Peter and the Wife

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The Bible makes only vague reference to Peter’s life after he left Jerusalem. For the next 20 years he apparently traveled from one city to another, from Palestine to Asia Minor, preaching to the small Christian communities as he went. We are told of Peter that his wife accompanied him on his missionary journeys. Church tradition also holds that Peter’s wife was named Concordia, or Perpetua, she also suffered martyrdom as Peter encouraged her to be brave, saying “Remember, dear, our Lord”

The Bible makes only vague reference to Peter’s life after he left Jerusalem. For the next 20 years he apparently traveled from one city to another, from Palestine to Asia Minor, preaching to the small Christian communities as he went. We are told of Peter that his wife accompanied him on his missionary journeys. Church tradition also holds that Peter’s wife was named Concordia, or Perpetua, she also suffered martyrdom as Peter encouraged her to be brave, saying “Remember, dear, our Lord”

http://www.ccel.org/c/chadwick/mark/morneven/page10.html

Especial interest attaches to the mention of the mother-in-law of Peter, as proving that Jesus chose a married man to be an apostle, the very apostle from whom the celibate ministry of Rome professes to have received the keys. The evidence does not stand alone. When St. Paul’s apostolic authority was impugned, he insisted that he had the same right to bring with him in his travels a believing wife, which Peter exercised. And Clement of Alexandria tells us that Peter’s wife acted as his coadjutor, ministering to women in their own homes, by which means the gospel of Christ penetrated without scandal the privacy of women’s apartments. Thus the notion of a Zenana mission is by no means modern.

http://www.christiancourier.com/archives/popeReflections.htm

Matthew records an instance where the Lord healed the apostle’s mother-in-law (8:14). And in a defense of his apostleship, Paul once said that he had as much right to have a wife as Cephas (Peter) did (1 Cor. 9:5).

Additionally, Peter was an “elder” (1 Pet. 5:1), which means that he was also a husband (1

Tim. 3:2).

http://www.justforcatholics.org/a31.htm

. Celibacy of the ministers. If a person desires to remain single to serve the Lord, well and good. It is God’s gift to him. But can a man who desires to serve the church as a bishop be forced to choose between the ministry and marriage, as happens in the Roman Catholic church?

The apostle Peter wouldn’t say so - and I’m sure his wife was a great blessing and help to him in the ministry. However Catholics argue that a minister of God will be more fully able to devote himself to his flock if he doesn’t have family problems to occupy his time. On the contrary the Bible states:

A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, … One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God? (1Timothy 3:2 ff).

…ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly (Titus 1:5,6).

So, at least, the Bible allows bishops/elders to be married. Whereas Roman Catholic canon law forbids them this privilege.

http://www.tertullian.org/anf/anf04/anf04-14.htm

**Elucidation.

**Marriage lawful, p. 39.

St. Peter was a married apostle, and the traditions of his wife which connect her married life with Rome itself render it most surprising that those who claim to be St. Peter’s successors should denounce the marriage of the clergy as if it were crime. The touching story, borrowed from Clement of Alexandria, is related by Eusebius. “And will they,” says Clement, “reject even the apostles? Peter and Philip, indeed, had children; Philip also gave his daughters in marriage. to husbands; and Paul does not demur, in a certain Epistle, to mention his own wife, whom he did not take about with him, in order to expedite his ministry the better.” Of St. Peter and his wife, Eusebius subjoins, “Such was the marriage of these blessed ones, and such was their perfect affection.”“footnote/fn9.htm” \l “P939_227714”
 
The best reference I have to wives is the mention of Peter’s wife in Matthew 8:14. Her mother was ill and Jesus healed her. As you probably know, Jesus made Capernaum his home after leaving Nazareth and some people believe that Jesus lived with or near Peter and his family. In Capernaum today there is a ruin of a home that possibly could be Peter’s home as it has traditionally been revered as such from ancient times.

Matthew 8:14
14 ¶ And when Jesus was come ihttp://www.ida.net/users/rdk/ces/apostles_married.html

nto Peter’s house, he saw his wife’s mother laid, and sick of a fever. And he touched her hand, and the fever left her: and she arose, and ministered unto them.

There are several references made to the ‘women’ who followed the disciples. Most scholars agree that these women were the wives, daughters, and even in many cases the mothers of these men who cared for them while they ministered.

Mark 15:40 (setting: the crucifixion in Jerusalem)
40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome; (Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him;) and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.

