Pharisees blameless?

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It feels as if the Catholic Church is trying to scrub out the times of anti-semitism by taking on this almost Politically Correct look on it that no Jewish person was responsible for Jesus’ death. Everyone in the stories of the gospel had Free Will to decide how things would occur, we don’t excuse Judas for selling out his Lord because it was nessecary for his sacrifice; so why does it feel when discussing the Pharisee who were the ones who paid Judas to sell him out it’s either working as if stepping on pieces of glass or right out denial that they had any part in Jesus’ death?

Is this observance wrong? Does the Church teach otherwise? I’m not trying to bring back this notion that Jews killed Christ, but that Jewish people of high position conspired to have him killed.
 
In actual fact you will find that the Pharisees made up only a small portion of those people who were Jews. The Sadducees, who ran the Temple, were an even smaller group. These two groups along with the scribes were, however, the elite. To hold all of the people of the Jewish faith immediately responsible for the death of Jesus is an error. In truth all of us sinners bear the responsibility for his death. That being said, Jesus willingly laid down his life for all of us. In God’s plan for our salvation someone had to play the part of the heavies.
 
It is certainly true that specific individuals now long dead were certainly guilty of having an innocent Man put to death.

That doesn’t mean that this sin can be attributed to the entirety of the groups to which they belonged.

Chuck
It feels as if the Catholic Church is trying to scrub out the times of anti-semitism by taking on this almost Politically Correct look on it that no Jewish person was responsible for Jesus’ death. Everyone in the stories of the gospel had Free Will to decide how things would occur, we don’t excuse Judas for selling out his Lord because it was nessecary for his sacrifice; so why does it feel when discussing the Pharisee who were the ones who paid Judas to sell him out it’s either working as if stepping on pieces of glass or right out denial that they had any part in Jesus’ death?

Is this observance wrong? Does the Church teach otherwise? I’m not trying to bring back this notion that Jews killed Christ, but that Jewish people of high position conspired to have him killed.
 
I think it’d be correct to say that the worst aspect of our fallen nature-human self-righteousness/pride-killed Jesus, and certain Pharisees were merely the instrumental cause and perfect examples of this disposition in us that opposes God.
 
Because the Pharisee’s had “influence” but not “Authority”. Yes, they wanted JESUS dead, but they could not do it due to the Roman occupation and laws. Yes, they changed the charges they brought against JESUS from “blasphemy” to “treason - HE claims to be King”, so as to further influence Pontius Pilate, but at the end of the trial it was Pilate and Pilate alone - a Roman Governor - who made the decision for JESUS to be crucified. And secondly, he exacerbated the situation by having JESUS scurged on his own authority, crucifiction aside.
Pontius Pilate could have made a decision NOT to crucify JESUS, it was his alone.

This same arguement applies to abortion today. It does not rest at the feet of Planned Parenthood, it rest with the Supreme Court who made the decision “bad is good”.
 
As Julian said, the Pharisees were not the main culprits of Jesus’ death - Pontius Pilate was.

However,
And secondly, he exacerbated the situation by having JESUS scurged on his own authority, crucifiction aside.
From the texts, I think that it was rather clear that Pontius Pilate was attempting to save Jesus’ life by having him scourged and then trying to convince the population that this punishment was sufficient. That was a cowardly, unjust tactic, sure - it is also clear that Pilate knew very well that Jesus was not part of any sort of political rebellion against Rome - but from Pilate’s point of view, he was trying to be merciful.

The main sin of the Pharisees, I think, had nothing to do with their part in Jesus’ death; rather, it lied in how many of them perverted Hebraism by giving too importance to their traditions and of the formal aspects of the Law while disregarding its central messages, and in how they dared to consider themselves purer and closer to God than thieves and prostitutes could ever be.
 
My apologies for not responding faster, I had classes for college and just got out.

