Pet peeve, literally a peeve about pets!

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So…you are in the position to know where my dollars and those of the other members here go? I think not. Unless you are privy to where I spend my hard earned dollars…I have every right under the sun to spend them as I see fit. My conscience is clear, as I support 2 churches…charities…animal and human…so I have to ask Cracker Mom…can you say the same…or is it just all “talk”: with you? Hmmmm?
your hard earned dollars arent yours, they are G-ds. did Jesus care for strays over people? no.

when the gentile woman asked for His strength, he said it wasn’t right ot give food to the dogs, while the children were hungry, she replied that even the little dogs ate crumbs from the Masters table.

the point is that Jesus obviously thought people should come first.

it was so obvious to Him that He chose to use the idea as a parable.

atheists can be excused for not really knowing right from wrong, they think that is in their heads, something to be made up as they go along.

we do not.
 
I don’t contribute any dollars to animal charities because I have no surplus after donating to human charities.And until human charities have surplus funding, I couldn’t divert funds to animals in good conscience.
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you said it pretty clearly here.
 
your hard earned dollars arent yours, they are G-ds. did Jesus care for strays over people? no.

when the gentile woman asked for His strength, he said it wasn’t right ot give food to the dogs, while the children were hungry, she replied that even the little dogs ate crumbs from the Masters table.

the point is that Jesus obviously thought people should come first.

it was so obvious to Him that He chose to use the idea as a parable.

atheists can be excused for not really knowing right from wrong, they think that is in their heads, something to be made up as they go along.

we do not.
The nice thing about it is…we can and should if we are able support ***both…***I am able to and I do. 🙂
 
your hard earned dollars arent yours, they are G-ds. did Jesus care for strays over people? no.

when the gentile woman asked for His strength, he said it wasn’t right ot give food to the dogs, while the children were hungry, she replied that even the little dogs ate crumbs from the Masters table.

the point is that Jesus obviously thought people should come first.

it was so obvious to Him that He chose to use the idea as a parable.

atheists can be excused for not really knowing right from wrong, they think that is in their heads, something to be made up as they go along.

we do not.
You know, it would be interesting just to see how many dollars are spent on animal shelters/animal welfare & then apply those dollars to human charities & see what kind of a difference that would make to ease human suffering.I know that hypothetically you can do both, but in reality funds are diverted from people to animals.Just a thought.
 
I don’t contribute any dollars to animal charities because I have no surplus after donating to human charities.And until human charities have surplus funding, I couldn’t divert funds to animals in good conscience.
It certainly is a free country & you can contribute as you wish.
Well, if you have limited funds to donate then you are doing as you see fit and there is no problem with that at all. Since I am fortunate to have the ability to do so, I contribute to both and my conscience is clear, but thank you for giving me the OK.👍
 
Cracker Mom;4947751:
I don’t contribute any dollars to animal charities because I have no surplus after donating to human charities.And until human charities have surplus funding, I couldn’t divert funds to animals in good conscience.
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you said it pretty clearly here.

I tried.Thanks!🙂
 
The nice thing about it is…we can and should if we are able support ***both…***I am able to and I do. 🙂
if you get that from the parable, thats wrong, theologically he is speaking about the gentiles, the parables importance to this conversation is that even He G-d Himself, thought it obvious that humans come first

its wrong to give charitable dollars to strays, while any human being suffers.

if you were starving, would it be ok for your neighbor to throw a stray dog some chicken, but leave you ther to starve?

because that is what you are doing by giving charitable dollars to pet charities, there are psople starving.

or you can be like comrade sair, and say those folks are just statistics, so its ok to feed a stray and let a person starve.
 
I think what this illustrates above that the purpose of animal charities should be to contribute to human good through animals, rather than animal good through humans. 🙂

I.E., keeping dangerous animals off the streets, serving as a place for people to acquire healthy animals, spreading knowledge about how animals can best benefit people and people best take care of their animals, etc.

The focus or orientation of these charities is generally simply -wrong-, missing the target.

What animal charities often are nowadays are places where people take care of animals for the animal’s sake at the expense of humanity, and where money is spent putting animals above humans, or equal to humans in importance, sometimes in advertising sometimes politically. It seems as if the movement is contaminated by people with a sentimental and emotional view towards animals that is disordered, against humanity.

