Personality types, control freaks, perfectionists, and MARRIAGE

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Turn it around, precisely because you DO agree on the biggies that you CAN work on the small stuff.

The idea of two people being incompatable… think about this, God created man and woman for each other, to compliment each other - think of a puzzle with two pieces. They compliment each other, but, not until they each get turned and adjusted do they actually fit together.
Exactly… In 10 Great Dates ( do I plug this too much?) one of the dates is to understand how you are different or alike… and interestingly enough, being too alike is as much a deal as being too different… If you are different, you can complement (and say nice things, too;) ) each other in how things get done… if you are willing to give up some control. If you are alike, you can fall into traps of not getting some things done/addressed.

My wife and I are very different. I like to shop, she has a list and the goal is to get in and out in as little time as possible. She’s a homebody and I like to see the world. She enjoy’s entertaining a house full of kids and I like peace and quiet… She’s gorgeous and I’m pretty plain…She’s an A and I’m a B. There’s never a dull momment…

We are alike in some ways… She likes to cook and I like to eat!
 
Thought I’d jump on the “communication issues” bandwagon and ask some things I’ve wondered about.
Been thinking about that lately, too. 😉

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Can a personality type be “wrong”? Obviously there are some personality types that are more likable and some that are very hard to like. If someone has a type that is not great, is it wrong and should they do something to try and “fix” it? Is personality type a part of our nature (God given) or is it a defect?
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Certain acts are wrong. It would be somewhat objectively wrong (“evil in nature”) to have a personality which causes one to harm others. It would be wrong not to try to do something about it.

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  1. What do you think of when you hear “control freak” or “controlling behavior”?
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I think about people who have dependency/independency issues and are paranoid about stalkers or controllers. I understand what a control freak means and I understand a normal person wouldn’t call another normal person that. However, “controlling behaviour”… instantly makes me wonder.

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  1. Are you a perfectionist (or do you live with one?)? Is it something that is all bad or are there some redeeming qualities?
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If there are redeeming qualities, it’s still bad. Or do you mean redeeming qualities in perfectionism itself, not the person? I’d say yes, there are some. And no, perfectionists aren’t bad. Am I one? I don’t know. There may be many problems with perfectionism: ranging from inadequacy to unhealthy obsessions, involving perhaps a disappointment with others. On the other hand, what of those people who devote their whole selves to what they do and whose minds operate like computers, except the human spark, or those whose hands never shake? Don’t they have something that makes their whole world of annoyances seem like more than a fair price for what you get? Perhaps what’s making them so genial or dedicated or decorated or celebrated or contrary, vilified or misunderstood lonely geniuses, in other words - simply tenacious - is the same thing as what breeds all their vices?

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  1. If two people marry but discover that they have incompatible personalities, what is their responsibility towards each other and the marriage?
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Perfectionists should understand the weight of an oath. Control issues, if they are real, perhaps make marriage invalid. Other things… don’t we have a sackload of issues, each of us? Admittedly, some have more. If they have more redeeming qualities too, I don’t know.

Sometimes I look at my life and I think I have myself to blame for what didn’t work out and the only consistent factor in my failed relationships and attempts has been I. Apparently, I must have some redeeming qualities, since people on many occasions have said I’m great (in addition to other things they’ve said when they’ve been less my fans than at other times, that is). Since, however, things generally happen as they do, then probably the load is heavy. As for the balance with redeeming qualities, I don’t think I really care. If I end up alone, I’ll be a better lawyer. First, I’ll be bitter and completely unrestrained by any taming female influence, second, I’ll have to do something with all the time. I suppose I’m somewhat cynical, but one’s got to do with what he has. I guess that works for marriage too.

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Looking forward to seeing your replies!!!
Malia**

Looking forward to the exchange.
 
Turn it around, precisely because you DO agree on the biggies that you CAN work on the small stuff.

