Pentecostal women not allowed to wear pants?

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Under what bizarre circumstances could a reasonable skirt be less safe or sanitary in an OR or fast food environment? I have a considerable career in fast food and I’ve never seen anyone prepare food using any part of their body below the waist. We’re not talking a “Gone With the Wind” style hoop skirt for crying out loud. What’s the difference between a skirt and an apron as far as sanitation goes? Are you sure you aren’t just a little bit prejudiced here?
A scrub just below the knee is fine something that is ankle length and loose enough for a full stride is not something I’d like to see on my surgeon. I also see it as unsafe and unsanitary in a food environment, I’d also include those weird pants with legs as wide as a skirt. I work in food service now and we are not allowed to wear skirts because of the low hot carts we use, also not allowed to wear “loose flowing clothing”.🤷
 
It really aggravates me that some people think that Pentecostalism is synonymous with women in tacky denim skirts and their hair all done up in a bun. And then that becomes “Pentecostals oppress women” even though we don’t. 🤷
“we” is a very interesting word to use here.

Where I live, there are no less then 10 Pentecostal churches with a 15 mile range.
All have varying rules and procedures, and yes…at least one restricts women in such a way as to appear to oppress.
 
I also see it as unsafe and unsanitary in a food environment, I’d also include those weird pants with legs as wide as a skirt. :
You may see it that way, but that doesn’t mean that it is that way. The question was ‘how’? How is a reasonably fitted skirt dangerous around a “low hot cart”? I’ve never worked in a kitchen that had a heat element that was lower than the waist. The lowest I can think of is a fryer, and I can’t even imagine a scenario where a skirt could get into it. The person would have to be wearing a huge billowing skirt with petticoats and dancing around like Taco Bell:the Musical, in order to make it happen. The skirt my coworker wore was a black, pencil cut skirt, out of the same flame-retardent material that the work pants were made from.
 
“we” is a very interesting word to use here.

Where I live, there are no less then 10 Pentecostal churches with a 15 mile range.
All have varying rules and procedures, and yes…at least one restricts women in such a way as to appear to oppress.
Yes, “we.” Pentecostals in general do not “oppress women.” On the contrary, throughout our history “we” have given extraordinary liberty to women to fulfill the call of God on their lives.

Even churches who apply “holiness standards” in a legalistic way don’t “oppress” women. I agree that they focus too much on issues of dress and cosmetics. But their standards are not that different from what was expected of women a hundred years ago. These women work outside the home, they have freedom to minister in the church and they are not taught that they are second class citizens or that it’s ok for men to abuse them. Yes, many of them are legalistic and they don’t seem to realize that they are judging people’s holiness based on outward appearance, but they are not the Taliban.

The fact that there is more than one Pentecostal church is irrelevant. It is a recognizable movement with a shared history and a shared doctrinal emphasis and many of the same worship practices. So, yes, because I am a Pentecostal Christian and I am knowledgeable about the movement, I can say that “we” do not oppress women. On the contrary, we believe that in the last days God is pouring out his Spirit on all flesh.
 
Some Pentecostals take the bible text ‘don’t wear clothing that belongs to the opposite sex’ to mean that any clothing article first generated for the male for example,… is not available then for the female to wear, ie jeans if they were invented for men and men wore them, then they are not for women.

In other words women dress as women and men as men. Dont mix the two. See.
they decide who first wore what.

However, in ancient india, women wore pant like long pants beneath skirts before men did there, before north america.
 
A scrub just below the knee is fine something that is ankle length and loose enough for a full stride is not something I’d like to see on my surgeon. I also see it as unsafe and unsanitary in a food environment, I’d also include those weird pants with legs as wide as a skirt. I work in food service now and we are not allowed to wear skirts because of the low hot carts we use, also not allowed to wear “loose flowing clothing”.🤷
That is because they don’t want you to catch fire. I once worked in food service and am familiar with such things.

I will explain to you about scrubs, but if you don’s want to be educated, that is your problem. Scrubs are made of bacterial resistant material and are especially laundered to retard the growth of bacteria. One does not operate in scrubs alone–they all wear a sterile gown over the scrubs. Scrubs are worn to reduce the number of bacteria introduced into the OR and PACU environment. No hospital will permit surgeons to operate in street clothes under the sterile gown. All must wear scrubs, and up until very recently, females wore scrub dresses. But in the operating room itself, at the operating table, all personnel wear sterile gowns over their scrubs, and the gowns are long. So if you need an operation you will get a surgeon with scrubs–either pants or a dress- and sterile long gown over them–or you don’t have the operation.

Food service is not the medical field.
 