These good women are the unsung heros of the Bible that took care of everything from cooking and laundry to charitable work and the list goes on. They were essential to the ministry and a large group of such good women followed the Apostles wherever they went even though they are seldom mentioned.

Another thing you must understand is that in 1st century Jewish culture it was normal to be married and to have children. Jewish thought was clear: marriage was ordained of God and was the greatest blessing and goal of all righteous men and women. Rabbinical law required that Rabbis be married. Marriages were arranged by parents and these unions solemnized when the children reached puberty. Nearly all young girls and boys were betrothed during the years of 12 to 15 and they starting families immediately. These new marriages were connected closely to the father’s home so girls would generally go with their husbands to live in or near the home of her father in law. Tents were enlarged or houses added to. The custom continues today in the middle east especially with the arab people who will typically add another floor to their home as the children marry and start their own home. A 3 level home is typical and the oldest family (i.e… the grandparents) will live on the main floor and the newly weds will live on the top floor.

Bottom line is that the scriptures say little about this subject because it was normal to be married and to have children and the apostles, being Jewish, would have been no exception to this. Paul taught Timothy that Bishops when selected should be married and have children who were obedient. It stands to reason that if one must be married to be a bishop then likewise a man should be married to be an apostle.

1 Timothy 3:1-6 ¶ THIS [is] a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

http://www.travelnet.co.il/CHRISTIAN/THE12APOSTLES/Main.htm

Later years. Peter apparently left Jerusalem with his wife and became a wandering missionary. According to Christian tradition, Peter became the first bishop of Antioch in Syria, and the first bishop of Rome. He may have died a martyr in Rome during the persecution of Christians by the Emperor Nero from A.D. 64 to 68. According to Christian tradition, Peter was buried under what is now St. Peter’s Basilica in Vatican City. There is no conclusive evidence for any event related to his death.
 
There are very few people on this site who aren’t already aware of all the things you pointed out about Peter being married, or the fact that our early bishops and priests could be married. I guess I shouldn’t presume to speak for everyone else here, but it doesn’t cause us problems because of Matthew’s Gospel: “And I say unto you that thou art Peter and upon this rock I shall build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I shall give unto thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven and whatsoever you shall bind shall be bound in Heaven and whatsoever you shall loose shall be loosed in Heaven.” He left Peter in charge. We believe that that office continues today. All the popes (our word for Peter’s successors) hold that authority to bind and loose. Couple that with the fact that this is a matter of discipline, not doctrine (where the Pope also has the power to bind and loose). Even people who want the Pope to change the discipline of priestly celibacy usually do not deny that he has the authority to change it or retain it. Because we accept the validity of the Petrine Covenant, we aren’t greatly bothered. They could get married, but now they can’t.
 
So the Catholic Church made all this up and our poor priests had to unwillfully submit to something they didn’t want to do, and still today are forced to be celibate priests. poor poor men, poor tortured men. You are all too funny for words.

Peace
He is All for All in All
I am nothing
 
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JKirkLVNV:
There are very few people on this site who aren’t already aware of all the things you pointed out about Peter being married, or the fact that our early bishops and priests could be married. I guess I shouldn’t presume to speak for everyone else here, but it doesn’t cause us problems because of Matthew’s Gospel: “And I say unto you that thou art Peter and upon this rock I shall build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I shall give unto thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven and whatsoever you shall bind shall be bound in Heaven and whatsoever you shall loose shall be loosed in Heaven.” He left Peter in charge. We believe that that office continues today. All the popes (our word for Peter’s successors) hold that authority to bind and loose. Couple that with the fact that this is a matter of discipline, not doctrine (where the Pope also has the power to bind and loose). Even people who want the Pope to change the discipline of priestly celibacy usually do not deny that he has the authority to change it or retain it. Because we accept the validity of the Petrine Covenant, we aren’t greatly bothered. They could get married, but now they can’t.
The reason for this thread was not everyone knew.
Your answer was spoken well, and is reasonable as it deals with the RCC. However it fails as has the RCC to speak for all of Christianity.
 
