Petroleum and the future of civilization

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John Hofmeister, president of Shell, before the House in April: “The US economy uses 10,000 gallons of oil every second (~250 barrels or 1/4 of the world’s 1,000 barrels per second). The US economy uses 60 billion cubic feet of natural gas every day. If you stacked those cubic feet on top of eacth other they’d reach to the moon and back…25 times every day. And if burns coal at the rate of 20 railcars every minute.”

Algea is not going to replace those volumes. And there is no such thing as abiotic oil except to a few people’s wishes.

The world faces a huge energy challenge and I don’t see where either the republican party or the democratic party in this country has awaken to that fact.

I can a speculative premium in the current price of oil. Never mind that the natural gas price increase for this year has well exceeded the percantage rise in oil prices, the thing everyone is talking about. But oil prices are going to rise untill there is a huge demand distruction. The thing that will cause that distruction is an economic collapse. Get ready for it, Al, it’s coming.

Even the Royal Bank of Scotland has predicted a stock collapse within a few months.
RBS warns of new stock market crash "Bob Janjuah, senior credit analyst at RBS (RBS) has warned of a potential new stock market crash this Autumn.

According to Janjuah, he expects to see the economic stimulus package in the US continue to help the Dow Jones rally until July.

After that period, he expects inflationary pressures to effectively “paralyse” the ability of central banks in the US and Europe to help support current financial markets.

This is due to a Hobson’s Choice, a paradox where although more than one option may be presented, only one is a realistic choice. In this instace, of allowing inflation to run rampant, or else try and keep the lid on it by not lowering interest rates.

The prediction sees investment strategies become risk averse, in order to counter inflationary pressures which would otherwise erode the value of existing investments.

The result would be a sell off of equities and commodities and a massive influx into cash and bonds.

Oil Demand to Outpace Supply Growth in the Medium-Term - IEA
"The International Energy Agency has indicated in its medium-term assessment that global supply will find it hard to meet sharply rising demand over the next five years, contrary to expectations in some industry quarters that conditions may soften to bring down the record-high oil prices, according to Dow Jones.

The agency’s assessment, which forecasts conditions through to 2013, sees no respite for consumers as oil supplies will be strained even further, even though demand could fall as a result of weaker economic growth.

The International Energy Agency (IEA) has indicated that robust demand in Asia, the Middle East and Latin America, is outpacing supply growth. The agency noted that worldwide supply capacity is projected to rise to 96.2 million barrels per day in 2013 from 90.4 million barrels in 2008, according to the news source.

The agency has predicted that most of the supply growth is expected to come early and fall sharply during 2011-13, with capacity growth at around one million barrels per day per annum.

The IEA also noted that the shortage of refining capacity is also playing its part in increasing oil prices, as demand is surging for distillate fuels such as diesel, jet fuel and kerosene.

Natural gas shortages, diesel shortages in China and tightening European regulations on sulphur levels in diesel are contributing to the rise in oil prices, according to the IEA."
 
I read somewhere that a 2000 SF algae tank can yield about 10 gallons of Biodiesel a week.
Let’s take that math as a given, ok? Ok…currently, the world uses enough oil each year (31 billion barrels) to fill 2,044,000 Olympic pools of oil (5600 pools/day), or enough oil to make a single pool of oil 25m (82 feet) wide by 2m (6.5 feet) deep by 63,500 miles long. An Olympic pool is 50m (164 feet) long. Here’s the math Another way of visualizing this is: at 86 million barrels per day if you laid each barrel end to end you have a 28in pipeline that’d stretch 1.6 times around the world and since you’d be replacing the full volume of that pipeline every day with an addition 86 million barrels the crud being pumped through it would be traveling at over twice the speed of sound.

My volumes are just for oil usage every day!!! About 7-8 gallons of diseal is made from one 42 gallon barrel of oil.

Your process uses 2,000 gallons to make only 10 gallons per week!!! In a world that’'s IS going to short of water in this 21st century where is that volume of water going to come from???
 
I read somewhere that a 2000 SF algae tank can yield about 10 gallons of Biodiesel a week.
BTW: That was old yield ratios and for personal tanks.

