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Hisalone
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The pope is infallible in matters of faith and morals when speaking ex cathedra.
This is not biblical.
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This is not biblical.
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tobinatorstark
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For authority to forgive sins. Only God can forgive sins. It is God the Father that forgives sins. Priest excercise the sacrament of reconcillation through God the Father. I would suggest learning facts before you post
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GraceDK
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This is ridiculous.
Renewal… revival. How does petty use of concepts look on a person who claims to follow Christ alone? Is this a joke?
I have heard the word REVIVAL many times in Catholic circles so what’s your point? You know the meaning of the word, no? revival comes from re-vive… an awakening, a coming to life anew where something has been asleep or even dead.
You have been at charismatic catholic conferences yet claim there is not charimatic life in the Catholic Church? You puzzle me. And I will ask you something since you are so learned… what would you call the gifts of healing, knowing peoples hearts, prophesy, visions etc that occured in so many lives of saints?
Will you deny that these things have went on and still go on all over the place. I know more Catholics than I can count who speak in tongues but they need not show it infront of everyone.
The Church in Acts and 1. Corinthians dont resemble the Roman Catholic Church, eh?
Well tell me… where are your authorities in the Evangelical world? Does the absolute chaos in the Evangelical world perhaps resemble the councils in ACTS where Peter and the others spoke with authority in agreement with the Holy Spirit. Where are your councils? When Judas was dead another man was chosen in his place… ever thought of why?
In some Pentecostal churches I have been in there is no “breaking of bread on the first day of the week” like the original church did every sunday/ first day of the week. They only do it once in a while… and believe its a symbol which is a late invention-belief because its certainly not a Biblical belief.
Many places people speak in tongues during the service which was even warned against in Paul’s epistle.
Study early church history and you will find a Church that looked a lot like the synagoge… with liturgy, reading of Scripture, and breaking of bread… not like the show of charismatic gifts and music and a huge screen… like in modern American Pentecostalism.
And I dont have a problem with pentecostalism because I am not a Sola Scriptura person that believes everything that is not written in the Bible is out of place or wrong.
I became a believer when Christ Jesus came to me and let the veil drop from my eyes. He immediately said: “Why do you (all of Christianity) divide yourselves under my Holy Name? I have given my shepherd-staff to Peter”. He also showed me that whoever eats His Flesh shall live by His Strength. This is the Reality in which most evangelicalism has lost faith, in contrast to those who wrote Scripture. And I have felt the power and the transformation of my own soul and body through His Body and Blood…
You may judge me… but if you judge the Truth you judge Christ. The Church has written, preserved and guarded Scripture througout the centuries… you owe some respect.
Are you now willing to give sources or are you another person with a lot of false statements who slanders his brethren on the basis of false and hollow products of subjective imagination?
Yeshua haMesshiah.
Grace.
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We don’t submit ourselves to the Pope. The Pope acts as an earthly shepherd. Why would Christ leave and not let anyone guide his Church?? But I guess you wouldn’t understand because you believe the Bible is the only thing that has authority and not God himself. That is what it sounds like. I am not trying to misinterpret you but this is what I am gathering through your posts
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scriptural support for Infalliblity
John 1:42, Mark 3:16, Matthew 16:18, Matthew 7:24-28, John 21:15-17, Luke 10:16, Luke 22:31-32, Acts 15:28, Matthew 10:2, Matthew 16:19, Mark 5:37, Matthew 17:1, Matthew 26:37, Luke 5:3, Matthew 17:27 and 1 Corinthians 15:5. Can you provide any scriptural support to refute those scripture passages??? I doubt you can
John 1:42, Mark 3:16, Matthew 16:18, Matthew 7:24-28, John 21:15-17, Luke 10:16, Luke 22:31-32, Acts 15:28, Matthew 10:2, Matthew 16:19, Mark 5:37, Matthew 17:1, Matthew 26:37, Luke 5:3, Matthew 17:27 and 1 Corinthians 15:5. Can you provide any scriptural support to refute those scripture passages??? I doubt you can
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Please forgive me if I am speaking inappropriately; I’m a New Kid, and would appreciate correction if need be, but here’s my perspective:
I am a protestant Pentecostal; and based on your o-p, I would counsel against leaving the Catholic Church.
There are a lot of things we got right. In the church I grew up in, the Sunday service was an hour long, the sermon lasted 15-minutes, and might have contained 2 or 3 Bible verses. It’s a wonder we didn’t all starve to death spiritually. Pentecostals could start at Genesis and end up at the maps, take a 10-minute break, and go right back at it again, lol. I loved the music, and I left a lot of tears on a lot of sanctuary floors.
