People please help me with this one before I go insane

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Thanks Mystic…are you sure we had a run in threads ago? you seem awfully kind and patient…😃
It was the Exorcism thread where you didn’t believe anyone could cast out demons but priests of the Catholic Church, whereas I do it as a protestant. But, the good thing is that you don’t remember it 😉 . I always knew your heart was in the right place regardless 🙂 Even if you did think I was a weirdo 😛

I apologize for now derailing your thread :o

Peace…

MW
 
It was the Exorcism thread where you didn’t believe anyone could cast out demons but priests of the Catholic Church, whereas I do it as a protestant. But, the good thing is that you don’t remember it 😉 . I always knew your heart was in the right place regardless 🙂 Even if you did think I was a weirdo 😛

I apologize for now derailing your thread :o

Peace…

MW
awww…:hug1:
 
Ask her to read,

1 John 4:20
If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.

Then point her to,

1 John 1:8-10 (New International Version)

8If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

In love, point her to repentance.

Follow up with Gal 5, walking in the Spirit.

And, as for yourself stop viloating Titus 3:9
 
Oh but she is dead in her heart. If she should realize the truth from where she came, she’d be alive once again.
You asked at the beginning of this thread for help before insanity set in. Many people have been kind to you and given you a lot of good advice on how to handle the situation. You are taking none of the advice given. I would suggest you talk to your analyst about your control issues.
 
You asked at the beginning of this thread for help before insanity set in. Many people have been kind to you and given you a lot of good advice on how to handle the situation. You are taking none of the advice given. I would suggest you talk to your analyst about your control issues.
Huh???:confused:
 
And what do you think the means are that Christ has chosen to make that sacrifice of His apparent to us and applicable to us? We’re human, we need cues and signs that are apparent to the senses to reassure us of His presence and to anifest His sacraments.
WE, nor anyone else needs “cues and signs” as you say. The Bible plainly teaches that Jesus is with us if WE are His.
Why do you think He commands the Apostles to do such things as celebrate the Eucharist, baptise people and so forth? For that matter, why are you presuming that ‘whosoever sins you forgive they are forgiven’ doesn’t mean exactly that? Why presume only a limited ability to forgive when He places no such limit upon it?
First, because He commanded them to do so and to teach His followers to do the same; very simple (Matt 28:18-20). Second, Jesus forgives through His blood. I cannot “wash away your sins” no more than I can give my child a bath and it stay clean forever. Jesus’ power washes away sin by obedience to His Word…“Hebrews 9:22 says, “Without shedding of blood there is no remission.” I John 1:7 tells us that “The blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin.” God, in choosing the cleansing agent for our sins, chose the very best that He had, the blood of His own Son. It is by the precious blood of our Lord, that we are cleansed from all of our sins. Revelation 1:5 says, “To Him who loved us, and washed us from our sins in His own blood.” Yes, it is only by the blood of our Lord, that we get our sins washed away. John 19:34, “But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.” Jesus shed His blood for us, in His death, when He died on the cruel cross of Calvary.”

bible.ca/interactive/salvation-15-contacting-blood-christ.htm

“How do we come into contact with that cleansing blood, which our Lord shed in his death, in order to have our sins washed away? Romans 6:3 tells us how. “Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?” Since Christ shed His blood in His death, when a person is baptized into our Lord’s death, it is there that he comes into contact with the blood of Christ and his sins are then washed away. Baptism is the only means of reaching His death where His blood was shed, so we can have forgiveness of sins. So, when Ananias told Paul in Acts 22:16, “And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized and wash away your sins,” it was the blood of Christ that washed away Paul’s sins when he was baptized.”
More importantly, how on earth do you explain their power to RETAIN sins? How could any man dare to say to another that they are unforgiven unless they are empowered to speak in God’s name from Whom forgiveness comes?
Good question; the answer is - because Jesus said THEY could, not us. You see, Jesus told us to “love one another, as I have first loved you!” We can forgive someone of a wrong, but it is Christ reigning in our lives who spurs us on to good works and “forgiving those who trespass against US”.
Do you truly think that Christ was only making the completely bleeding obvious and tautological statement that when we forgive people’s sins we forgive them and when we don’t we don’t? That is precisely what you’ve reduced this important commision to.
Tough question; but we don’t “cover” those sins as some people think men can by repetitive sayings, prayers, while wrapped in fine linens and titles. Only His Blood can do that.
Knowing as we do, however, that He was in fact speaking of extending GOD’S forgiveness to men through the Apostles, why then did He limit the power to forgive sins in His name to His Apostles only, and not all His disciples? Only makes sense if it’s because He had chosen to use them as a visible and limited priesthood through which to make Himself available to us, just as the Jews had their Aaronic priests?
bible.ca/cath-apostolic-succession.htm#only

