Pew Study: Choosing a New Church or House of Worship

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Lovely. It would be great if more parishes are like that.

Guess it really depends on the parish, parish size and place. And people make things happen.

The other smaller parish that I sometimes went to for some reasons, though we would always go to the cathedral, I am pretty much involved in the liturgy there, this parish would ask people who came for the first time to stand and tbey willbe given souvenirs. That was rather thoughtful.
I’ve been to Mass when the priest asked all of the mothers to stand on Mother’s Day and the congregation applauded but never for newcomers to stand. I remember actually thinking about the women who could not stand and be recognized because they were not mothers for whatever reason.
 
I’ve been to Mass when the priest asked all of the mothers to stand on Mother’s Day and the congregation applauded but never for newcomers to stand. I remember actually thinking about the women who could not stand and be recognized because they were not mothers for whatever reason.
Lovely. It would be great if more parishes are like that.

Guess it really depends on the parish, parish size and place. And people make things happen.

The other smaller parish that I sometimes went to for some reasons … this parish would ask people who came for the first time to stand and tbey willbe given souvenirs. That was rather thoughtful.
When I first became Catholic, we went to a parish that would ask new people or visitors to standup and tell everyone where they were from. This was done by the priest after the procession and the opening prayers. I hated it. The Mass isn’t about getting to know your neighbors, it’s about worship of God.

My current parish greets people at the door, welcomes visitors and guests in announcements before Mass begins and invites them and others to meet in the parish hall for fellowship after Mass.

Both are welcoming, but the difference is one does not turn the Mass into something focused on the people.
 
That depends on the parish. While none were great at ‘greeting’ before Mass, certainly nobody around to ask if you were new or anything like that, I was in two small parishes that had coffee after Sunday Mass every week. Lots of people stayed behind to partake, and usually a newcomer would be made to feel very welcome.

In my present parish the K of C have coffee on the first Sunday of the month. It means having to cross the parking lot to go to their hall. Most people don’t make it past their car so if there were 150 people at Mass you might see 10% go to the hall. OTOH, a few times they held it in our meeting room at the back of the church. Then it was much better attended. “Location, location, location” applies to more than real estate sales and businesses.

The ladies have started holding a coffee hour on the 3rd Sunday of each month in our meeting room. I don’t usually attend Mass on Sunday so I don’t really know how this is going – although in our parish summer is not a good time to judge anything since a large number of our members are away.
My large territorial parish didn’t offer fellowship refreshments after Mass as of the last I attended there. I never knew them to. But at the one 5 mi from me, the youth group serves coffee and doughnuts in their parish center after each of the Sunday morning Masses. They ask for weekly sponsors to contribute $100. The parish center is connected. Once a month they have a pancake breakfast. They ask for monthly sponsors to contribute $300 for the breakfast. A third parish 7 mi from me in a different direction used to serve coffee and bagels but again it’s been awhile since I was there. Their hall was between the church and parking lot. Once I went to an Episcopal mission church with the intent of attending a non Roman Catholic church for the first time ever in my life because I had wanted to attend a service presided over by their priest at the time. And from my car I saw a couple carrying in a box of doughnuts which I presume was for fellowship afterwards. But when I got to the entrance, I was informed the Mass might have to be cancelled due to an emergency the priest had to attend to with her father. So I didn’t go in but I was encouraged to come back again another week. I didn’t though and now since then they have a different priest.
 
When I first became Catholic, we went to a parish that would ask new people or visitors to standup and tell everyone where they were from. This was done by the priest after the procession and the opening prayers. I hated it. The Mass isn’t about getting to know your neighbors, it’s about worship of God.

My current parish greets people at the door, welcomes visitors and guests in announcements before Mass begins and invites them and others to meet in the parish hall for fellowship after Mass.

Both are welcoming, but the difference is one does not turn the Mass into something focused on the people.
In the example I gave of mothers being asked to stand and be applauded, it was at the end before the celebrant left the altar.
 