The idea of two people being incompatable… think about this, God created man and woman for each other, to compliment each other - think of a puzzle with two pieces. They compliment each other, but, not until they each get turned and adjusted do they actually fit together.
**I agree with you. The point I had in my head is that it would be nice to KNOW or discover that your future spouse is of a personality type that may present challenges (or vice versa) BEFORE committing to marriage. I think it should be part of pre-cana…

malia**
 
I agree with you. The point I had in my head is that it would be nice to KNOW or discover that your future spouse is of a personality type that may present challenges (or vice versa) BEFORE committing to marriage. I think it should be part of pre-cana…

malia
We were married before we converted, so, we never did pre-cana. I thought the FOCUS test did some of that?
 
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  1. Can a personality type be “wrong”?
  2. What do you think of when you hear “control freak” or “controlling behavior”?
  3. Are you a perfectionist (or do you live with one?)? Is it something that is all bad or are there some redeeming qualities?
  4. If two people marry but discover that they have incompatible personalities, what is their responsibility towards each other and the marriage?..
Malia**
LOL ! I don’t know where you live, Malia, but do you know my family?
  1. Personality types sometimes might not be “wrong” - just out of sync with others’ personalities, and sometimes, if bad, it’s fixable, providing the person is willing. I think it depends where the personality traits show up - in childhood, adulthood, etc. Some might be God-given while others a product of our upbringing.
  2. When I think of control freaks I think of people who not only must have their way but can often justify it, even using the Bible as their guide. But control freaks can be the saintliest people. I know. I was daughter to one and engaged to another. Needless to say, I didn’t marry the second - for that very reason. (Thank you, God !)
  3. Sadly, I am a perfectionist with a parent who was, too - but not carrying it too far. The only place I’ve “gotten over” it - is housework…and that’s another bad quality - when you trade perfectionism for laziness!
  4. Incompatibility in marriage is a serious matter and must be addressed - not lightly. Depending on what the incompatibilities are, private discussion with spiritual advisor would be my first thought. But while couples should be one in Christ, often it’s the case that one will refuse to comply with this request to discuss. Spiritual advice is, I’d think, necessary no matter if things get tough.
 
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Great book called “The Temperament God Gave You” by the people who put together the temperament test on that site.

In the book, the authors distinguish temperament from personality. “Temperament” is the raw material and innate instincts the person comes with from the start, while personality incorporates inborn temperment, habits, experience and choices. There are other similar books, but that book is written from a Catholic perspective and makes the point that there is no bad temperament and that every temperament is capable of holiness.

Different temperaments are more likely to struggle with different weaknesses while having natural strengths. The book also offers chapters on different temperament mixes in marriage and parent/child temperment combinations.
 
IMO, the worst personality trait one can have is “Know it Allism”. The reason why it is so deadly is because of the pride factor. Know it Alls are always right, they know more than anyone else, including God, many of the saints, and lots of extremely learned people. Know it alls never ask for forgiveness, do not admit that they are wrong, offensive, or just plain blow hards.

I’m not sure what “controlling behavior” means. I know someone who is moody and uncommunicative when she is angry, and is able to get her way by being sulky. So I guess that’s controlling, right? To me, that is just plain immaturity.

I am more of a perfectionist than not, although I can be lazy at times. I like my house to be a certain way, but I don’t think this spills over into other areas of my life. My children have taught me how to let go.

And for the final question, they have to pray for each other and rely on the graces of the sacrament of marriage. I’m far from perfect and so is my dh, but the two of us together are whole, and complement each other. Sometimes I wonder why I married my husband, but then I remember someone saying to me that the things that first attract you to your spouse are going to be the things that **** you off at some point. Take it one day at a time.
 
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Great book called “The Temperament God Gave You” by the people who put together the temperament test on that site.

In the book, the authors distinguish temperament from personality. “Temperament” is the raw material and innate instincts the person comes with from the start, while personality incorporates inborn temperment, habits, experience and choices. There are other similar books, but that book is written from a Catholic perspective and makes the point that there is no bad temperament and that every temperament is capable of holiness.