Which is basically a subset of the environmental movement that has gone this way, putting the environment of more importance than human beings – so that they would rather see technological progress done away with, and react badly to all things that for sentimentalist reasons they see as enemies – DDT, hunting, cutting down trees, etc. when actually all these serve the environment properly done.

A properly ordered view of taking care of animals is one of God>man>animal rather than animal>man>God, the latter equation of which seems to be the popular view of the mainstream of the movement.

Sounds like one of those upside down end times poems really. 🙂
 
My cat treats me a lot better than any member of my parish. My cat and I will have Easter dinner together – nobody in this part of Ontario where I live has ever in 11 years invited me to their home for any reason, much less for a holiday meal. When my father died, my cat comforted me – my neighbours, work mates and fellow parishoners and priest did not.

I would much rather spend my money on those who care for me, be they animal or human, than those who do not.

And that goes for those who say I have no right to a university education until everyone else on earth has graduated from high school, and no right to a Fiat Dino until everyone on earth has a Honda Civic.

I heard Fr. Corapi and Fr. Patwa this weekend have a very good and detailed discussion on why the church does NOT support socialism and never has, and why the right to private property is ingrained in the human being. It’s archived at EWTN. If you haven’t seen it, you ought to.
 
My cat treats me a lot better than any member of my parish. My cat and I will have Easter dinner together – nobody in this part of Ontario where I live has ever in 11 years invited me to their home for any reason, much less for a holiday meal. When my father died, my cat comforted me – my neighbours, work mates and fellow parishoners and priest did not.

I would much rather spend my money on those who care for me, be they animal or human, than those who do not.

And that goes for those who say I have no right to a university education until everyone else on earth has graduated from high school, and no right to a Fiat Dino until everyone on earth has a Honda Civic.

I heard Fr. Corapi and Fr. Patwa this weekend have a very good and detailed discussion on why the church does NOT support socialism and never has, and why the right to private property is ingrained in the human being. It’s archived at EWTN. If you haven’t seen it, you ought to.
Just curious, ever invite anyone for dinner yourself?

You have to reach out too.
 
I think what this illustrates above that the purpose of animal charities should be to contribute to human good through animals, rather than animal good through humans. 🙂

I.E., keeping dangerous animals off the streets, serving as a place for people to acquire healthy animals, spreading knowledge about how animals can best benefit people and people best take care of their animals, etc.

The focus or orientation of these charities is generally simply -wrong-, missing the target.

What animal charities often are nowadays are places where people take care of animals for the animal’s sake at the expense of humanity, and where money is spent putting animals above humans, or equal to humans in importance, sometimes in advertising sometimes politically. It seems as if the movement is contaminated by people with a sentimental and emotional view towards animals that is disordered, against humanity.

Which is basically a subset of the environmental movement that has gone this way, putting the environment of more importance than human beings – so that they would rather see technological progress done away with, and react badly to all things that for sentimentalist reasons they see as enemies – DDT, hunting, cutting down trees, etc. when actually all these serve the environment properly done.

A properly ordered view of taking care of animals is one of God>man>animal rather than animal>man>God, the latter equation of which seems to be the popular view of the mainstream of the movement.

Sounds like one of those upside down end times poems really. 🙂
ooooooooohh…well put. lets see how long it takes the oppostion to pounce on your unreasaonable and hateful post (lots of sarcasm on that)

well im off to trick the little fishies, onto my hook 🙂
 
I think what this illustrates above that the purpose of animal charities should be to contribute to human good through animals, rather than animal good through humans. 🙂

I.E., keeping dangerous animals off the streets, serving as a place for people to acquire healthy animals, spreading knowledge about how animals can best benefit people and people best take care of their animals, etc.

The focus or orientation of these charities is generally simply -wrong-, missing the target.

What animal charities often are nowadays are places where people take care of animals for the animal’s sake at the expense of humanity, and where money is spent putting animals above humans, or equal to humans in importance, sometimes in advertising sometimes politically. It seems as if the movement is contaminated by people with a sentimental and emotional view towards animals that is disordered, against humanity.

Which is basically a subset of the environmental movement that has gone this way, putting the environment of more importance than human beings – so that they would rather see technological progress done away with, and react badly to all things that for sentimentalist reasons they see as enemies – DDT, hunting, cutting down trees, etc. when actually all these serve the environment properly done.

A properly ordered view of taking care of animals is one of God>man>animal rather than animal>man>God, the latter equation of which seems to be the popular view of the mainstream of the movement.

