Perhaps my time here is over

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Icemoon said:
Ironically the reference in Josephus is most suspect and most historians think it has been tampered. The reference describes the resurrection of Jesus, btw.

The best “proof”, IMHO, is from early Christian writings like the gospels. And probably the cryptic reference to Yeshua in the Talmud. Haha.
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You’re right BTW I have to preface my comments because I know Christians will almost always bring up Josephus (there’s not much else.)
 
Lapell said:
In case you find yourself not always up to the beautiful name of “observant” Jew? At least, you take it seriously, and you certainly sound like you’re trying your very best, and that’s not a small thing, au contraire! It certainly counts in the eyes of God! 👍
…I thought that’s what the word “Orthodox” meant, but you shed some light on things I had no idea about.
So, Chassidim are Orthodox, and non-Chassidim (in Europe, I mean) are equally Orthodox… And the Mittnaggim? Is it just a synonym for non-Chassidim?
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Its just that I feel I am a poor example of what a religious Jew should be like, and so I won’t adopt a title unless I am 100% sure I can live up to it, 100% of the time. I refuse to be a hypocrite. Granted, I may be far more observant than most Jews, but I’m not as observant as I would like to be.

Most Jews do not identify themselves that way, anyway…most Jews just say, “I’m Jewish”, they don’t get into which kind unless its pertinent to the discussion.

BTW Happy Pesach, Valke, Icemoon and others, and to those others here who observe it (starts tommorrow night).
 
No-- obviously not!! 😃

Perhaps this thread will EVENTUALLY die. At least the threat of leaving toned down anti-Semitism on the board. :o
 
HashemEchad said:
Its just that I feel I am a poor example of what a religious Jew should be like, and so I won’t adopt a title unless I am 100% sure I can live up to it, 100% of the time. I refuse to be a hypocrite. Granted, I may be far more observant than most Jews, but I’m not as observant as I would like to be.

Most Jews do not identify themselves that way, anyway…most Jews just say, “I’m Jewish”, they don’t get into which kind unless its pertinent to the discussion.

BTW Happy Pesach, Valke, Icemoon and others, and to those others here who observe it (starts tommorrow night).
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Whoever would live up to it 100%, 100% of the time would have to be the Lord Almighty Himself, I’d say! To try and try again, get up once we have fallen down and persevere to the end is the best that we can reach here on earth, from what I understand. Same for us Christians, same for all those who follow their conscience in seeking what’s good for everybody, what is best.
So, don’t be too hard on yourself, HashemEchad! Keep on, though!
Happy Pesach to all our Jewish co-participants. Shalom!
 
Also, the Shabbat starts tonight at sundown, so Good Sabbath too! God bless you!
 
“And the Mittnaggim? Is it just a synonym for non-Chassidim?”

The Mitnagim were an orthodox movement that opposed the Chassidim. THey developed their own schools of Torah study. They were more traditional than the Chassidim, who started off emphasizing spirituality. The Mitnagim viewed the Chasidim as less scholarly.
 
CarolsDaughter said:
Do you understand what a Jewish countermissionary is? We do NOT try to get Gentiles to leave their nonJewish religions, we simply try to RETURN Jews to the religion of their BIRTHRIGHT.

Jews, unlike Gentiles, have a DIVINE COVENANT with God, which is eternal. It is not the same as a “religion”, though it is seen that way by others.

Gentiles are free to adopt any religion they wish; this is because they do not have a Divine Covenant with God.

The Messiah will not come until all Jews are truly following the Torah God commanded us to follow. If they join pagan and other non-Jewish religions and stop keeping Torah, this will not happen.

If a Gentile TRULY loves the Jewish people as they often claim to, they will encourage all Jews to STAY JEWISH and keep Torah.
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A gentile who TRULY loves the Jewish people will do exactly as our Jewish Lord, Yeshua HaMashiach commanded us:

Matt. 28:19-20
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

and

Act 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in **Jerusalem, and in all Judea **and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

That speaks of Jewish areas.

Act 1:11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus (Yeshua), who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

Rom 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of **everyone **who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.

Our mandate was and is to take the gospel to the Jews first. That IS showing our love for them.

As a Canaanite woman (some translations say Syro-Phoenician) came to Yeshua begging him to heal her daughter from demon possession, she used a very Hebrew term in calling out to Yeshua. She cried out “Son of David! Save my daughter!” Yeshua ignored her until she finally “got real” with him. She was a gentile using Hebrew terms, terms she had heard living in a Hebrew land, but terms she didn’t really understand or grasp the meaning of.

What was Yeshua’s response to her when she finally got real? Let’s look at it:

Mat 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

Yeshua came for Israel! His people! But her reply showed true humility (getting real, not just using “religious” terminology) and faith:

Mat 15:25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
Mat 15:26 He replied, “It is not right to take **the children’s bread **and toss it to their dogs.”
Mat 15:27 **“Yes, Lord,” she said, “but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.” **
Mat 15:28 Then Jesus answered, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

The children are the Jews! The gospel is from, by and for the Jews! True love is taking the gospel to the Jews!

Rom 9:1
I speak the truth in Christ–I am not lying, my conscience confirms it in the Holy Spirit–
Rom 9:2 I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart.
Rom 9:3 For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, those of my own race,
Rom 9:4 the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises.
Rom 9:5 **Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised!**Amen.

