Pentecostal Oneness and Gospel of Matthew

[jodust]

I have a friend at work that is Pentecostal (UPCI) He believes in Oneness, No Trinity.
Baptize in the name of Jesus Christ.
Doesn’t believe in Matthew 28:19.
Claims that the Catholic Church at the first ecumenical Counsel in Nicea 325 AD changed the gospel of Matthew to support Trinatarianism. The main culprit of this was Constantine.
Claims one of the early Popes said he was created as god was created.
Claims all early popes designed there own torture tools
Claims that the first translation of the bible in English the translator had his head bashed in because it didn’t reflect catholic views.
Ok now will all that said. LOL. I need Literature. Especially on the Counsel of Nicea in 325.
I would love any and all (name removed by moderator)ut.
However, if I could get Historical literature in print or online to help repudiate these claims about the Counsel.
All these topics above are open for “Civil” discussion. But I am particularly interested in Nicea.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Its funny how Constantine is always blamed for so many “heresies” in the Catholic Church. He must be some theological genius

 

[po18guy]

Never mind his “proof”, ask for evidence. Any evidence. And, his pastor, or some book written by some dude is neither evidence nor proof. I note with some interest that he still goes by some parts of the ‘falsified’ Catholic bible that he personally agrees with. How can he trust any of it then?

I see that his peculiar beliefs go all the way back to, um, 1914. That’s quite some history. It seems that the evil Catholic Church even fooled the apparently dim-witted reformers for almost 400 years! Pretty slick, huh?

Seriously, he is horribly mislead by well-intentioned people who do not confess Christ as He is, but as they make Him out to be. The antidote is prayer to the Holy Spirit to enlighten him.

 

[guanophore]

I have a friend at work that is Pentecostal (UPCI) He believes in Oneness, No Trinity.
Baptize in the name of Jesus Christ.
Doesn’t believe in Matthew 28:19.
Claims that the Catholic Church at the first ecumenical Counsel in Nicea 325 AD changed the gospel of Matthew to support Trinatarianism. The main culprit of this was Constantine.
Claims one of the early Popes said he was created as god was created.
Claims all early popes designed there own torture tools
Claims that the first translation of the bible in English the translator had his head bashed in because it didn’t reflect catholic views.
Ok now will all that said. LOL. I need Literature. Especially on the Counsel of Nicea in 325.
I would love any and all (name removed by moderator)ut.
However, if I could get Historical literature in print or online to help repudiate these claims about the Counsel.
All these topics above are open for “Civil” discussion. But I am particularly interested in Nicea.

I am not at all sure that any “civil discussion” could be held with someone who beleived such balderdash.

But, you are going about this from the wrong direction. Instead of setting about in search of literature to refute there errors, the onus is upon the person making the assertions to prove them. Your partner in “civil discussion” needs to produce this literature.

It is impossible to prove a negative. You will not be able to find literature to disprove so many claims and "events’ that did not take place and don’t exist.

Rather than fool with such fallacies, I suggest you spend your time in the libary here reading up on the facts.

 

[Saburo]

Claims that the first translation of the bible in English the translator had his head bashed in because it didn’t reflect catholic views.

That’s what happens when Dan Brown and Oliver Stone get sloppy drunk and decide to invent a religion together. :hypno:

 

[jodust]

Thanks for the Replies. I know the claims he is spouting is some pretty radical stuff. I was just wondering if anybody maybe, knew of a book that had researched these claims. Maybe this was a dumb thread to start. He is quit entertaining to listen to though. Maybe I should go to a UPCI forum and re post this thread.

 

[rainman10]

It is good advice to have him show you his proof. Don’t knock yourself out trying to dispute what he is saying, it is true, you cannot prove a negative.

A couple of years back I had a long discussion with a pentecostal pastor who was making some similar wild claims. I asked him to show me his proof of where he got his information from and he never did. He just kept making more nonsensical claims. I knew he was using claims from Lorraine Boettner as his source,which he found himself or were passed on to him as fact. He never bothered to check out Boettner’s “facts” though, he just used them as scare tactics to lure poorly catecized Catholics away from the Church. I attended his church for a while and in one of his sermons he made the comment that Catholics believe that the Pope is a direct descendant of Jesus Christ, or something to that effect, I forgot his exact quote. Anyway, I asked him for proof and of course he had none. He seemed surprised that anyone would even ask him to prove what he had said.

So don’t let your friend get away with making these silly statements without making him show you proof. Most of the time these people are just repeating what they heard from someone else and they take it as fact. Even their preachers do that, just passing on what they have heard, but never bothering to research it.

 

[po18guy]

Thanks for the Replies. I know the claims he is spouting is some pretty radical stuff. I was just wondering if anybody maybe, knew of a book that had researched these claims. Maybe this was a dumb thread to start. He is quit entertaining to listen to though. Maybe I should go to a UPCI forum and re post this thread.

Ask him: Who Jesus was talking about in John 5:37, when He said “And the Father himself who hath sent me, hath given testimony of me: neither have you heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.” Ask him to Whom Jesus was praying to when He went to lonely places and prayed (Mark 1:35, Luke 11:1)? To Whom was He praying in the garden at Gethsemane (Matthew 26:39,42,44) when He prayed “My Father, if it be possible, let this chalice pass from me. Nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt”? Himself?

Honestly, it sounds like his savior has multiple personality disorder.