This is very much about oil, a precious commodity in limited supply, laid down over hundreds of millions of years, and consumed by humans in about two centuries. It has nothing to do with suppressing Catholicism. I speak as a faithful Roman Catholic, a theologian working with oil developers, environmentalists, nuclear engineers, bishops, population experts, and resource economists.This is not about oil. It’s about suppressing development and suppressing the future of Catholicism by suppressing the numbers of the population of Catholics and Catholic countries/regions.
Yep. I personally don’t even see what basketball courts have to do with prayer and sprituality. It’s hard to overdramatize just how much oil was so instramental to the 20th century’s lifestyle developments.This is very much about oil, a precious commodity in limited supply, laid down over hundreds of millions of years, and consumed by humans in about two centuries. It has nothing to do with suppressing Catholicism. I speak as a faithful Roman Catholic, a theologian working with oil developers, environmentalists, nuclear engineers, bishops, population experts, and resource economists.
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Doug50, I’ve just returned from the American Academy of Religion (AAR) meeting in San Diego, where I convinced the convener of the “Ecology and Religion” program section that we need a session on religious perspectives on sustainability, at next year’s AAR conference in Chicoago.Yep. I personally don’t even see what basketball courts have to do with prayer and sprituality. It’s hard to overdramatize just how much oil was so instramental to the 20th century’s lifestyle developments.Interview with Matt Simmons from two days ago:netcastdaily.com/broadcast/fsn2007-1117-3b.ram
Doug50, I’ve just returned from the American Academy of Religion (AAR) meeting in San Diego, where I convinced the convener of the “Ecology and Religion” program section that we need a session on religious perspectives on sustainability, at next year’s AAR conference in Chicoago.
The irony was not lost on him (like myself, a Catholic) that we will be talking about sustainability and the end of affordable oil at a conference that brings together 10,000 theologians and religious scholars from all across the US and even the rest of the world. The oil costs of flying 10,000 people around, housing them in fossil-fuel-heated high-rise hotels in Chicago in November, with all the food shipped in to restaurants to meet their needs, and all the soap and water and power needed to launder the towels and sheets of 10,000 guests – all this is simply staggering.
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How would you know? These are highly educated people.Almost none of these 10,000 theologians have any training in science, engineering or economics. .
But, Al, along your line of argument above…I’ve presented databased argument from people who are oil industry insiders with phds in petroleum geology and resevior engineering. I’m asking you to present databased argument from experts to counter those expert arguments that I’ve presented.Almost none of these 10,000 theologians have any training in science, engineering or economics. So, all that bringing up these “sustainability” issues would accomplish would be to cause panic.
Unless, there were some alternative points of view presented on an equal time basis.
Oh, … a slap… not nice … important to learn how to be civil.How would you know? These are highly educated people.
It argues to conclusions.But, Al, along your line of argument above…I’ve presented databased argument from people who are oil industry insiders with phds in petroleum geology and resevior engineering. I’m asking you to present databased argument from experts to counter those expert arguments that I’ve presented.
As well he should be. We will have to arrive at ZPG sooner or later, unless the laws of mathematics change. The planet is not expanding significantly.Very relevant, because Ehrlich was very alarmed about the future of civilization. His prescription for fixing the population problem was Zero Population Growth.And he was wrong.
Sorry, Al, that’s just not relevant. Since this is going around and around unless something new can be presented I’m going to let this thread rest…Find the relevant data that debunks an oil crunch within 5 years (IEA’s date is by 2012). Nobody in the oil industry disbelieves that oil production will reach a limit. The only disagreement is when it will happen.It argues to conclusions.
Consider the discussions relating to the ozone hole and global warming and DDT. Lots of databased arguments. Consider the earlier discussions and debates based on data bases. Club of Rome’s statements on when natural resources would run out. The earlier absolutely positive forecasts by the insiders on when oil was going to run out.
There are numerous well-educated people who make a nice living making forecasts of the mass starvation of the human race. And all of them have been consistently wrong.
Databases are limited in their applicablility to telling the future.
Doug50, I agree. I’m negotiating with a publisher about a volume of essays on the ethical implications of the end of affordable oil, aimed at not-invincibly-ignorant monotheists. Would you be open to my team asking you the occasional technical question?Sorry, Al, that’s just not relevant. Since this is going around and around unless something new can be presented I’m going to let this thread rest…Find the relevant data that debunks an oil crunch within 5 years (IEA’s date is by 2012). Nobody in the oil industry disbelieves that oil production will reach a limit. The only disagreement is when it will happen.
We will know soon enough. Five years.Sorry, Al, that’s just not relevant. Since this is going around and around unless something new can be presented I’m going to let this thread rest…Find the relevant data that debunks an oil crunch within 5 years (IEA’s date is by 2012). Nobody in the oil industry disbelieves that oil production will reach a limit. The only disagreement is when it will happen.
Light sweet crude is at $99.29. The best thing would be for oil to go higher yet. Then we could push the superfluos Hummers and Expeditions and Tahoes into the sea to form artificial reefs for the renewal of our depleted fisheries.Sorry, Al, that’s just not relevant. Since this is going around and around unless something new can be presented I’m going to let this thread rest…Find the relevant data that debunks an oil crunch within 5 years (IEA’s date is by 2012). Nobody in the oil industry disbelieves that oil production will reach a limit. The only disagreement is when it will happen.
It would be easy to get rid of the SUV’s if the legislation that effectively banned station wagons was repealed.Light sweet crude is at $99.29. The best thing would be for oil to go higher yet. Then we could push the superfluos Hummers and Expeditions and Tahoes into the sea to form artificial reefs for the renewal of our depleted fisheries.
I’d suggest your interviewing Kenneth Deffeyes phd geologist with Princeton university, Mattew Simmons, Colin J. Campbell Phd geologist, Congressman Roscoe Bartlett Phd, Peter Tertzakian.Doug50, I agree. I’m negotiating with a publisher about a volume of essays on the ethical implications of the end of affordable oil, aimed at not-invincibly-ignorant monotheists. Would you be open to my team asking you the occasional technical question?
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