Pentecostals are a diverse lot, you can’t put them all in the same egg basket. They also must be understood separately from “charismatic”.
I had a Pentecostal co-worker who always wore slacks. I don’t think anyone held a gun to her head and forced her, it was a personal choice.
And in this day and age of men and women wearing pants or shorts so low I can spot their butt cracks, it’s a welcome change.
 
Yes, “we.” Pentecostals in general do not “oppress women.” On the contrary, throughout our history “we” have given extraordinary liberty to women to fulfill the call of God on their lives.

Even churches who apply “holiness standards” in a legalistic way don’t “oppress” women. I agree that they focus too much on issues of dress and cosmetics. But their standards are not that different from what was expected of women a hundred years ago. These women work outside the home, they have freedom to minister in the church and they are not taught that they are second class citizens or that it’s ok for men to abuse them. Yes, many of them are legalistic and they don’t seem to realize that they are judging people’s holiness based on outward appearance, but they are not the Taliban.

The fact that there is more than one Pentecostal church is irrelevant. It is a recognizable movement with a shared history and a shared doctrinal emphasis and many of the same worship practices. So, yes, because I am a Pentecostal Christian and I am knowledgeable about the movement, I can say that “we” do not oppress women. On the contrary, we believe that in the last days God is pouring out his Spirit on all flesh.
Didn’t mean to offend you.
I refer to the fact that ‘Pentecostal’ refers to a wide array of churches, with varying beliefs.
One cannot speak for all of them at one time.
 
Didn’t mean to offend you.
I refer to the fact that ‘Pentecostal’ refers to a wide array of churches, with varying beliefs.
One cannot speak for all of them at one time.
Honestly, it does offend me when Catholic posters respond to a Protestant’s post and basically insinuate that nothing they said matters because the movement they belong to is divided between different denominations and they are really just speaking for and about themselves. I even wrote my master’s thesis American Pentecostalism, but hey I guess that wouldn’t matter either since there are an infinity of types out there that not even a lifelong Pentecostal and trained researcher could sort it all out. 🤷

Even though I may not be a member of every single Pentecostal church in the world, there is relatively little that we disagree with about. I’m not a member of the AG, but there is nothing I would object to in their doctrine. Neither would I have any conscientious objections to joining the Church of God (Cleveland), etc.

When it comes to churches that require women or men to dress in a certain way, I would not join that kind of church because from my experience those kinds of regulations easily degenerate into legalism. But I have had family members attend those churches, and I have visited those kinds of churches. In doctrine, there is very little we disagree on, though we have very different perspectives on matters of discipline and daily Christian living. I know on what issues Pentecostals are in agreement and I know what issues Pentecostals fight over between themselves.

I don’t say this out of anger. I just feel that it would help you to understand where I am coming from. I am not trying to paper over differences. I am simply stating what most Pentecostals believe and what I know from lived experience and interaction as well as as through scholarly studies of a movement. I say “we” because this is a movement that I am a part of, and it does grate on me when others try to tell me how I can or cannot relate to a movement.
 
I say “we” because this is a movement that I am a part of, and it does grate on me when others try to tell me how I can or cannot relate to a movement.
Were the movement of one faith and belief…
But that is not the case. My own experience shows me many pentecostal churches with very divergent beliefs.

At least one of which appears oppressive toward women.
 
Were the movement of one faith and belief…
But that is not the case. My own experience shows me many pentecostal churches with very divergent beliefs.
Yes, Pentecostals have different beliefs, but there is still a recognizable thing called “Pentecostalism.” It’s not as if a bunch of people who have nothing in common just made a decision that we’re gonna call ourselves “Pentecostal” to confuse everyone. :rolleyes:
At least one of which appears oppressive toward women.
Well, I don’t believe women wearing skirts and dresses out of conviction is oppression, but that’s just me. Some women think that having to wear a top at the beach when men don’t is oppression. 🤷
 
It really aggravates me that some people think that Pentecostalism is synonymous with women in tacky denim skirts and their hair all done up in a bun. And then that becomes “Pentecostals oppress women” even though we don’t. 🤷
It is most often seen in Apostolic Churches. It’s a denomination that denies the trinity. They are often dubbed, “Jesus only” churches. They believe Jesus IS the father, son, and holy spirit. I went to an apostolic school as a kid. Women also cannot cut their hair, wear make-up or jewelry. They don’t even wear wedding rings. They are also forbidden to own a TV.

They baptize in the name of Jesus and believe if you don’t receive the baptism of the holy spirit (speak in tongues) you aren’t going to heaven.
 
