People Died Because Cuomo Put Coronavirus Patients in Nursing Homes

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This is all, sadly, true. But I was answering a question…

At the same time, imagine if those relatives who are unable or unwilling to visit their aging relatives were the ones caring for them? Or if the elderly were lonely in a house because they couldn’t drive and their friends had all died?

And it’s a two-way street. The parents retire to a place far away from their children then complain that they don’t see their grandchildren… Parents who expect to be cared for by adult children who would then have to give up their chance to work and save money for their own retirement… each person has a story, and each story has its heroes and villains, if there is a villain instead of people who are just too stretched to be heroes.

And I have seen the incredible difficulties of people trying to care for parents with Alzheimer’s, who often even become violent.

It’s not an easy issue.
 
Held accountable? Like how?
By now everyone should see choices exist ( but not in hindsight). Medicine is practiced, ( emphasis on practice).
 
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qui_est_ce:
This might be one reason there are so many COVID infections in NY.
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And it could be coupled with the other reason (Trumps downplaying the danger and squandering more than a month before putting a plan in place).
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Or it could be that NYC Health Commissioner Dr. Oxiris Barbot urged people to ride the subways after the initial outbreak.
 
JanR said:
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ProVobis:
Not trying to defend Cuomo or hospitals in general but what’s the purpose of nursing homes anyway?
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To warehouse old people who nobody wants (my personal perception of nursing homes.)
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That is not true. My mother had a stroke in February. She did not want to go to a nursing home, so we kept her at home. My brother took nights, I took days. We both work. It became increasingly difficult to care for her as the effects of the stroke took its toll on her physical and mental health. We looked into getting in-home care, which was unsustainable at $18,000.00 a month - a reasonable $15.00 per hour. After several days, we were able to find a close-by nursing home. It was a god-send. She was clean and comfortable and had wonderful people taking care of her, bathing her, brushing her teeth, turning her over, and spoon-feeding her food and water. They kept her company and comforted when my brother and I were not there. My brother and I were not able to turn her over and do what needed to be done to make her clean and comfortable.
 
I made sure the nursing home was close by and comfortable for visitors. She had visits her every day, grandchildren, friends, etc. The staff was very welcoming and kind.

I also had a friend with Alzheimers in a Medicaid bed at another facility. There is no way she could have been taken care of at home.

My mom died before the shutdown. We were lucky to be able to give my mom a funeral mass with all her friends and family attending at the beginning of March. My friend was not so lucky. She died after the shut-down. I was not allowed to attend her funeral.
 
I’m sorry to hear about your mom. My mother had to go into a nursing home.

It’s a terrible decision to have to make, but I’m not sure what other decision we could make. She had Alzheimer’s and psychosis.
 
You were also very lucky to have found a decent nursing home where the residents really are cared for properly, and the staff well trained. I have seen the other side of the coin, where residents are left lying in their urine and feces, have bed sores, are allowed to fall out of bed and injure themselves, where the staff acts like they’re doing them a favor by addressing their concerns and basic needs, and nobody is present to advocate for them or ensure their rights are protected. And those nursing homes aren’t cheap, either.
 
One simple test when evaluating an assisted living or skilled nursing facility: the smell test. Walk up and down all the hallways and pay attention to what your nose is telling you. Pause outside some of the open doors.

Some facilities are definitely better than others. Facilities that have nothing but Medicare-subsidized residents with no assets don’t fare well and the worst stories usually originate with them.

But sorting that in this time of Covid-19 when visitors aren’t permitted has become more difficult.

Can’t blame Trump for this fiasco because only three states made this policy. That is not to say other states don’t have problems with these facilities. MA, for instance.
 
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You were also very lucky to have found a decent nursing home where the residents really are cared for properly, and the staff well trained. I have seen the other side of the coin, where residents are left lying in their urine and feces, have bed sores, are allowed to fall out of bed and injure themselves, where the staff acts like they’re doing them a favor by addressing their concerns and basic needs, and nobody is present to advocate for them or ensure their rights are protected. And those nursing homes aren’t cheap, either.
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You could say I was lucky, but I physically visited several sites before I made a decision. I asked for recommendations from people in the independent living apartments where she was living. Many residents had to put their spouses in nursing homes after they couldn’t care for them anymore. I got lots of recommendations. I guess we were lucky the we don’t live in a rural area. The rates for the one I chose were competitive.
 
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One simple test when evaluating an assisted living or skilled nursing facility: the smell test. Walk up and down all the hallways and pay attention to what your nose is telling you. Pause outside some of the open doors.

Some facilities are definitely better than others. Facilities that have nothing but Medicare-subsidized residents with no assets don’t fare well and the worst stories usually originate with them.
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Agree. But sometimes it’s just the laundry. They clean the people, but the laundry accumulates. I found this to be true at my friend’s Medicaid facility. It could get smelly in the hall, but she was always clean and taken care of.
 
When our dad was dying of cancer and in the hospital, a representative in charge of the local nursing home visited us to discuss our options. A hospice representative also visited us. I directly and specifically asked the representative from the nursing home if she could guarantee that our dad would be well treated and cared for if we put him in there, and that he wouldn’t be neglected or abused, and she STONEWALLED my question. She wouldn’t answer it. That told me all I needed to know.

We went with hospice, and he got to die in his own home with us present. His pain was well controlled and we were all treated with the utmost respect and caring. I’ll take hospice any day over a nursing home.
 
qui_est_ce said:
Agree. But sometimes it’s just the laundry. They clean the people, but the laundry accumulates. I found this to be true at my friend’s Medicaid facility. It could get smelly in the hall, but she was always clean and taken care of.
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That’s why I said “one” test. I was implying “one of several” but I’ll make that explicit here.

As a contractor, I’ve been in many facilities and can say the bad facilities are really bad. You know as soon as you walk in. That said, there are a lot of decent facilities and some really nice facilities for the deep pocketed few among us. Decent facilities run minimum $4k a month and usually $5k to $7k per month for assisted living. Higher for skilled nursing and memory care. The nicest assisted living facility I’ve ever seen ran around $10k per month. That’s $120k per year, that requires accumulating a few nuts. There aren’t that many top end though; I think that’s because those who can afford it usually pay for home care help.
 
JanR said:
To warehouse old people who nobody wants (my personal perception of nursing homes.)
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Yes, this definitely happens.

However, there are people who go into retirement communities (of their own free will) that have Independent living apartments and really nice amenities and also have Personal and Skilled care facilities on site because (as they have told me) “I don’t want to be a burden on anybody”.

Often these are very independent people who like having a safety net if and when they decline.
And in a sense, its easier to be cared for by strangers than by family, especially if there have been difficult family dynamics in the past.
 
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JanR:
To warehouse old people who nobody wants (my personal perception of nursing homes.)
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Yes, this definitely happens.

However, there are people who go into retirement communities (of their own free will) that have Independent living apartments and really nice amenities and also have Personal and Skilled care facilities on site because (as they have told me) “I don’t want to be a burden on anybody”.

Often these are very independent people who like having a safety net if and when they decline.
And in a sense, its easier to be cared for by strangers than by family, especially if there have been difficult family dynamics in the past.
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These are also for more well to do people. Individuals of modest means are not able to move into nicer facilities.
 
dscath said:
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JonNC:
How do you know what Trump was doing in background?
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Whatever he’s doing, I’m not gullible enough to use his campaign committee website as proof of what he is doing!
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Got it. It’s the source that matters.
Please, then, do not reference NYT, WAPO, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, etc, as they are all part of a pro-DNC media.
 
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