Now when I made this thread in no way am I trying to blame the entire Jewish race/religion for what had occured. It’d be rediculous to say such a thing, to put it lightly.
From the texts, I think that it was rather clear that Pontius Pilate was attempting to save Jesus’ life by having him scourged and then trying to convince the population that this punishment was sufficient. That was a cowardly, unjust tactic, sure - it is also clear that Pilate knew very well that Jesus was not part of any sort of political rebellion against Rome - but from Pilate’s point of view, he was trying to be merciful.
This I agree with, it is obvious Pilate seems to believe in Jesus’ innocences as well as the fact that he was no real threat to Rome. I wouldn’t even call it unjust to scourge Jesus as an attempt to quell the crowd; after all that was a slap on the wrist compared to the utter humilation and pain that was Crucifixtion. Not only that but he even used their own traditions to free Jesus, letting the crowd choose between Jesus and a jailed revolutionary/murderer (I forget which he was)

Ok so to get an understanding, it is in no way believed that those Pharisee that conspired to kill Jesus are innocent correct?
 
In reality, I put Jesus to death.

But so did we all. A group of Jewish people were instrumental in bringing Him to Pilate who, in turn, gave the order, but He died because I have sinned. Blame me and my concupiscence.
 
It’s an interesting question, it’s as if the High Priest & his court wanted Jesus put to death on a far greater charge than blasphemy.

Perhaps to make a greater show of His death? Jesus was so popular with the people. It’s possible that His popularity exceeded the ability of the High Priest to attack Him publicly, the people would not stone Him to death. The only option left was to have the Romans murder Him.

During his early ministry, Jesus was taken out to be stoned and escaped through the crowd.

St. Stephen was stoned to death - Saul held the cloaks of the men who stoned him to death.

Saul (St. Paul) went after Christians with vengence until his conversion. He was a pharisee. St. Paul was stoned and left for dead by the Jews at Lystra
 
Jesus predicted that he would “be betrayed into the hand of men” (Matthew 17:22) His fellow Jews incited it, but Gentile Romans carried it out. He also told the Pharisees “because you can see, your guilt remains” (John 9:40-41).

The Lord is the salvation of both Jew and Gentile, partly because both were guilty of His Blood.
 
It feels as if the Catholic Church is trying to scrub out the times of anti-semitism by taking on this almost Politically Correct look on it that no Jewish person was responsible for Jesus’ death. Everyone in the stories of the gospel had Free Will to decide how things would occur, we don’t excuse Judas for selling out his Lord because it was nessecary for his sacrifice; so why does it feel when discussing the Pharisee who were the ones who paid Judas to sell him out it’s either working as if stepping on pieces of glass or right out denial that they had any part in Jesus’ death?

Is this observance wrong? Does the Church teach otherwise? I’m not trying to bring back this notion that Jews killed Christ, but that Jewish people of high position conspired to have him killed.
On what are you basing your assertion? A papal document? A document of the Magesterium? A homily you heard a priest give? A TV show you watched?

You “feel” as if the “Catholic Church” is trying to over correct for something, but on what are you basing these feelings? And, who is “the Church”… the Bishops, the Pope, the man on the street?
 
It feels as if the Catholic Church is trying to scrub out the times of anti-semitism by taking on this almost Politically Correct look on it that no Jewish person was responsible for Jesus’ death. Everyone in the stories of the gospel had Free Will to decide how things would occur, we don’t excuse Judas for selling out his Lord because it was nessecary for his sacrifice; so why does it feel when discussing the Pharisee who were the ones who paid Judas to sell him out it’s either working as if stepping on pieces of glass or right out denial that they had any part in Jesus’ death?

Is this observance wrong? Does the Church teach otherwise? I’m not trying to bring back this notion that Jews killed Christ, but that Jewish people of high position conspired to have him killed.
Allow me to nitpick on this one first. 😉

First of all, based on the Gospels, the Pharisees were not the ones who actually handed Jesus to Pilate: “the chief priests and the scribes and the elders” did. For a good part of the Gospel Jesus often dealt with Pharisees, but the interesting thing is, once Jesus arrives in Jerusalem for the final time, no further mention is made of them. Out of the Passion narratives in all four Gospels, the Pharisees are actually only mentioned twice (once in Matthew and once in John), and in both of these instances, they only have bit roles while the chief priests, scribes, and elders take the lead. It was the chief priests who pay Judas, arrest and interrogate Jesus, and hand Him over to Pilate.

I actually sometimes wonder where this popular misconception of the Pharisees being responsible came from. 🤷
 
Because the Pharisee’s had “influence” but not “Authority”. Yes, they wanted JESUS dead, but they could not do it due to the Roman occupation and laws.
Correct. By the time of Jesus, the Pharisees, while having the respect of the common folk, had no political authority. Nor did they have wealth as a whole since there are Pharisees from all rungs of the social ladder. They were more diverse.