It is most often seen in Apostolic Churches. It’s a denomination that denies the trinity. They are often dubbed, “Jesus only” churches. They believe Jesus IS the father, son, and holy spirit. I went to an apostolic school as a kid. Women also cannot cut their hair, wear make-up or jewelry. They don’t even wear wedding rings. They are also forbidden to own a TV.

They baptize in the name of Jesus and believe if you don’t receive the baptism of the holy spirit (speak in tongues) you aren’t going to heaven.
I know it’s often found in Oneness churches, but there are Oneness churches where these things are not emphasized. Then there are Trinitarian churches that do emphasize them. My great aunt belonged to a Pentecostal church that believed in the Trinity but also believed that women shouldn’t wear make-up or pants.
 
Well, I don’t believe women wearing skirts and dresses out of conviction is oppression, but that’s just me.
No one has said that to be the case.
Some women think that having to wear a top at the beach when men don’t is oppression. 🤷
Earlier, you brought up the topic with the sentence:
“And then that becomes “Pentecostals oppress women” even though we don’t.”
Now when I read this, I took exception to this as I know this not to be the case in a few different pentecostal churches where I live.
And I have also found this to be the case in others in a few different states.

Since you did not limit the mode of this oppression to simply rules of dressing, I did not either.
 
No one has said that to be the case.

Earlier, you brought up the topic with the sentence:
“And then that becomes “Pentecostals oppress women” even though we don’t.”
Now when I read this, I took exception to this as I know this not to be the case in a few different pentecostal churches where I live.
And I have also found this to be the case in others in a few different states.

Since you did not limit the mode of this oppression to simply rules of dressing, I did not either.
Here is what I said:
It really aggravates me that some people think that Pentecostalism is synonymous with women in tacky denim skirts and their hair all done up in a bun. And then that becomes “Pentecostals oppress women” even though we don’t. 🤷
Forgive me, but I fail to see how you can get to “then that becomes ‘Pentecostals oppress women’” without first going over "It really aggravates me that some people think that Pentecostalism is synonymous with women in tacky denim skirts . . . " The entire context of my statement was about women’s dress.

Even so, it’s horrible if any church is oppressing women no matter how it occurs. I’d like to know what kind of oppression you’ve seen in Pentecostal churches?
 
Yes, some Pentecostal churches teach that women should not wear pants. This comes from biblical instructions that women should not wear that which pertains to men and vice verse. Of course, what is appropriate for men and women to wear shifts according to time and place. Jesus never wore pants!

However, please note that most Pentecostals women are perfectly free to wear pants and are not forbidden by their churches. Today, the churches that require women to wear dresses and skirts are somewhat of a throwback.
From reading your posts in this thread, it appears that the decision as to whether women wear pants or makeup, cut their hair, etc. is something that is done at the local church level rather than at the denominational level. Is that correct?
 
From reading your posts in this thread, it appears that the decision as to whether women wear pants or makeup, cut their hair, etc. is something that is done at the local church level rather than at the denominational level. Is that correct?
It’s not as if it is split equally. These days, the vast majority of Pentecostals dress like everyone else. The mainstream denominations like the Assemblies of God and the Church of God (Cleveland) do contain some churches who peach these kinds of codes, but most of their churches don’t. Then there are some Oneness denominations (like the United Pentecostal Church International) who enforce these kinds of codes across their denomination.

For example, this is the Rev. Beth Grant, the first female elected to the Assemblies of God’s Executive Presbytery, speaking at Valley Forge Christian College, an AG college. She’s wearing pants and has short hair.

https://www.vfcc.edu/images/default-source/news/web_david-amp-bethgrant.jpg?sfvrsn=2

And two of the most famous/infamous Pentecostals of recent history

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It’s not as if it is split equally. These days, the vast majority of Pentecostals dress like everyone else. The mainstream denominations like the Assemblies of God and the Church of God (Cleveland) do contain some churches who peach these kinds of codes, but most of their churches don’t. Then there are some Oneness denominations (like the United Pentecostal Church International) who enforce these kinds of codes across their denomination.

For example, this is the Rev. Beth Grant, the first female elected to the Assemblies of God’s Executive Presbytery, speaking at Valley Forge Christian College, an AG college. She’s wearing pants and has short hair.

https://www.vfcc.edu/images/default-source/news/web_david-amp-bethgrant.jpg?sfvrsn=2

And two of the most famous/infamous Pentecostals of recent history

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Ok, there is a large Pentecostal church near where I grew up named “First Pentecostal Church.” Looking at their website I see that they are a UPCI church. I had no idea until today that they were a Oneness Pentecostal church. In any event, I guess that explains why most of my encounters with Pentecostals have been with the denim skirt, no makeup, long hair pulled up into a bun variety.
 
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