Sounds like one of those upside down end times poems really. 🙂
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Well thought out.👍 I was trying to put something similar in words but you’ve done it very well.
 
A properly ordered view of taking care of animals is one of God>man>animal rather than animal>man>God, the latter equation of which seems to be the popular view of the mainstream of the movement.

Sounds like one of those upside down end times poems really. 🙂
You know, it would be interesting just to see how many dollars are spent on animal shelters/animal welfare & then apply those dollars to human charities & see what kind of a difference that would make to ease human suffering.I know that hypothetically you can do both, but in reality funds are diverted from people to animals.Just a thought.
Do either of you foks believe those who spend money…*their hard earned dollars which aren’t really theirs’…*on tickets for football games…could run into some big dough there…or buy fancy cars…when a cheaper car will do…or who take lavish trips…when they could go to the nearby park…should instead send their money to the charities which are soley for the helping of other humans? If you feel they should be able to use THEIR money as THEY see fit…whats the big deal about how people like me spend our money? So…?
 
I did & was surprised to see it doesn’t appear to offer shelter to women.Unless I’m misreading the info. provided.🤷
**Ahimsa House enables people entrenched in violent domestic situations to safely leave said situations with their pets. Many people (particularly women) will not leave if there is no place to shelter their pet(s) until they get settled elsewhere. Ahimsa House provides safe shelter for these pets until the owners can find same for themselves.

Copy from their website:

"Perpetrators of domestic violence often hurt family pets to control and intimidate their victims. Ahimsa House, Inc. - a 501(c)(3) nonprofit corporation - is dedicated to helping the human and animal victims of domestic violence across Georgia reach safety together.

As Georgia’s only organization of this type, Ahimsa House accomplishes its mission by:

Providing confidential emergency shelter and veterinary care for animal victims
Maintaining a 24-hour crisis line providing referrals and information
Raising awareness about the connections between animal abuse and domestic violence."

“Up to 71% of victims entering domestic violence shelters report that their abusers threatened, injured, or killed the family pets. Research indicates that pet abuse may be a red flag for increased severity of domestic violence and more controlling behavior by the abuser.”

They do not take in strays or dumped litters; they offer to assist pet owners to list their pets on temporary protective orders and to list them on special conditions bonds. The pets will be cared for until the owners are able to reclaim them.

Ahimsa House is a not-for-profit organization which operates on donations. It is smart, it is considerate, and it will drive warpspeedpetey completely over the edge.

Limerick **
 
Do either of you foks believe those who spend money…*their hard earned dollars which aren’t really theirs’…*on tickets for football games…could run into some big dough there…or buy fancy cars…when a cheaper car will do…or who take lavish trips…when they could go to the nearby park…should instead send their money to the charities which are soley for the helping of other humans? If you feel they should be able to use THEIR money as THEY see fit…whats the big deal about how people like me spend our money? So…?
poverty is admirable, but im not talking about your money for your life, im talking about that part which is for charity, the exact amount is between you and G-d, but charity dollars spent for animals, are charity dollars not spent on humans, its a zero sum game.

thee big deal is that if you were starving to death, you wouldn’t want someone to give a stray food and leave you to starve would you?

but that is exactly what your doing when you donate to animal charities, you are giving some stray food when a person, your fellow human being is still suffering.

in essence it violates the most basic foundation of ethics and morality. the golden rule

by giving to an animal charity instead of a human one then you are doing just that.
 
My cat treats me a lot better than any member of my parish. My cat and I will have Easter dinner together – nobody in this part of Ontario where I live has ever in 11 years invited me to their home for any reason, much less for a holiday meal. When my father died, my cat comforted me – my neighbours, work mates and fellow parishoners and priest did not.
im sorry about that, its the same with me, one girl introduced herself to me in the whole year that i have been going to this parish. no one else. a recent death in the family was barely commented on i would take the effort to join different societies but work may force me to move to another parish
I would much rather spend my money on those who care for me, be they animal or human, than those who do not.
i know its tempting to think the cat is comforting you, but with all possible charity, the cat simply doesnt understand any of that. take comfort in Christ

if you want friends in the big city parishes, it looks like you really have to work at it.
And that goes for those who say I have no right to a university education until everyone else on earth has graduated from high school, and no right to a Fiat Dino until everyone on earth has a Honda Civic.
these arent the same things. nobody suffers if they dont have a fiat, or a honda.
I heard Fr. Corapi and Fr. Patwa this weekend have a very good and detailed discussion on why the church does NOT support socialism and never has, and why the right to private property is ingrained in the human being. It’s archived at EWTN. If you haven’t seen it, you ought to.
im not talking about socialism, the current administrationis steering us that way in the states, but im talking about simply caring first for your fellow man, before you worry about stray animals

just as you would wish people to do for you if you were suffering.
 