“We have already shown that the apostles were the only ones who were to receive the power from on high and were to wait in Jerusalem for it (Luke 24:49; Acts 1:4,8). This power enabled them to speak in tongues, prophesy, and work miracles (Acts 2:4,43). Also, it gave them the ability to transmit the Holy Spirit by laying their hands on others. New Testament prophets were made in this manner and they also could speak in tongues, prophesy, and work miracles, but could not pass the power to others (Acts 8:4-6, 14-19). The apostles and prophets, and they alone, were the chosen ambassadors of Christ through which we are reconciled to God (2 Cor. 5:20). They were chosen to reveal God’s will to mankind (Eph. 3:5). We are to receive their word as the word of God (1 Thess. 2:13; 1 John 4:6). They are the foundation on which we are built (Eph. 2:20). They were selected to deliver “the faith” to mankind and it has once and for all been delivered (Jude 3). Their message has the promise of God to remain forever (1 Pet. 1:23-25).”
If the Apostles were priests because people around them needed such, why would you say there is no need for priests NOW? What makes us different from the Christians of Apostolic times in that they needed priests and we don’t?
Because, as Christians, we are ALL PRIESTS: “You, however, are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people; that you may proclaim the perfections of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.” (1 Pet. 2:9)" 👍
 
Good question; the answer is - because Jesus said THEY could, not us. You see, Jesus told us to “love one another, as I have first loved you!” We can forgive someone of a wrong, but it is Christ reigning in our lives who spurs us on to good works and “forgiving those who trespass against US”.

Tough question; but we don’t “cover” those sins as some people think men can by repetitive sayings, prayers, while wrapped in fine linens and titles. Only His Blood can do that.
Jesus ALSO told those very same Apostles to ‘love one another as I have loved you’, remember, just like all of us are supposed to. Love is not incompatible with acting, in God’s name and with His authority, to forgive and retain sins, and I don’t know why you think it is. Again, why do you insist on turning Christ’s commission to His Apostles into a mere restatement of the totally obvious fact that if we forgive people, they’re forgiven and if we don’t, they’re not???

And what on earth makes you think that power was only for them? What possible reason would Christ have to give it ONLY to them? Did he tell only the Apostles to baptise people? We don’t believe He did. Yet they were the only ones there when He said to! Did He tell only them to celebrate the Eucharist? They were the only ones there, to be sure, yet we still believe that His saying wasn’t just for them alone.
Because, as Christians, we are ALL PRIESTS: “You, however, are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people; that you may proclaim the perfections of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.” (1 Pet. 2:9)" 👍
Really? Notice Paul wasn’t the first to say that about all being priests, though? He’s quoting the Psalms, where David said precisely the same of the people of Israel. In spite of their all being priests in a fashion, God still required the Aaronic priesthood to mediate between Himself and His people in the OT. So do we! 👍
 
Really? Notice Paul wasn’t the first to say that about all being priests, though? He’s quoting the Psalms, where David said precisely the same of the people of Israel. In spite of their all being priests in a fashion, God still required the Aaronic priesthood to mediate between Himself and His people in the OT. So do we! 👍
This priesthood you speak of no longer exists. It was for Israel, not Christians. Jesus is now our High Priest and He is, was, and ever shall be The Sacrifice once and for all. No other priests are needed in that case. I do not deliver up my sins to be forgiven of a man on earth who calls himself a priest. Only Jesus can “wash away my sins”. Not someone telling me to go and make repetitive prayers, and rosaries, etc. 🤷
 
This priesthood you speak of no longer exists. It was for Israel, not Christians. Jesus is now our High Priest and He is, was, and ever shall be The Sacrifice once and for all. No other priests are needed in that case. I do not deliver up my sins to be forgiven of a man on earth who calls himself a priest. Only Jesus can “wash away my sins”. Not someone telling me to go and make repetitive prayers, and rosaries, etc. 🤷
Aaah, the good old Rosary, I knew you’d bring that up to complete the stock-standard shopping list of anti-Catholic whinges. Must be about #52 on the list you all seem to circulate among yourselves.

The early Christians, from James onward, all, practically to a man, understood the importance of a visible priesthood, not just some vague priesthood of all believers. We see precisely how they interpreted James’ command to confess our sins - they went to their ORDAINED priests, not each other! (For that matter, it sounds like you don’t believe in confessing your sins to anyone. What would the Apostle James say about that - not like he was making a polite suggestion, it was a command.)

We see, in the Didache, how they interpreted Christ’s command to celebrate the Eucharist - with ORDAINED priests.

You, naturally, know better than they who were taught by the Apostles themselves, I suppose. Figures. 🤷
 
Salamander, who re you to judge me? you’ve slammed me several times on this thread telling me the strory isn’t the whole story…face the fact that the girl is a “kook” and misled from her Catholic church.
As soon as I told her where her bible came from, she turned. Perhaps it is you also that can’t face the historical truth of that either.
And when i said I had it planned, I meant if she ever brings this mumbo jumbo **** up again, I would intervene.
These are the people one must encounter when dealing with 30,000 denominations of Protestanism. I think it’s contagious.
Actually that sounds more like my post you are refering to.

I have observed that you are not telling the whole story because:
  • It doesnt add up.
  • You keep adding bits to your story.
  • The language that you use and how you post (“Her bible” ect).
I know who compiled the bible (to be more accurate) and agree that she was/is wrong with her opinion. But if someone decided to “tell” me how it all happened, it would really depend on how they told me as to if I would get annoyed with them.