Different temperaments are more likely to struggle with different weaknesses while having natural strengths. The book also offers chapters on different temperament mixes in marriage and parent/child temperment combinations.
I’d just reccomened some books to a friend today, I meant that one and called it something else :o 😉 😃
 
**I agree with you. The point I had in my head is that it would be nice to KNOW or discover that your future spouse is of a personality type that may present challenges (or vice versa) BEFORE committing to marriage. I think it should be part of pre-cana… **malia
The pre cana my husband and I have helped with a couple of times includes a talk on the 5 Love Languages. People say that’s really helpful. —KCT
 
The pre cana my husband and I have helped with a couple of times includes a talk on the 5 Love Languages. People say that’s really helpful. —KCT
I just put that (and a few other books) on hold at the library👍
 
Hmm, I’m very anal…I will color code, alphabetize and straighten everything within my sight. In fact, you know that crazy person that visits your party and goes around straightening the picture frames? That’s me. 🙂

I feel stressed out by clutter, mess, clashing colors/styles, etc. If my desktop is dirty, it just hollers out to me until I clean it.

I’ve never been called a control freak, but maybe that is because I can socially accept others regardless of their cleanliness. It’s just me and my environment that I care about. Plus, I suspect most of the office is secretly ecstatic that their manager will clean their desk, the office and the computer room every few days. It’s as if they have a free maid. 😉

So of course the joke here is that I married mr. messy. You know that guy on Charlie Brown…the one with the cloud of dirt? Yeah, that’s my hubby. 😃 The first day back from our honeymoon I cleaned all of his clothes, ironed them, sorted his entire closet and color coded everything from dark to bright colors, long sleeve to short sleeve, denim to linen and then made outfits.

You should have seen his face when he got home. 👍 Amazingly, he absolutely loved it. lol. He went gaga.

So now I have something to do and he has someone to do it. I guess some people would say that’s typical as I’m the woman, but cleaning is my hobby. 😃

Weird huh.
 
The first day back from our honeymoon I cleaned all of his clothes, ironed them, sorted his entire closet and color coded everything from dark to bright colors, long sleeve to short sleeve, denim to linen and then made outfits.
Hasikelee, I don’t suppose you’d like to come over to my place, would you? :rolleyes:

I am just like your husband. I like a clean environment, but I look around and feel stumped as to how to achieve it. My boyfriend is much tidier than me - whenever he comes over, he straightens my couch cushions, puts away my dishes, washes whatever’s in the sink… I feel awfully guilty whenever he does that, like I can’t manage my own house!

I suspect he will have to be patient with me when we get married, and I’m going to have to work on cleaning up my messes quickly so he doesn’t get upset!
 
It’s really more of a matter of growing in virtue. You have to develop self knowledge about your weaknesses and then develop a plan to work on them.

I really like a book by Lisa Whelchel (you know, the hsing former actress who starred in the Facts of Life). She’s a protestant who married a minister.

amazon.com/Facts-Life-Lessons-Father-Taught/dp/1590527984/ref=pd_bbs_8?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200155656&sr=8-8

In her book, she talks about how she learned to moderate some of her personality traits that were hurting her marriage. I liked the way she would fast from certain things. One thing she struggled with was that her dh was a passive, service oriented person and she was a strong willed, roll over him kind of person. So, she fasted from giving her opinion/making decisions when another person was present. In this way, she learned to put her own perferences aside. And, her husband learned to develop more of his leadership qualities.

Here’s her website:

lisawhelchel.com/
 
Hasikelee, I don’t suppose you’d like to come over to my place, would you? :rolleyes:

I am just like your husband. I like a clean environment, but I look around and feel stumped as to how to achieve it. My boyfriend is much tidier than me - whenever he comes over, he straightens my couch cushions, puts away my dishes, washes whatever’s in the sink… I feel awfully guilty whenever he does that, like I can’t manage my own house!

I suspect he will have to be patient with me when we get married, and I’m going to have to work on cleaning up my messes quickly so he doesn’t get upset!
Well, I like cleaning and organizing and he doesn’t feel bothered by it. I think that’s why this works out for us.