poverty is admirable, but im not talking about your money for your life, im talking about that part which is for charity, the exact amount is between you and G-d, but charity dollars spent for animals, are charity dollars not spent on humans, its a zero sum game.

thee big deal is that if you were starving to death, you wouldn’t want someone to give a stray food and leave you to starve would you?

but that is exactly what your doing when you donate to animal charities, you are giving some stray food when a person, your fellow human being is still suffering.

in essence it violates the most basic foundation of ethics and morality. the golden rule

by giving to an animal charity instead of a human one then you are doing just that.
Well, see now you are “presuming” to tell me how to live my life and how to dispose of my money. Maybe instead of choosing to buy an expensive car…or take a lavish trip I choose to give it to the local animal shelter*…in addition *to giving another sum to the local women’s shelter. You are telling people how they should spend their money. You have no problem with people who DO spend a small fortune on a set of wheels when they could get a cheaper car and give the remainder to a charity for humans? Wouldn’t you think God would much rather see $50,000 sent to a charity than to see it wasted on a method of “transportation”? Think of all the suffering human beings that could be helped with that money!!:eek:
 
Well, see now you are “presuming” to tell me how to live my life and how to dispose of my money. Maybe instead of choosing to buy an expensive car…or take a lavish trip I choose to give it to the local animal shelter*…in addition *

to giving another sum to the local women’s shelter.

ok, but if you give those dollars to a pet charity, they are still charitable dollars, better spent on your fellow human being. there are chidren hungry tonight, right here in america
You are telling people how they should spend their money. You have no problem with people who DO spend a small fortune on a set of wheels when they could get a cheaper car and give the remainder to a charity for humans?
 
WSP says:
ok, but if you give those dollars to a pet charity, they are still charitable dollars, better spent on your fellow human being. there are chidren hungry tonight, right here in america

***You are right and unfortunately that will never end. There are many reasons and you can throw all kinds of charitable money at this problem and it will always be there. ***

WSP says:

oh, i have a huge problem with people living that way, its just not part of the op

But, in all reality you cannot seperate the two. If you are to be totally honest in your feelings you must then take into account all the money people spend on unnecessary thinsg in their lives…and then you must further realize that is their money and they will spend it as they see fit. It is on their conscience.

WSP says:
i completely agree, ostentacious spending is being a poor example of a human being.

You are not the judge…👍
 
WSP says:
ok, but if you give those dollars to a pet charity, they are still charitable dollars, better spent on your fellow human being. there are chidren hungry tonight, right here in america

***You are right and unfortunately that will never end. There are many reasons and you can throw all kinds of charitable money at this problem and it will always be there. ***
i know, but the same argument would go for animals.

either way its not an excuse to violate the golden rule is it?
WSP says:
oh, i have a huge problem with people living that way, its just not part of the op
QUOTE]and then you must further realize that is their money and they will spend it as they see fit. It is on their conscience
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and still immoral. it doesnt matter ifr one has a right to commit an immoral act, it is still immoral, i.e. abortion, prostitution, slavery, etc.

being legal is a long way from being moral.
WSP says:
i completely agree, ostentacious spending is being a poor example of a human being.
You are not the judge…👍
For a woman whose young daughter had an unclean spirit heard about Him [Jesus—KB], and she came and fell at His feet. The woman was a Greek, a Syro-Phoenician by birth, and she kept asking Him to cast the demon out of her daughter. But Jesus said to her,*** “Let the children be filled first, for it is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.” ***And she answered and said to Him, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs under the table eat from the children’s crumbs.” Then He said to her, “For this saying go your way; the demon has gone out of your daughter.” And when she had come to her house, she found the demon gone out, and her daughter lying on the bed (7:25-30; see also Matthew 15:21-28).

now, i understand that this passage is theologically a reference to the inclusion of gentiles in the new covenant.

however.

from the bolded text, you can see that he likened the womans situation, to feeding the dogs before the children

and Jesus said it was wrong…

your right, im not the judge
 
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