Sermons
Being welcomed
Location of the church
Worship style
Education for children - Christian ed
Knowing others in the congregation
Volunteer opportunities
What I get from this Pew study on the most important things that people look for in a church seems to me to be in three areas:

Community / family
Learning
Feeling comfortable in worship style

Church as community: I don’t think it’s a Protestant thing, as someone said earlier. I think that most Christians want to experience Church as community, especially if you are practicing daily/weekly. These are people who share faith and there needs to be a way to create community through church parishes.

Learning is also important, for both adults and children. Sunday School is important for teaching the children about the faith, and quite honestly adults get most of their teaching from the sermon, unless they make an effort to take classes after the service or on weekdays.

And worship style, which IS different in every church. The Catholic Mass (and all other liturgical branches and their liturgies as well) may have all the same elements, but styles are often very, very different. I, personally, do a lot of head-banging when I can’t hear myself for the loud guitars and drums.

So my point is that if we think in categories of what is important to Christians as they practice their faith, we can make changes where improvement is possible. These things DO make a difference.
 
What I get from this Pew study on the most important things that people look for in a church seems to me to be in three areas:

Community / family
Learning
Feeling comfortable in worship style

……

So my point is that if we think in categories of what is important to Christians as they practice their faith, we can make changes where improvement is possible. These things DO make a difference.
Fair post. In one of my comments, it is the people that make things happen and I think it is true in many ways. Yet, not all parishes have the same backgrounds – whether they are metropolitan, urban, rural, neighborhood, or the size of their congregation which can range from a few thousand to the hundredths or the nature of the parishioners – country, urbane, academic, et al.

Just want to comment on the headings you gave:

Community / family

Catholics are one big family of God. That does not mean anything if it is not translated tangibly in some ways. Thus there have to be some activities too to facilitate it to happen in the parish.

In many Catholic parishes, this usually does not happen in the church per se (chapel), unless it is a very small neighborhood parish. The smaller the parish, the closer is the relationship generally; the smaller is the place, the more time people would have for each other.

Thus you can celebrate the priest or one of the parishioners’ birthday after the mass where they just carry on next door to the pantry; and the birthday would of course get announced and offered in the mass. So you can imagine such atmosphere.

If the parish is big, in our case, a cathedral, such functions can be done more on personal basis initiated by those individuals concerned. We have what we called church’s groups or movements. In our cathedral, there are about eighty groups in the last count. So people are divided into smaller groups. Yes, there are family activities – potluck, picnic, sport and social events. A priest’s sacerdotal anniversary can be celebrated by a thousand parishioners in a major outlet in the city.

You can’t have functions like this done very regularly on the cathedral due to the enormous logistic. But it is done when needs be. Recently the cathedral held a food fair one morning where all the movements are involved to raise fund for its maintenance. It was so successful, the amount collected from the proceed overshot by nearly twenty percent of the original quarter million estimated.

So yes, a church should have the feature as family and community.

Learning

That too. Some Catholic parishes, especially the bigger ones where they have better resources, are filled with learning activities. In our cathedral for example, we have more than thirty conference rooms in our parish center (located next to the cathedral). It is common that if one comes to the cathedral, the car park is so full you think there is a mass going on, but no, these are the people who attend various gathering like Bible studies, prayer meetings, group meetings, sharing groups, prayer groups, et al. Occasionally seminars and even conferences are being held. They sure get lots of things to learn and hear there.

Feeling comfortable in worship style

In The Catholic church, the **one **worship is the celebration of the Holy Eucharist or the mass. Yes, there are other forms of prayers and prayer gatherings but their worship obligation is the mass.

Sometimes I have the feeling that we are talking of apple and orange, when we talk with Protestant friends regarding church .and worship

Mass is a sacrifice. One can imagine the ancient Jews and their families trooped along to the temple and offer their sacrifices. And when inside the temple, they would proceed to do the ritual until they were done.

The mass is something like that. Thus it is not a time of socializing or telling stories and how long it’s been saying you. Even if it is, it would be kept to the minimum or perhaps with a handshake and a smile. Talking in the church is frowned upon as it disturbed other people who need the silence.

It does not matter whether the celebrant (priest) is a highly talented fiery funny speaker or not. He only performs the Sacrament; and as for the congregation, their worship is fulfilled when they complete the mass presided by the priest.

In all that, yes, people sure can make good contribution to make their parish a much better place for humans to gather together. It always helps when the atmosphere is conducive.