Boy a lot of things are taken out of context here. Look scripture is not saying a bishop or the office of apsotle had to be married. It is saying he can be married and it is to be one time thus no divorce.
Now that is a bigger issue for protestant clergy for you have many pastor, priests, bishops who have multiple marriages and divorces not answering to anybody yet are leaders in their church.
Now that is unbiblical why won’t protestant’s answer how a member of thier clergy can get divorced and remarry yet reamaim in a psotion of leadership which would contradict scripture?
We have bishops and priest who have been married one time instead of remarrying they choose to enter the priesthood and moved up the ranks their marriage life is caregully considered as are their children and how their life is going in order for them to move of the ranks it doesn’t look good if a bishops kids are in jail which happens to protestant clergy all the time I know I used to be a protestant and have seen the pastor kids get in trouble with the law in the early church as in the catholic church today that would be unacceptable for a bishop.
Sure we all know that bishops could be married at one time no one objects to this why the circular argument on that?
Eneogjh already what else are you going to tell me Peter was married. WE know that.
Its amazing you trust catholic tradition on Peter’s wife but not catholic tradition that Peter is the Rock.
We know that scripture doesn’t require one to be married as that would rule out Paul, Titus, Timothy, as they were celibate by tradition as Jesus was celibate by tradition your going to tell me Jesus, Paulm Titus and Timohty could not be leaders in their own church because you had to be married? Cleary it was permitted but not requirred you surely take these verses out of context along with all you other faux points.
 
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Xavier:
The reason for this thread was not everyone knew.
Your answer was spoken well, and is reasonable as it deals with the RCC. However it fails as has the RCC to speak for all of Christianity.
With respect, the Christian world outside of Rome (and we do acknowledge that there are other Christians, imperfectly, but certainly united to the Church) is so very fragmented and divided that if anyone does speak for all Christianity with a voice that can be heard and with a voice that has any degree of credibility, it is the Catholic Church (we usually speak of the Catholic Church, as Roman Catholic or Latin Rite is one church of many in a union, ie, Byzantine Catholic, Melkite, Maronite,etc.).
 
I would like to know who exactly speaks for Protestant Christianity then? The Pope and Catholcism is the only thing resembling one fold and one shephered as desribed in the Bible. I don’t see every pastor and denomination for himself in the Bible.
 
When carried to the extreme (as it was) this line of thinking cause abuse and bad doctrine in the church (see selling of indulgences).
The RCC lost its voice to speak for all Christianity when it allowed this abuse to occur.
 
I would rec. you read Richard Marius’ Martin Luther: The Christian Between God and Death, an excellent insight into Luther, the Reformation, and the Catholic Church. It would dispel some of the fallacies/inaccuracies about the selling of indulgences. And the Church cannot loose what Christ has given Her. The Gates of Hell will not prevail against Her, on the strength of His Promise. She alone hold His Mandate to be the Church.
 
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Xavier:
When carried to the extreme (as it was) this line of thinking cause abuse and bad doctrine in the church (see selling of indulgences).
The RCC lost its voice to speak for all Christianity when it allowed this abuse to occur.
educate yourself on the truths, not the lies you’ve been told or innacuracies you’ve read. At least seek, and you will find. An indulgence pre-supposes the sin has already been forgiven, therefore an indulgence technically, by definition, can’t be sold to forgive a sin.

Peace and Love
 
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Xavier:
When carried to the extreme (as it was) this line of thinking cause abuse and bad doctrine in the church (see selling of indulgences).
The RCC lost its voice to speak for all Christianity when it allowed this abuse to occur.
An individual bishop abuses his power Bishop Tetzel (who was later stripped of his bishopric by the Pope) and all of Chistendom and all her councils and authority given to her by Christ is thrown into the toilet.? Oh yeah that makes sense. And what have you replaced the church christ founded with thousands of bickering and contradicting denominations who by their very number witnees to the fact they don’t have the truth nor have the necessary unity that Christ enabled his church to have.
I guess the apostles should have thrown it in when Judas messes up or later when the deacon Nicholas turned to apostacy. Look Paul and the other apostles constantly talk about fallen leaders in the church but they keep stressing the one church. THey don’t give a hint of starting a church everytime a leader makes a mistake.

Their is no canon law or teaching from a council on the teaching of the selling of indulgences it was never church teaching. I know you calim otherwise please provide the evidence please with primary sources not from Dave Hunt and Peter De la Rosa in their faulty footnotes. Give me primary document and we catholics will give you the case. THis was an abuse of power but not an error in teaching. Big difference. THe church is infalliable but her memebers are not impeciable we are all sinners that didn’t go away at Pentacost nor does the perfection of the clergy exist in the protestant leadership.
 
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