I grew up with a sister who was super messy and “artsy.” If I straightened her part of the room, it would practically have her off-balance for a week.

So I guess I couldn’t help cleaning hubby’s stuff, but I was definitely fearing the worst the first time around. Haha!
 
I’ve been called a perfectionist by the people who know me very well. I don’t think it is good or bad. Like everything, it can be used for good or bad. People can become obsessive over certain things. I like to pay attention to detail when I am doing things and I like them a certain way. But it depends on where people draw the line that makes it good or bad. If you don’t ever let anyone help you and you always want to do EVERYTHING because you cant’ stand it to be done other ways or you are obsessed with it, then of course that is bad. But God gave us brains and we are to think about how we act and what we do. I think we have a lot and I mean A LOT of control over our personalities. You can let them interfere or you can control them to an extent. We all have tendencies but we still chose to do what we do. I am over controlling and a perfectionist and I have to conciously make an effort (everyday all day) to be different. To let go when it is not that important. To let my husband do somethings around the house to help me because if I did it all by myself I’d have no life. And also you have to be careful with kids. You can’t not let them do anything or complain about how they do it cuz I think that will give them a complex and they will feel like nothing is good enough to your “perfectionist” standards…as well as others, not just kids. But it is good to recognize your personality type and try to tame it and control it for the good of the marriage. God bless and hope this helps!
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Beautiful response!! It’s interesting this topic would come considering that I recently was watching a Christian TV show and they were talking about different temperaments. I think we need to be more knowledgable in this area and give space to be who we are created to be. God has uniquely shaped each of us. Check it out:
www.lifelanguages.com
 
Confession of a thread skipper: I skipped some replies. I hope this isn’t a repeat offering:
  1. Are you a perfectionist (or do you live with one?)? Is it something that is all bad or are there some redeeming qualities?
Martha was a perfectionist. There are, of course, redeeming qualities, as Martha was still in friendship with Jesus. But in giving up the plan, in giving up the script of how the visit with Jesus ***should ***go, Mary’s relationship with Jesus was even better.

Sometimes I laugh, though, when I hear that gospel at Mass.
I think it ended like this:

Jesus said, “Martha, Martha. You’re vexed over many things. Mary has chosen the better part and it won’t be taken from her.”

(my version) Martha replies,taking off her apron “OK, Jesus. I see that now. So… does anyone have a few bucks to order pizza?”

I’ll read the responses and consider the other ones soon.

Good questions, btw!
 
It looks like there’s something I missed before first posting. 😉
Feanaro's Wife:
I’m hoping Chevalier will contribute to this thread because he seems to know quite a bit about technical personality types a la Myers Briggs etc. That is what I’m wondering about.
Thank you. 🙂 I think it’s a fun matter to delve into… For some reason I just like it. 🙂
I know that we all have a responsibility to better ourselves and reach for holiness. Hard to do that if we don’t change our selfish. lazy, or unreasonable ways. But I’m wondering about the ways in which we actually think. If I am primarily a logical thinker and a friend is primarily an emotional thinker, should we try and change how we think to better communicate?
Hmm… Nope, I think not. Rather find out how the other person thinks (I first wrote “works”, so perhaps I’m a bit more analytical than I had thought :D) and understand that, also, perhaps, realise the way we think isn’t the only way and we aren’t automatically correct, especially as it comes to the approach rather than the results. While good is good and evil is evil, many perceptions are sometimes valid and various ways of thinking are valid as well. Even scientific methods have to fight for legitimacy because some academics don’t accept others’ methods of work. 🙂
it brings to mind the wife who gets mad when hubby loads the dishwasher the “wrong” way or when the kids rake the leaves differently than she does etc. Or the man who gets irate because his son put the lawnmower away but it’s crooked. You know, freaky behavior
Yeah…I don’t like that. I can even actually like it (in the sense of endearment) if it’s not violent, angry, overly guilt-inducing. But when it’s the only right way and a major transgression on my part that I didn’t do it in that exact way… Come on, courts of law don’t get so anal about formalities.
Personally I don’t think perfectionism is all bad, like I mentioned in a previous post. In some ways it can be a great asset…
Humility helps, I suppose. 🙂 Don’t know, good will, smile, positive attitude. Can get you a long way.
Again, I’m asking about specific personality traits, not bad habits or poor skills. I don’t know enough about the topic to explain as well as I’d like but I’m hoping you can see what I mean.
I can. I don’t think I’d decide to marry someone who differed in some substantial ways likely preventing normal cohabitation. But incompatibility would have to be something severe in order to overshadow mutual love and respect. And without mutual love and respect, it’s not worth it anyway. I think we need to stop expecting the other to be perfect and then it’ll be fine. If it’s anything major, it likely gets “filtered” before marriage.