But the whole point of it was a deeper relationship with Christ. Can you pursue that now, perhaps in association with members of the charismatic movement within the Church? Or perhaps take what might be useful from space-cadets like me and use it to enrich your own walk?
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Could you elaborate what I have highlighted in red???
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CHESTERTONRULES
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The bible is part of our tradition. It cannot supercede itself.
You are Kephas, and upon this Kephas I will build my church.
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ez3714
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Oh, certainly. I mentioned one or two in the post…and again, please understand I am contrasting Pentecostalism with the “mainstream” Protestant church of my boyhood, and not with the Catholic church (of which my knowledge is sadly lacking).
In the church I grew up in, we got one or two scriptures, and that was it. In my latter church homes, I often couldn’t take notes fast enough to catch them all. In the former, service was over in time for us to beat the other protestants to the restaurants. In the latter, service was over when we were completely “fed.” (One admonition that sticks with me: “Don’t rush the Holy Spirit.”) In the former, prayer was quiet and structured. In the latter, heartfelt – occasionally tearful, occasionally seasoned with laughter.
Our concept of Communion seems to be somewhat different than that of the Eucharist, so I’m not certain it’s a good idea for me to “go there” at this point. But I will say that my first Communion in a Vineyard Church demanded significant spiritual intimacy…something I was quite unprepared for.
And, of course, there’s the entire issue of “gifts of the Spirit” and tongues; the latter, most often in Protestant Pentecostalism, refers primarily to “prayer language” and not with messages to the church body.
Did I miss anything?
(Oh. We seem to be neighbors. Hello from Ft. Wayne.)
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tobinatorstark
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No, I just wanted to know what you were referring to. Yes we do seem to be neighbors. Do you go to church in Ft. Wayne or near by Harlan??
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Soutane
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Christ
Catholic Church
Teaching Authority or Magisterium
Holy Tradition
Holy Scripture(Which is entirely Holy Tradition(no Bible for the first 300 years until ratified by the Magisterium)
All of the above guarded,protected and guaranteed by the Holy Spirit
All of the above found WITHIN Holy Scripture.
ANY assertion to the contrary is unhistorical,unbiblical,and founded in the heresy of men,and most importantly SILLY.
To say that the Catholic Church is NOT the Church founded by Christ is rooted in anti-Catholic bigoted Constantine Myth or rather Libel spawned by the so-called Reformation, personal fallible biblical misinterpretation and historical revisionism.
The old “my goodness if they’re right that means we’re wrong” syndrome.
Catholic Church
Teaching Authority or Magisterium
Holy Tradition
Holy Scripture(Which is entirely Holy Tradition(no Bible for the first 300 years until ratified by the Magisterium)
All of the above guarded,protected and guaranteed by the Holy Spirit
All of the above found WITHIN Holy Scripture.
ANY assertion to the contrary is unhistorical,unbiblical,and founded in the heresy of men,and most importantly SILLY.
To say that the Catholic Church is NOT the Church founded by Christ is rooted in anti-Catholic bigoted Constantine Myth or rather Libel spawned by the so-called Reformation, personal fallible biblical misinterpretation and historical revisionism.
The old “my goodness if they’re right that means we’re wrong” syndrome.
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ez3714
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Ft. Wayne…the last time I went, lol.
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Hisalone
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I have spoken only truth. Why do you insist on believing what is untrue?
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Hisalone
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Are you kidding me?
All authority has been given to Jesus Christ who defeated sin and death. Jesus said when I leave I will send you another helper, not a pope, A helper.
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Hisalone
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I dont have time to refute point by point because you are so off base. I will take the first one
John 1 1:42
And he brought him to Jesus. Now when Jesus looked at him, He said, “You are Simon the son of Jonah. F9 You shall be called Cephas” (which is translated, A Stone).
Explain how this verse supports infallibility.
Did Jesus change Peters name here or in Matt 16?
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tobinatorstark
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Wrong again. It is translated “rock” not “stone” according to the Greek used. You just don’t want to refute because you know it proves my point.
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tobinatorstark
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The Pope is a helper.Are you kidding me?
All authority has been given to Jesus Christ who defeated sin and death. Jesus said when I leave I will send you another helper, not a pope, A helper.
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tobinatorstark
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I don’t believe the untrue sir.
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Hisalone
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LOL most Pentacostal services Ive been to the praise and worship is more than an hour long. The sermon another hour all in all 21/2- 3 hours long
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