God bless.
 
When I first became Catholic, we went to a parish that would ask new people or visitors to standup and tell everyone where they were from. This was done by the priest after the procession and the opening prayers. I hated it. The Mass isn’t about getting to know your neighbors, it’s about worship of God.

My current parish greets people at the door, welcomes visitors and guests in announcements before Mass begins and invites them and others to meet in the parish hall for fellowship after Mass.

Both are welcoming, but the difference is one does not turn the Mass into something focused on the people.
Good (name removed by moderator)ut, bro, especially to our friends who are not Catholics, to understand that the mass is simply a worship which should not be turned into something else. I understand that there would be always Catholics who object if they should see it to be otherwise.
 
I’ve been to Mass when the priest asked all of the mothers to stand on Mother’s Day and the congregation applauded but never for newcomers to stand. I remember actually thinking about the women who could not stand and be recognized because they were not mothers for whatever reason.
Asking the mothers and fathers to stand (sit for those who can’t) for the priest’s special prayer on their days respectively has become common nowadays in our churches. Sure enough, it was done after the mass, just before the concluding hymn, so as not to encroach into the mass proper.

There are women who are not in that category, and yes, they are special cases, and they should be accorded recognition too. That’s the complexity of our society.

We have widows, some recently, and when the organizers asked their children/husbands to give them flowers (prepared), you could feel for those who did not have any. But we can always honor them in other ways at other times. A community church is a compassionate church.
 
Jeanne, I’m not projecting my own attitude. I don’t even recall saying a thing about why you go to Mass. I have no doubt you love doing so and that many do. I’d venture to say a vast majority there do. I would certainly hope so. I was simply responding to another poster who had observed some leaving early seemingly to that poster to be in a hurry to get it done with. I too have seen people heading out the door leaving early right after receiving the Eucharist without even returning to their seats. That’s all. No offense or anything.
Do you know who the first person to leave Mass early was? Judas Iscariot
 
I heard a beloved priest one time say “should the Church change or should people change”?
 
I’m a convert of two years and have probably been in less than a dozen Catholic Churches. How it works in the rest of the world is unknown to me but my first thought is that those that are calling the Catholic Church welcoming, have probably never been to a Baptist Church. At the Baptist Church where I grew up. you are likely to meet 3 or more people before you get to the building and four more before you get to the sanctuary. They are very genuine and friendly.

Maybe it’s a southern thing as the majority of Catholics in this southeast USA city are imported. Can the Catholic Church be more welcoming or is it impossible? I think it is possible but frankly, there are natural barriers that will to be overcome.
 
When did church time become social time? Just wondering
I think it began pretty early.

'All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord’s Supper), and to prayer.

And all the believers met together in one place and shared everything they had. They sold their property and possessions and shared the money with those in need. They worshiped together at the Temple each day, met in homes for the Lord’s Supper, and shared their meals with great joy and generosity all the while praising God and enjoying the goodwill of all the people.’

Act of the Apostles
 
I think it began pretty early.

'All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord’s Supper), and to prayer.

And all the believers met together in one place and shared everything they had. They sold their property and possessions and shared the money with those in need. They worshiped together at the Temple each day, met in homes for the Lord’s Supper, and shared their meals with great joy and generosity all the while praising God and enjoying the goodwill of all the people.’

Act of the Apostles
Was the worship time social time? No, it was worship time.
 
There is a time for worship and a time for socializing. I think protestants get these confused
 
When did church time become social time? Just wondering
Church time has always been social time. I mean mass is a form of social worship. We’re praying and worshiping together which is a social exercise even if Christ is at the center of it.

Now when did more extraneous forms of socialization leak into Christian worship? Probably when Church started to become the only place you see certain people you come across due to the pressures of modern life. And it’s obviously had more of an impact on non-liturgical traditions since there’s not as much of the directed worship present in the non-liturgical traditions. But that’s not to say it hasn’t impacted even high church traditions like Catholicism to an extent to with announcements and socialization before and after mass even in sanctuaries.

Plus to the thread’s main topic, attending Church and which church within your denomination you choose to attend is not simply limited to the weekly mass/service. There’s often a lot more to parish/church life than the main worship service.
 
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