That could be the issue with your situation, how you told her.
 
This priesthood you speak of no longer exists. It was for Israel, not Christians. Jesus is now our High Priest and He is, was, and ever shall be The Sacrifice once and for all. No other priests are needed in that case. I do not deliver up my sins to be forgiven of a man on earth who calls himself a priest. Only Jesus can “wash away my sins”. Not someone telling me to go and make repetitive prayers, and rosaries, etc. 🤷
Dear Salamander. You are absolutely right. NO ONE except Jesus can tell you what to do. But I would “suggest”, study some more, especially the history of the Caholic Church from its beginning, then I suggest you read about the Early Church Fathers, and then in about fifty years when you know enough to discourse, come back and let us see what you have learned. As Christ aslo said, “He who ears to hear, let him hear”. This goes for the female department too.
 
This priesthood you speak of no longer exists. It was for Israel, not Christians. Jesus is now our High Priest and He is, was, and ever shall be The Sacrifice once and for all. No other priests are needed in that case. I do not deliver up my sins to be forgiven of a man on earth who calls himself a priest. Only Jesus can “wash away my sins”. Not someone telling me to go and make repetitive prayers, and rosaries, etc. 🤷
Dear Salamander. You are absolutely right. NO ONE except Jesus can tell you what to do. But I would “suggest”, study some more, especially the history of the Caholic Church from its beginning, then I suggest you read about the Early Church Fathers, next tackle the encyclicals and writings of the Popes, then in about fifty years when you know enough to discourse, come back and let us see what you have learned. As Christ also said, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear”. This goes for the female department too.
 
Actually that sounds more like my post you are refering to.

I have observed that you are not telling the whole story because:
  • It doesnt add up.
  • You keep adding bits to your story.
  • The language that you use and how you post (“Her bible” ect).
I know who compiled the bible (to be more accurate) and agree that she was/is wrong with her opinion. But if someone decided to “tell” me how it all happened, it would really depend on how they told me as to if I would get annoyed with them.

That could be the issue with your situation, how you told her.
Well, coming from someone who lists in his profile, religion as “my own”, I truly am not worried what you think about me.
And you are wrong. This thread isn’t made for you to judge me and how I say something…oh brother…🤷
 
Well, coming from someone who lists in his profile, religion as “my own”, I truly am not worried what you think about me.
Now thats just lovely isnt it. Cheap shots like that simply confirm that you are not telling the whole story, they dont help your credability at all.

What does it matter what I list as my religion (at least I am being honest and up front about it)?

Are you saying this because I dont list myself as cathloic?
And you are wrong. This thread isn’t made for you to judge me and how I say something…oh brother…🤷
Actually I wasnt judging you, I was making observations based on the story that you are relating. So there isnt a need for this defensivness or the lashing out.

I have been trying to help you, strange as it may seem, with your dealings with this woman. I have not defended this person in the slightest and even observed that she has done the wrong thing and that she should feel guilty.

One piece of advice I gave was that you should have ended the “debate” earlier than it ended and I gave reasons for that. I would like to figure out what happened for her to act the way that she did, so that you will know what triggers such an aggressive stance so it can be avoided, but unfortunatly you are unwilling to co-operate.

One thing that I can think of off the top of my head was that it was the way you spoke to her, maybe you were being condescending to her or she thought that you were (its a trap that many christians/cathloics fall into when discussing theology).

If you spoke to her in the same manner that you have used replying to me, I can see why she would be upset/angry at you.
 
As soon as I told her where her bible came from, she turned.
what exactly happened? you and her were both in the same coffee shop, and then? were you both on the same table? or was she a stranger on another table minding her business when you interrupted her?
 
Today I had a debate with a Protestant from a church called “The Bridge of Christ” or something like that. She said that I was crazy in telling her that her bible came from the Catholic church, that it was compiled by the Roman Pontiff in 397 A.D. at the Councl of Carthage.
Well, I never heard such hatred toward me with her name calling and saying that I was the one who was a kook for saying this. She went on and on, quoting Scripture, everything was the bible, bible, bible. I tried to tell her about the Catacombs with their early church writings on the wall from the saints, and about the Early Church Fathers. She simply called me a f------jerk and said satan was attacking me. Even tho I told her sola scripture was not biblical, she refused to think anything else. She was so angry that I couldn’t believe she could act as she did. I was calm and just told her historical facts, then she said “screw history”. What else can convince her that our church is the one and only church? I am xhausted from telling her the same old thing, you know, 2,000 years in existence, unbroken link…is there anything else I can do to basically shut her up and start thinking about it?
Please don’t say it’s hopeless, i will see her again. Thanks.
If she is a Christian and curses a fellow Christians, she is only Christian by name but not in practice. She is a hyprocrite, the worst sinner of them all.
 
If she is a Christian and curses a fellow Christians, she is only Christian by name but not in practice. She is a hyprocrite, the worst sinner of them all.
Its so easy to debunk someone who cant defend herself. 😃
 
what exactly happened? you and her were both in the same coffee shop, and then? were you both on the same table? or was she a stranger on another table minding her business when you interrupted her?
No, she is a part of our coffee club. I bearly know her.
 
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