chalk it up to fear of change.
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on_the_hill
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So what’s the solution? More prayer? More fasting? Wishing it away? Thinking really hard? These things do. not. work. Period.
Concluding that we’ll just have to try harder is not a solution.
Reminds me of an old joke about the Soviet Union. Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, and Brezhnev are riding on a train when it suddenly comes to a stop.
After a long while of waiting for it to get started, Lenin says, “Comrades! Allow me to go and talk to the engineer. I will inspire him to get the train moving again.”
Stalin stands up and says, “No, comrade. I’ll walk to the front of the train and shoot the engineer. That will get the train moving!”
Khrushchev says, “That will not work. Let’s take the track the train already rolled over, place it in front of the train, and it will roll over the track once again.”
Brezhnev looks up from his seat and says, “Comrades. Let us simply pull the window shades down and shake like we’re moving.”
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Theo2
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The issue in the US of abuse not being reported has, IMO, largely been solved. So you will hear when priest offend. Get used to in until the abuse stops. The new issue that the Pennsylvania report brought forth was the wide spread cover up and the fact the problem was/is greater that we have been lead to believe. That will and is being dealt with. Almost all the Bishops, IMO, were acting out of the same playbook. We have to keep these things secret because the faithful will not be able to deal with it. They were wrong to keep it secret. Whether people can deal with it, we shall see.
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leroy.garrett
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No one claims it is only gay priests…only 80% of the cases are. So, seeing one of the the 1 out of 5 cases doesn’t really mean anything. It’s like arguing for/against global warming because it is a hot/cold day outside.
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TheOldColonel
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There’s no choice but for church leaders to face the truth.
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feed_me
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Maybe some of these priest had a call to the priesthood.
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therese1998
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What research has found is that those who are abused make up a larger percentage of abusers than those who were not abused. That does not necessarily mean that all who were abused have urges to abuse others.
We need to be very careful to not discriminate against or make general statements (all abusers …) about individuals who have been abused that way.
Far less people abuse than have been abused.
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Theo520
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Sincerely, how would it end “clericalism”?
I would add that a married priest might minister better to families in his flock, having a better understanding of family challenges.
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jfz178
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As any long time married man will tell you, there is an element of celibacy in marriage. If you go into marriage thinking all your sexual desires are going to be taken care of for life, you’re dreaming. And that is as it should be.
Sex abusers are generally sexual predators. Sexual predation is more about control than sex. Predators will still abuse even if they are married.
I don’t think we should get in the mindset of, “How can we give potential abusers what they want so they don’t abuse?” Why should we give a damn what they want? They are criminal perverts, not men struggling with celibacy. There is enough opportunity for priests, if they want to violate their vows, to find consenting adults to do it with, although I’m certainly not recommending or supporting that. I’m just saying that preying on children goes beyond lust, beyond sexual identity, etc. It is crossing a line no one should ever cross. There has to be a really hot place in Hell for them, if they don’t repent.
Sex abusers are generally sexual predators. Sexual predation is more about control than sex. Predators will still abuse even if they are married.
I don’t think we should get in the mindset of, “How can we give potential abusers what they want so they don’t abuse?” Why should we give a damn what they want? They are criminal perverts, not men struggling with celibacy. There is enough opportunity for priests, if they want to violate their vows, to find consenting adults to do it with, although I’m certainly not recommending or supporting that. I’m just saying that preying on children goes beyond lust, beyond sexual identity, etc. It is crossing a line no one should ever cross. There has to be a really hot place in Hell for them, if they don’t repent.
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Bruised_Reed
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You are wrong and what you are saying re-traumatizes victims and can make children more vulnerable to predators. You are repeating a
decades old fallacy. Show me stats that support your claim. By the way, 1 out 4 girls and one out of 6 boys will become victims. Look at your friends and family and count every 6th one. Look at them all. Do you really think most victims become predators?
http://malesurvivorstrust.org.uk/myths.htm
Again, I didn’t say it was.
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brian_custer
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i am “blaming” certain humans to do “evil things” under satan’s influence
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