Compare that with their rivals, the Sadducees: i.e. the upper echelons of the Temple priesthood and the aristocratic upper-class. They had wealth as well as political power, being the local collaborators to the Romans: if they wanted a ‘troublemaker’ such as Jesus off the scene, they could easily take Him out (and so they did).
 
14 "I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, 15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock {with} one shepherd. 17 "For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again. 18 "No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. - John 10

But the LORD was pleased To crush Him
, putting {Him} to grief; If He would render Himself {as} a guilt offering, He will see {His} offspring, He will prolong {His} days, And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
- Isaiah 53:10

God, the Father put God the Son on the cross and by God the Holy Spirit God the Son obeyed the will of God the Father unto the cross. One God in 3 persons. Why; to redeem a mass of humaity as a gift from the Father to the Son and in the end, the Son will present the Bride to the Father. This is the whole purpose of redemption; it is not primarily about man, but about the glory of God and the special love between the Trinity that we cannot begin to comprehend. Yes it is all in Scripture.

So are the Pharasees, Jews, and the redeemed gulity of putting Jesus on the cross; only in a very indirect sense that it was the means God chose to use to redeem the elect of God.
 
Jesus predicted that he would “be betrayed into the hand of men” (Matthew 17:22) His fellow Jews incited it, but Gentile Romans carried it out. He also told the Pharisees “because you can see, your guilt remains” (John 9:40-41).

The Lord is the salvation of both Jew and Gentile, partly because both were guilty of His Blood.
Amen! 🙂
 
Let me just do a retake of my earlier reply here:

Very often, you see some folks who (mistakenly) conflate the Pharisees with the Temple priesthood, especially in the Passion narratives. Sometimes, popular art may contribute to this misconception: I could name a few Jesus films which do not show a very clear-cut difference between the Pharisees and the priests. In some of these films, they even all dress alike! This however is an opinion that I feel isn’t accurate either historically or Biblically.

Historically, the Pharisees were predominantly lay sages and teachers. Some were priests, but a vast majority were scholarly laymen. They preached a grassroots, democratic and participatory form of Judaism that is, in many respects, liberal. Their views were were non-creedal and non-dogmatic, and heterogenous. They believed that because Israel is a “kingdom of priests and a holy nation” (thus, every Jew is in some way, a priest), they believed in a Judaism that extended beyond the Temple, applying Jewish law to mundane activities in order to sanctify the every-day world. They emphasized that rituals were not something that is monopolized by an inherited priesthood but rather could be performed by all adult Jews individually or collectively; whose leaders were not determined by birth but by scholarly achievement. All Jews in their ordinary life, and not just the Temple priesthood or Jews visiting the Temple, should thus observe rules and rituals concerning purification.

These beliefs entailed both a commitment to relate religion to ordinary concerns and daily life, and a commitment to study and scholarly debate. In debating and disagreeing over the meaning of the Torah or how best to put it into practice, no rabbi felt that he (or his opponent) were in some way rejecting God or threatening Judaism; on the contrary, it was precisely through such arguments that the rabbis imitated and honored God, who is Himself envisioned as engaging in Torah study with the heavenly court.

The commitment to relate religion to daily life through the law has led to the view that they were ‘legalistic’ (cf. the label ‘pharisee’). In fact, some other Jewish groups were much more strict and legalistic than they were: their rivals, the Sadducees were committed to obeying the commandments of the Torah literally, word for word (without the Pharisaic notion of the Oral Torah), and the Essenes governed themselves through elaborate rules and regulations. In some cases, Pharisaic law was even more lax. It is more accurate to say they were legalistic in a different way than is sometimes implied.

Now, as for their political status. There was a time when the Pharisees held actual political authority (during the Hasmonean Dynasty, 164-37 BC), but by the time of Jesus the Roman prefects and the Sadducees had largely sidelined them. Some were prominent and aristocratic, but the majority exercised power only by virtue of their broad appeal to the commoners. This is why you often see Jesus and the Pharisees scuffling with each other: because they both share a similar target audience. Nor did they have wealth as a whole: the Pharisees were a diverse group. There were those who had money, but a good majority are from what could be the middle and lower classes, who often performed odd jobs just to support themselves. For example, St. Paul was a tentmaker, Hillel the Elder earned a meager living by dabbling in woodcutting and manual labor, and Shammai worked as a contractor and builder.
 