The apostle Paul was a Pharisee! Trained by Gamaliel himself! He still was a Torah observant Jew until the day he died. He took Nazirite vows, keep Pesach, Shavout, Sukkoth, etc.

Philippians 3:4-9
Christ is the Greek word for Mashiach, the Anointed One. They mean the same thing!

No, the Jews, nor anyone, should be forced to convert to anything. The Crusades, Inquisitions and the Holocaust are barbaric, insane acts of people who acted wrongly and unjustly in the name of Yeshua. For that, I beg your forgiveness. True faith in Yeshua will NEVER act like that.

But if you love someone and they blindly walking down a lovely garden path that you know has a 100 foot cliff drop, true love will at least seek to warn them. Even if they choose to ignore you!

Messiah did come. And he said he would not come again until His people recognized his Messiahship and cried out!

Nothing could be more Jewish than to accept and believe in the Jewish Messiah! Yeshua HaMashiach!

inspiration.net/thinkitthru/index.cfm/video/1442318772

“Baruch haba BaShem Adonai!” Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! A Messianic greeting!

Mat 23:39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’ "

Berakhot and Shalom!

 
The problem, solafide, is that Christianity is not for Jews. Its very evident, when you look at some of the doctrines espoused by traditional Christianity, esp. Catholicism.

A Jew who truly knows what the Torah teaches, could never become a Christian, esp. not the more liturgical type. This may be why the vast majority of Jews who do go shmad, do so to the “Jews for J” and other evangelical versions of the religion.

BTW I attended a Chasidic Passover Seder Sunday night, with the rabbi of the synagogue we attend. I told him of my experiences on this forum, and he said that normally, he would never sanction a Jew hanging out on forums like this, but due to my extensive knowledge of Judaism, he feels its a plus for me to be here, for various reasons. I was surprised to hear him say that!
 
HashemEchad said:
BTW I attended a Chasidic Passover Seder Sunday night, with the rabbi of the synagogue we attend. I told him of my experiences on this forum, and he said that normally, he would never sanction a Jew hanging out on forums like this, but due to my extensive knowledge of Judaism, he feels its a plus for me to be here, for various reasons. I was surprised to hear him say that!
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Gee: If my bishop told me not to hang out on a Catholic message board, I’d tell him very kindly that it was none of his business.

Well, whether you’ve got the rabbi’s blessing or not, it’s interesting to read your thoughts on this stuff, and I’m glad you’re still here.
 
HashemEchad said:
BTW I attended a Chasidic Passover Seder Sunday night, with the rabbi of the synagogue we attend. I told him of my experiences on this forum, and he said that normally, he would never sanction a Jew hanging out on forums like this, but due to my extensive knowledge of Judaism, he feels its a plus for me to be here, for various reasons. I was surprised to hear him say that!
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What surprised you in what he said? You seem so really rooted in Judaism in such a way that I would tend to agree with him…
 
HashemEchad said:
BTW I attended a Chasidic Passover Seder Sunday night, with the rabbi of the synagogue we attend. I told him of my experiences on this forum, and he said that normally, he would never sanction a Jew hanging out on forums like this, but due to my extensive knowledge of Judaism, he feels its a plus for me to be here, for various reasons. I was surprised to hear him say that!
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Yeah, you might catch our evil gentile/christianity. Best to stay away from us nasty Christians.
 
HashemEchad said:
BTW I attended a Chasidic Passover Seder Sunday night, with the rabbi of the synagogue we attend. I told him of my experiences on this forum, and he said that normally, he would never sanction a Jew hanging out on forums like this, but due to my extensive knowledge of Judaism, he feels its a plus for me to be here, for various reasons. I was surprised to hear him say that!
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It can be helpful to Catholics to know a little more, in a positive sense, about Judaism. Many times we read the negative things, such as for example, a few negative passages quoted out of context from the Talmud or a reference to the book by Father Pranaitis or more recently Israel Shahak.
 
bobzills said:
It can be helpful to Catholics to know a little more, in a positive sense, about Judaism. Many times we read the negative things, such as for example, a few negative passages quoted out of context from the Talmud or a reference to the book by Father Pranaitis or more recently Israel Shahak.
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Well, that’s what my rabbi friend felt. He said that many Christians are woefully ignorant of genuine Jewish beliefs and customs (just as many Jews are also woefully ignorant of Christian beliefs and customs). He felt perhaps if my presence could educate Christians a bit, it would be well worth the while.

His only concern (if I’d been an uneducated Jew) was that I could be confused or led astray by some of the Christian understandings of our Scriptures (which, as you know, can often be quite different from our understanding of them.)

Basically, his concern was similar to the reason why Catholics for many years were forbidden from reading from a King James Version of the Bible—because it contained Protestant mistranslations (at least, as Catholics saw it.) Perhaps also why Catholics for many years were forbidden from watching unapproved movies, esp. those rated C for condemned (any Catholics here old enough to remember those days? My mom remembered them!)
 
HashemEchad said:
Well, that’s what my rabbi friend felt. He said that many Christians are woefully ignorant of genuine Jewish beliefs and customs (just as many Jews are also woefully ignorant of Christian beliefs and customs). He felt perhaps if my presence could educate Christians a bit, it would be well worth the while.
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This is the correct forum, in my opinion, to discuss topics which would help a Christian understand better some of the more positive aspects of Judaism.
 
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