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niceatheist
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The brain is fully capable of simulating sensory (name removed by moderator)ut, which is exactly what dreaming is, so why wouldn’t it be able to do the same in a coma state?
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People can still be conscious after they have ‘died’, researcher says
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runningdude
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“Death” is not a single moment, but a process of various organs failing and shutting, that can be often be interrupted and reversed within reason (of course, once every organ has died and sufficiently degraded, medicine cannot reverse that).
The fact that the brain may still function and interpret some audio or other stimuli when the heart is stopped is not a particularly profound discovery. It has no implications for Christianity.
The fact that the brain may still function and interpret some audio or other stimuli when the heart is stopped is not a particularly profound discovery. It has no implications for Christianity.
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thephilosopher6
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There have been a few isolated cases of dream like brain activity being recorded after cardiac death, but nothing on the large scale, and this kind of brain activity probably wouldn’t cause the kind of subjective experience that is experienced in NDE’s.
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niceatheist
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Why not? Not arguing the states are the same, but the brain, cut off from external stimuli, isn’t just going to stop working, and really without actually monitoring brain activity with sufficient resolution and fidelity, you can’t just declare that in fact some sensory data isnt getting through. That’s why NDEs in and of themselves are pretty hard to study, since you don’t usually have someone who has suffered some severe injury or physiological breakdown sitting in an MRI so you can test the level and location of brain activity.
The point of a dreamlike state is you’ll have either true stimuli or even random firings in other parts of the brain, and the cortical centers will do what they do and attempt to find patterns and coherence. To the person there will be an experience, a series of events, maybe even a sense of narrative, but that does the mean the events being experienced actually happened.
The point of a dreamlike state is you’ll have either true stimuli or even random firings in other parts of the brain, and the cortical centers will do what they do and attempt to find patterns and coherence. To the person there will be an experience, a series of events, maybe even a sense of narrative, but that does the mean the events being experienced actually happened.
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thephilosopher6
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But many NDE’s go beyond dream like states, primarily the kind in this article.
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Hereiam
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I believe it, and find it to point to yet another marriage of science and Church theology, rather than science subverting or disagreeing with Church theology.
In my mind it validates teaching on the Particular Judgment, by allowing man to be perfectly rational at the instance of death, to decide whether to follow Christ or not.
In my mind it validates teaching on the Particular Judgment, by allowing man to be perfectly rational at the instance of death, to decide whether to follow Christ or not.
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Raxus
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I tend to think along similar lines. I mean, we’ll only know for sure when we all eventually step through that door, but still. (I would say, maybe, that I don’t think the soul is “concerned” with the body so much as our earthly bodies and concerns tend to partially blindfold what is apparent to the soul. The saints, in my opinion, are the folks who have managed to remove that blindfold as much as is possible here on earth.)
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