I suppose my problem wouldn’t be incompatibility in the sense of not matching traits, but rather a lacking connection. If a trait doesn’t have a moral component, I don’t really mind it to such an extent, though exceptions exist. I don’t know… we need to love people as they are, without their being perfect. Then I guess it’ll work out, unless we keep thinking we’re entitled to something better and we’re getting stuck with second-rated goods. I think even from a pragmatic view, it’s better to start working on that marriage. After all, no goodness is ever wasted. God will not abandon those who try to be the best they can to their husbands or wives. Relationships have to be worked on. They don’t come out of the box (well, normally at least, and probably those still develop further over time anyway). Once there is a wife or husband, it makes the best sense to stop thinking whether it’s a good one, but instead focus on making it good. Umm… without tyranny and the bad kind of perfectionism. 🙂 Perhaps being a bit laid back might help. 😉
 
IMO, the worst personality trait one can have is “Know it Allism”. The reason why it is so deadly is because of the pride factor. Know it Alls are always right, they know more than anyone else.
/me hides 😃
 
IMO, the worst personality trait one can have is “Know it Allism”. The reason why it is so deadly is because of the pride factor. Know it Alls are always right, they know more than anyone else, including God, many of the saints, and lots of extremely learned people. Know it alls never ask for forgiveness, do not admit that they are wrong, offensive, or just plain blow hards.
So you’ve met my MIL? (and I don’t think she’s ever slept at a Holiday Inn Express:rolleyes: )

A short example: At one point in building our house, we were going to the dump rather frequently. I’m required by law to cover the stuff in the trailer with a tarp. Afterward, I just toss the tarp in the back of the Blazer (like a Tahoe, today) and head home… Not sure why it came up but MIL says to me that I should have folded the tarp before putting it in the truck. I said I couldn’t by myself, it was too windy… She then explained to me how to lay it on the ground and carefully fold it and then put it in the truck. Don’t know if any of you have been to a large landfil before, but it really is a messy place when you are out on the “hill.” Like any large uplift of land, the winds are 20 to 30, constantly. Well, one day, I talked her into going along to the landfill… While I was finishing up, I asked her to please fold the tarp up for me. After a couple of minutes, it was in a heap in the back of the Blazer! She did keep quiet for a while…

To bring this back to the purpose of the thread…
Dealing with one person with different personality type than yours is hard enough without the IL’s popping in as well. I’m all for the 500 mile rule! (Live 500 miles from either family)

Are Control Freaks, Perfectionists and KIA’s similar?
 
**Just finished the book called

*Personality Plus for Couples ***

and I have to recommend it to EVERYONE!!! It is so simple but has amazing insight into 4 personality types and the combinations made up when people marry.

Has anyone else read this? Turns out I am a Melancholy and hubby is a near equal combination of 3 different types (Melancholy, Phlegmatic, and Choleric) … no wonder he is so difficult to read sometimes!!! It’s like I’m married to 3 different people and I never know which one will respond:shrug:

I also just started the one for kids… our 18 month old DD is a strong Choleric… boy do we have out work cut out for us!!!

Malia
 
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