There been articles that say that they can produce up to 100,000 gallons of algae oil per acre per year. This compares to 30 gallons for corn. And the great thing is that it can be seawater used and one of the byproducts would be filtered water. The technologies are not there yet but they are getting there fast
 
Let’s take that math as a given, ok? Ok…currently, the world uses enough oil each year (31 billion barrels) to fill 2,044,000 Olympic pools of oil (5600 pools/day), or enough oil to make a single pool of oil 25m (82 feet) wide by 2m (6.5 feet) deep by 63,500 miles long. An Olympic pool is 50m (164 feet) long. Here’s the math Another way of visualizing this is: at 86 million barrels per day if you laid each barrel end to end you have a 28in pipeline that’d stretch 1.6 times around the world and since you’d be replacing the full volume of that pipeline every day with an addition 86 million barrels the crud being pumped through it would be traveling at over twice the speed of sound.

My volumes are just for oil usage every day!!! About 7-8 gallons of diseal is made from one 42 gallon barrel of oil.

Your process uses 2,000 gallons to make only 10 gallons per week!!! In a world that’'s IS going to short of water in this 21st century where is that volume of water going to come from???
wow thats a lot

i cant even visualize two million pools
 
Let’s take that math as a given, ok? Ok…currently, the world uses enough oil each year (31 billion barrels) to fill 2,044,000 Olympic pools of oil (5600 pools/day), or enough oil to make a single pool of oil 25m (82 feet) wide by 2m (6.5 feet) deep by 63,500 miles long. An Olympic pool is 50m (164 feet) long. Here’s the math Another way of visualizing this is: at 86 million barrels per day if you laid each barrel end to end you have a 28in pipeline that’d stretch 1.6 times around the world and since you’d be replacing the full volume of that pipeline every day with an addition 86 million barrels the crud being pumped through it would be traveling at over twice the speed of sound.

My volumes are just for oil usage every day!!! About 7-8 gallons of diseal is made from one 42 gallon barrel of oil.

Your process uses 2,000 gallons to make only 10 gallons per week!!! In a world that’'s IS going to short of water in this 21st century where is that volume of water going to come from???
of course there a lot of pipelines but boy if we used just one soda straw that oil would really fly
 
BTW: That was old yield ratios and for personal tanks.

There been articles that say that they can produce up to 100,000 gallons of algae oil per acre per year. This compares to 30 gallons for corn. And the great thing is that it can be seawater used and one of the byproducts would be filtered water. The technologies are not there yet but they are getting there fast
At 31 billion barrels per year and 8 gallons of diesel per barrel you get 248 billion gallons diesel usage in one year. Divided by 100,000 equal 2,480,000 acears. Divided by 640 acears equals 3,875 square miles. We have to put them in the desert.

But a question I’ve had for awhile with using agae to produce diesel, since there are already algal blooms in the Gulf already making future oilfields why not harvest those since these are dead zones anyway? epa.gov/futureofscience/invest/harmful_algae.html
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lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

This is a kind of doomsday website, and obviously makes its money off of clicks and purchases for prep-gear linked plentifully on the full left hand column of every page.

However…I must say, this is the most thorough and convincing presentation of the “peak oil” problem that I’ve ever come across and it has left me a little unsettled about the not-to-distant future in our own lifetimes.

Notice that every solution and objection that is commonly tossed back at “peak oil” paranoia (indeed, every objection I’ve ever heard) seems to be addressed; facts give sources, quotes are cited, etc. The only thing I didn’t notice (and I’ll be honest, I did not read everything word-for-word) was mention of fusion technology and the possibility of moon-mines.

Anyway, I would be very much interested in any critiques or rebuttals to the information linked above - particularly any rebuttals to the sites own contentions with common objections to the idea of peak oil. Most objections are handled on page 2.

Interestingly, a friend of mine pointed out that the last time Man was reaching beyond God’s intent, his informational (and thus technological) abilities were scattered to the winds at the Tower of Babel. Considering our aspirations now - martian / moon bases, genetic engineering, human-animal hybrids, cloning, bio-technological immortality, nano-technological invulnerability, etc. - it would not seem surprising that we would once again require a good “scattering”.
 
Sky has not fallen yet. I think the oil producers will continue producing oil for the foreseeable future, then, miraculously, alternative power cars will appear.

No worries.

God bless,
Ed
 
oil is now around $118 a barrel. the leader of opec says it should be around $70 a barrel. people think the high price of oil is because of supply and demand. it isn’t… well not entirely. the main cause of high prices is because of speculators. they buy and drive the Price up as high as they can and then after a few weeks sell.
 
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