We now go to the Sadducees, which was basically a group - or rather, more like a loose confederation - of wealthy and powerful men of Iudaea Province, which included members of the priestly aristocracy. We don’t know much about them, but it seems that they arose in the Hasmonean period as opponents of the Pharisaic party. Depending on who was in power, they got either the good or the bad end of the stick. Because they supported the Hasmonean policy of military and economic expansion, they gradually came to exercise tremendous influence in John Hyrcanus’s court (134-104 BC). Their influence predominated until the end of Alexander Jannaeus’s reign (76 BC). Under Queen Alexandra (76-67 BC) the Sadducees lost their power, and their numbers were greatly reduced. During Herod the Great’s reign, he marginalized and intimidated them, preferring to appoint non-Judeans to sensitive positions (say, the post of high priest) so the appointees would be more compliant and beholden to him than to the local aristocratic families. The Roman annexation of AD 6 led a newfound respect for the party. They became Rome’s allies in the region and the customary candidate pool for its high priests (such as Annas and Caiaphas). They were characterized by their wealth and power, influence and collusion with Rome: they kept order for the Romans by exercise of religious authority, and the Romans in return kept them in power.

They were heirs to a persistent tendency within the Jewish aristocracy to see Judaism as a temple-centered religion rather than a law-centered way of life: in this respect, they are often seen as politically ‘liberal’ yet religiously ‘conservative’. It is now thought that Sadducean Judaism actually represented a form of Judaism which was primarily concerned for the traditions that protected the central role of the Temple, its sacrifices and cult, and the hereditary priesthood. In this they actually preserved a more older belief than the Pharisaic doctrine, which developed gradually within the climate of the exilic and post-exilic period and evolved and became elastic as times and needs changed.

Because of this conservative reflex to ‘preserve the old ways’ and the fact that they virtually are the ruling majority over the Temple, they were naturally wary of the ‘new-fangled’, democratic Pharisaic ideas which placed huge emphasis on the Jewish laity (“a kingdom of priests and a holy nation”) and did not center itself on Temple ritual.

The Sadducees accepted only the Torah and a literal interpretation of it (all of the laws MUST be followed as it is written, to-the-letter), placing lesser value on other writings accepted by various sectors of Judaism. The five books of Moses are to be the only authority on all things. Because of this rather narrow, limited stand, they generally rejected any notion of resurrection or an afterlife, these things not being explicitly spelled out or affirmed in the Torah.

As with the Pharisees (who were associated with the working-class average joe), the Sadducees were more popular among those who are its members - the upper-class aristocrats and priestly families, as well as local landlords, merchants and people who married their way into such clans. This put them into very hot water with the common people. The Jewish historian Josephus - himself not too fond of them, being aligned with the Pharisees, or so he claims - described them as the “first men”, arguing amongst themselves, having the confidence of the wealthy alone (Antiquities 13.10.6; 18.1.4; Jewish War 2.8.14). The Pharisees’ popularity was threatening for them, because anyone who challenged their religious authority or who brought on social change threatened a power pyramid from which they benefited.
 
