Pentecost and Veni Sancte Spiritus

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I went to the vigil Mass tonight for Pentecost, and before the Gospel, Veni Sancte Spiritus was sung. When I checked in the Missal, the text above said that the prayer/chant was to be said before the Gospel on Pentecost according to the GIRM. Not many of the parishes I have attended have done this. Was the prayer sung at the Mass you went to?? Does anyone know the origins of the Golden Sequence or where I can find it in the GIRM??? Thanks and God Bless.
 
Nope…we skipped it at this morning’s Mass.

Sorry that I can’t help you with your other questions.

Joe
 
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slinky1882:
Hey,
I went to the vigil Mass tonight for Pentecost, and before the Gospel, Veni Sancte Spiritus was sung. When I checked in the Missal, the text above said that the prayer/chant was to be said before the Gospel on Pentecost according to the GIRM. Not many of the parishes I have attended have done this. Was the prayer sung at the Mass you went to?? Does anyone know the origins of the Golden Sequence or where I can find it in the GIRM??? Thanks and God Bless.
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OK, in the tridentine era, there was sung before the gospel a short chant called the gradual, in the current liturgy it has become even shorter and is known as the gospel acclamation. We sing alleluia, alleluia, followed by a short biblical verse. On solemn occasions in the Tridentine era, there was a longer chant sung called the sequence. In the first 200 years after Trent, almost every sunday had a sequence, along with requiem masses; the natorius Dies irae, as well as some feasts and solemnities. Vatican II supressed the sequence to an option only on certain days: Pentecost and Our Lady of Sorrows. They are the only two days I know that still have the option. I think Easter does too, but I’m not certain. Maybe someone else can add more.
 
We skipped it too. Such a pity. It is a most wonderful sequence.
 
Well,

If you want to sing it to MIDI organ music, here’s the sheet music to read along with and the organ music in the background. Open two windows and have some good ole Pentecost fun.

Rich
 
We did have the sequence at the 11:00 am mass. We also had 9 altar servers, a total of 20 candles on the altar and the usual six hanging above. All in all, a rather splendid Pentecost.
 
Our music person went straight to the Gospel Acclimation after the second reading and I was sure that we were skipping the Sequence. But Father caught it. He read it though, rather than chanted it, but it was lovely.
 
Yes, the choir sang a version of the song (Latin background, with the “main singing” in English)–it was quite nice. I am (finally) attending a parish that I like. It is one of the historic churches here that has not been sold to make condos or totally denuded of Catholic iconography. The liturgy generally follows the missale romanum VERY closely, with the occasional inclusive language thrown in. Once a month there is a novus ordo Latin mass. Overall, I can’t ask for much more. It’s too only too bad that I have to travel to one of the historic/tourist churches to get a decent mass. If only all parishes just followed the directions…
 
Wow! I’ve commented a few times on some of the things my parish does that aren’t quite according to the GIRM and that we are a lot more liberal than I would like, but hey, we DID sing the Sequence this morning! We didn’t sing it in Latin, but I’m just thankful we didn’t skip it! Kudos to my pastor this morning!
 
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OK, in the tridentine era, there was sung before the gospel a short chant called the gradual, in the current liturgy it has become even shorter and is known as the gospel acclamation. We sing alleluia, alleluia, followed by a short biblical verse. On solemn occasions in the Tridentine era, there was a longer chant sung called the sequence. In the first 200 years after Trent, almost every sunday had a sequence, along with requiem masses; the natorius Dies irae, as well as some feasts and solemnities. Vatican II supressed the sequence to an option only on certain days: Pentecost and Our Lady of Sorrows. They are the only two days I know that still have the option. I think Easter does too, but I’m not certain. Maybe someone else can add more.
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The Sequences for Easter Sunday (Victimae Paschali) and Pentecost (Veni Sancte Spiritus) are REQUIRED.

The Sequences for Corpus Christi (Lauda Sion), Our Lady of Sorrows (Stabat Mater), All Soul’s Day/Funerals, and the days during the week before Christ the King (Dies Irae) are OPTIONAL.

I have yet to go to a parish where this is understood- even the most orthodox parish in my town left out the Easter Sunday Sequence and the Pentecost Sequence. I can understand leaving out the optional sequences are left out, if the cantor is tone deaf, but all of those were written for a reason, and they were incorporated into the liturgy for a reason. What’s so hard about just doing what the liturgical books say you can/must do, and not doing what there is no mention of at all?
 
As long as I was a member of the cathedral choir we sang all sequences. I loved Pentecost because we got to chant the Veni Creator as a sequence and then got to sing the Taize version at Communion. I love the Lauda Sion or Golden Sequence as well.
 
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As long as I was a member of the cathedral choir we sang all sequences. I loved Pentecost because we got to chant the Veni Creator as a sequence and then got to sing the Taize version at Communion. I love the Lauda Sion or Golden Sequence as well.
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What are these Sequences really for, and why are they called ‘Sequences’? Our cantor explained the one today to us - kind of - she talked about how it was to ‘call down the Holy Spirit’, but that didn’t really explain it. Don’t we always ask for the power of the Holy Spirit to be with us?
 
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Elzee:
What are these Sequences really for, and why are they called ‘Sequences’? Our cantor explained the one today to us - kind of - she talked about how it was to ‘call down the Holy Spirit’, but that didn’t really explain it. Don’t we always ask for the power of the Holy Spirit to be with us?
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Try this link for the old Catholic Encyclopedia:

newadvent.org/cathen/12481d.htm
 
I chanted the sequence for Pentecost at today’s Mass in the traditional Latin Gregorian tone.

I’ll be doing so again on Corpus Christi (Lauda Sion, although just the short version), and Stabat Mater on Our Lady of Sorrows. I didn’t get to do Easter (Victimae Paschali Laudes).
 
It was included at out 12:00 Mass today. The choir sang “Veni Sancte Spiritus” in the background, and lead cantors sung (or recited) the various verses. I am grateful that the Sequence was included, but it was performed rather bizarrely. Furthermore, the verses that were sung and recited did not match those in the Missalettes, and a few lines were skipped altogether!
 
Now I’m wondering if our parish did this right…we sang a song but that is it - no verses? Did we miss something? We sang the song ‘Come Holy Spirit’ right before the Gospel. (Song 202 in the OCP song book/missalette).
 
A lot of parishes will sing some sort of hymn based upon the Sequence which might not be a direct or complete translation. Sort of like “Holy God We Praise Thy Name” tends to take the place of the Te Deum.
 
We had the bishop at our parish to celebrate Confirmation. The mass itself lasted over 2 1/2 hours. We had many prayers during this Pentecost Sunday so we skipped the Sequence. It was a powerful occasion
 
We sang the Sequence at my parish (and we did on Easter, too). I LOVE the Sequence and look forward to it.

'thann
 
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