Pentagon Study: Low Risk to Ending 'Don't Ask'

[estesbob]

Just visit the Folsom Street Fair site Rich. You are missing the point by a mile. Sex acts in public? You just don’t want to face it.

Already, a relative of mine had an encounter with a cashier at a store. A bulky man with a wig, makeup and heels. Oh yeah, Rich. You focus on “serving the country” and you miss the “Gay Day” coming up at your local Army base. Fantasy on my part? Just go to the Disney web site for their version of Gay Day. Or you can check out the various meet my gay married partner days at Massachusetts public schools.

Respectfully, you have blinders on and imagine a fantasy version of serving openly.

Peace,
Ed

Again those who equate homosexual behavior as nothing more than another civil rights issue do so only by ignoring the behavior. Those who engage in homosexual behavior have always served in the military. The military attempted to accommodate them by saying they would not make an issue about such behavior as long as they kept it private. So one must ask just exactly what is it that those who engage in homosexual behavior are asking for now other than the right to publicly flaunt this behavior?

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Respectfully, you have blinders on and imagine a fantasy version of serving openly.

Ask Stanmaxkolbe about “Gay Day” in the Army.

A homosexual in uniform can do his duty just as well as a heterosexual can, even if he has a rainbow flash on his shoulder. I’ve served with homosexuals who weren’t all that discreet about it, and we never had any trouble with them, not from them as NCOs or as officers.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Again those who equate homosexual behavior as nothing more than another civil rights issue do so only by ignoring the behavior.

So one must ask just exactly what is it that those who engage in homosexual behavior are asking for now other than the right to publicly flaunt this behavior?

I’ve never seen nor heard of a homosexual in uniform performing “homosexual behaviors” while on duty, and I’ve read nothing about any asking for the right to sodomize one another while in uniform on duty.

 

[Ridgerunner]

They are generally irreconcilable, from my observation.

You’re referring to irreconcilability between modern liberalism and the Church.

There’s some truth to that, it seems, inasmuch as most (but undoubtedly not all) liberals appear to support immoral things (from the Church’s standpoint) like abortion, fetal stem cell research, homosexual "marriage’ and overtly scandalous behavior.

But it isn’t necessarily universally so. What does seem irreconcilable with the Church is the relativism that is so pervasive in society presently. If abortion on demand is acceptable to most, then fine. If parading homosexual relationships in front of young people is acceptable to most, then fine. If infanticide is acceptable to most, then fine. If euthanasia is acceptable to most, then fine. If gassing Jews is acceptable to most…

 

[Orleans_Attny]

I might mention as well that if what you say is true, then all the “tragedy anecdotes” of this or that homosexual who was drummed out of the service because his/her homosexuality became known, are simply bogus.

There is a difference that’s getting lost in this discussion. A service member can receive an administrative discharge or a punitive discharge. An administrative discharge might be at the government’s convenience, for medical reasons, for misconduct, for hardship, . . . . all sorts of reasons.

Punitive discharges are punishments for criminal acts, and they are a possible part of a punishment after a guilty verdict at a court-martial.

Separation for homosexuality is an administrative separation. Basically, the military is firing a service member for being incompatible with continued military service. Typically these service members receive an honorable discharge for their service.

While we’re on the subject, there are 7 types of discharges:

Administrative Discharges:
Entry Separation (within first 6 months) (enlisted only, I think)
Honorable
General (under honorable conditions)
Other than Honorable

Punitive Discharges:
Bad-conduct Discharge (enlisted only)
Dishonorable Discharge (enlisted only)
Dismissal (only for officers)

Pax,
OA