Which brings us to the Passion narratives. The Gospels mostly only record Jesus’ disputes with the Pharisees and the scribes (most likely THEIR scribes; the scribes weren’t a separate group by themselves) for the duration of His ministry, though there are mentions of the “Judeans” and “Herodians”. All this changes once Jesus arrives in Jerusalem for the final time.
  • Matthew records four further scuffles between the Pharisees and Jesus after He enters the city: on the question about whether to pay taxes to Caesar (22:15-22), about the greatest commandment (22:34-40), and whose son the Christ is (22:41-45), which culminates in Jesus delivering His woes against the “scribes and Pharisees” (23:1-37). After this tirade, the Pharisees disappear, only to reappear for one final time in a bit role - where they are paired with “the chief priests” (27:62).
  • Mark records the dispute on taxes (Mark 12:13-17) as well as the the greatest commandment (12:28-34). On the latter, Mark only names the questioner rather ambiguously as “one of the scribes;” after Jesus gives His answer, Mark then says: “And after that no one dared to ask him any more questions.” With this mention, the Pharisees are finally gone from the narrative.
  • Luke mentions the Pharisees requesting that Jesus rebuke His disciples (19:39-40): the final time in the Gospel that the term ‘Pharisee’ appears. He then also mentions the dispute on taxes (20:19-26), but describes the questioners as “spies, who pretended to be sincere.” He does not record the question on the greatest commandment (having recorded a similar instance earlier), but here the scribes express their assent to Jesus after His answer to the Sadducees (20:39-40). Like Mark, he notes that they did so “for they no longer dared to ask him any question.” A bit later, Luke then writes of Jesus criticizing the scribes (20:45-47).
  • There are only three mentions in John mid- and post-Triumphal Entry which concern the Pharisees: where they remark that “You see that you are gaining nothing. Look, the world has gone after him” (12:19). The second goes (12:42-43):
Nevertheless, many even of the authorities believed in him, but for fear of the Pharisees they did not confess it, so that they would not be put out of the synagogue; for they loved the glory that comes from man more than the glory that comes from God.

The final mention of them is in 18:3, where, in a minor role, the arrest party is said to be sent by “the chief priests and the Pharisees.” (interestingly, they are never explicitly named in the Passion itself)

Beyond these instances, “the chief priests and the scribes and the elders” assume the role of Jesus’ opponents. They challenge His authority, pay Judas, get Him arrested after plotting about it, interrogate Him and send Him to Pilate, and mock Him at the cross. Luke here adds reference to the “rulers” (23:13, 35; 24:20) and “first men” (19:47) reminiscent of Josephus’ description of the Sadducees.
 
It’s an interesting question, it’s as if the High Priest & his court wanted Jesus put to death on a far greater charge than blasphemy.

Perhaps to make a greater show of His death? Jesus was so popular with the people. It’s possible that His popularity exceeded the ability of the High Priest to attack Him publicly, the people would not stone Him to death. The only option left was to have the Romans murder Him.

During his early ministry, Jesus was taken out to be stoned and escaped through the crowd.
I think the stonings that Jesus narrowly experienced were not so much ‘capital punishment’ but attempted impromptu lynchings.
And, it seems that outside of His native Galilee, He wasn’t well-received enough. John speaks of the ‘Judaeans’ (rendered as “Jews” in our Bibles) who try to lob rocks at Jesus when He preaches to them!

As for Jesus’ crime, if we’re talking about blasphemy against the Jewish God here, that certainly isn’t a charge that brings the death penalty in Roman law: maiestas (treason), fomenting sedition, inciting others to not pay Roman taxes, and being a public nuisance and a detriment to the good name of Rome and those holding its mandate are.
 
I think the stonings that Jesus narrowly experienced were not so much ‘capital punishment’ but attempted impromptu lynchings.
And, it seems that outside of His native Galilee, He wasn’t well-received enough. John speaks of the ‘Judaeans’ (rendered as “Jews” in our Bibles) who try to lob rocks at Jesus when He preaches to them!

As for Jesus’ crime, if we’re talking about blasphemy against the Jewish God here, that certainly isn’t a charge that brings the death penalty in Roman law: maiestas (treason), fomenting sedition, inciting others to not pay Roman taxes, and being a public nuisance and a detriment to the good name of Rome and those holding its mandate are.
Patrick, thank you so much for your excellent historical background. I note that the Jewish authorities told Pilate that hey could not execute a man (John 18:31). I wonder at the source for that claim, unless they had abandoned Levitical law. Almost the contrary seems to be true in John 8:3-6, where some teachers and Pharisees claimed that the adulterous woman should be stoned. Of course, part of this was the blatant hypocrisy of the age.

Also, since Jesus was a rather public taxpayer (Matthew 17:24-27, Matthew 22:15-22, Mark 12:13-17, Luke 20:20-26), clearly that is not their reason for condemning Him. I do note that some of the false accusations made were that he opposed paying taxes to Caesar, and that He “claimed” to be the Anointed - both being false, since He not only counseled the payment of those taxes, but also since He was the Anointed, not merely claiming to be Him (Luke 23:2).

Clearly, Jesus walked this earth during a time of much conflict and contradiction, such as we experience today.
 
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