Philippine priest tells supporters of contraceptive bill to leave Mass

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I don’t agree in kicking people out of the Mass. All should be able to attend. I definitely would have supported denying communion to those who supported such a bill, though in this day in age I’m sure this would have been contested as well.
I just recalled this but I think some while back someone already said that those who would support the bill should not receive Communion. I can’t remember if it was the Bishops or some priest said that through the media.
 
An absolutely ridiculous, arrogant and ignorant statement.
Further shows how poor catechism is in the Church. If only we could go back to the days when the Priest was the only lecturer. There would be ZERO confusion…so sad that the priest has been pushed back in stature.
 
Further shows how poor catechism is in the Church. If only we could go back to the days when the Priest was the only lecturer. There would be ZERO confusion
I’m amazed by how many people think that the Church should bend to the whim of her followers. That is very poor Catechism. The Church is not answerable to the people, its the people who are answerable to the Church. Obviously this viewpoint sees the Church as nothing more than an organization, and earthly institution.
 
By the way, I was in the Philippines last month and began lent there. Since there are no Eastern Catholic parishes in the Philippines, I returned to practicing the Roman Catholic faith while I was there. So I attended Ash Wednesday Mass and had ashes on my forehead. The priest had a wonderful (and lengthy, like 30 mins) homily which he topped off with a talk on the RH bill and in relation to the ashes. He said on Ash Wednesday it is very visible on the streets who the Catholics are because of the ashes. But yet, what is that sign on our foreheads if we support the RH bill? We show other people we’re Catholics yet do not adhere to Catholic teaching. He did say it was pointless and hinted that it was hypocritical.

Lots of good priests there 👍
 
  1. The priest said people who supported contraception shouldn’t be at Mass. He didn’t throw anyone out. Their consciences pricked them and they left.
  2. We mustn’t confuse niceness with Christian charity. There’s a weird sense that being Catholic means tolerating people who practice and promote evil things: “Come up for Communion, even if you’re a hardened sinner”. Like we’re denying them a turn at a buffet.
[sarcasm]3. ‘Catholic Priest Preaches Fiery Sermon’ How dare he! ;)[/sarcasm]
 
  1. The priest said people who supported contraception shouldn’t be at Mass. He didn’t throw anyone out. Their consciences pricked them and they left.
  1. We mustn’t confuse niceness with Christian charity. There’s a weird sense that being Catholic means tolerating people who practice and promote evil things: “Come up for Communion, even if you’re a hardened sinner”. Like we’re denying them a turn at a buffet.
Agreed! But isn’t it more correct to say that they shouldn’t receive Communion? I mean, we welcome all to Liturgy, even non-Catholics. We do not dismiss anyone anymore prior to the Liturgy of the Faithful/Eucharist.
[sarcasm]3. ‘Catholic Priest Preaches Fiery Sermon’ How dare he! ;)[/sarcasm]
As I mentioned in a previous post, this isn’t the first time a priest has made a sermon on this topic in this tone. I heard one while I was there a month ago. No one left that Mass.
 
I was also thinking of the cleansing of the Temple by Our Lord. There is evidence to believe that when the priest is preaching from the pulpit that it is not always him talking, but the Holy Spirit using the voice of the priest. If thought of in this light, it wouldn’t be a matter of opinion if we like or dislike the priest or his particular views, but perhaps whether or not we are being receptive to what the Holy Spirit is telling us.
 
In this day and age, far too many Catholics pick and choose which doctrines to believe. Catholics who openly dissent from Church teaching are in danger of losing their souls. Our priests are responsible for our souls. If a priest knows that certain members of his flock are sinning, he has an obligation to help them get back on the right path. The actions of this priest are shocking. Maybe this is just the kind of shock these people need to stop sinning.

In my opinion, this is “tough love” in action.
 
I just recalled this but I think some while back someone already said that those who would support the bill should not receive Communion. I can’t remember if it was the Bishops or some priest said that through the media.
It is a mortal sin to vote for politicians or bills which give greater permission or support for mortal sin.

For example, if abortion is illegal, you cannot vote to make abortion legal or a politician who supports the legalizing of abortion. But if abortion is legal and unrestricted, you can vote to make abortion restricted or a politician who supports the restriction but not prohibition of abortion. Obviously, since abortion is always a mortal sin, we would love it if abortion were illegal everywhere. But it is better to vote for the restriction of abortion than to allow it to be unregulated. However, in no case can we vote for a bill or politician who would legalize abortion (or in this case, subsidize contraception), it is a mortal sin.

Anyone who receives Holy Communion while in a state of mortal sin commits the mortal sin of sacrilege, they compound their sins. Therefore, no one who supports a bill like the R-H Bill can receive Holy Communion without committing a sin.
 
But isn’t it more correct to say that they shouldn’t receive Communion?
I reckon the priest was already referring to that when he asked: “What is this mass for if you are pro-RH bill? What is going to Church for if you’re pro-RH bill?”.
 
I wonder how many speakers from here would support significantly higher taxes for the middle and upper classes to hep the poor to provide the dignity of life for their children?
If they put the extra cost of this program into better education, the outcomes would be better and far more reaching.
 
It is a mortal sin to vote for politicians or bills which give greater permission or support for mortal sin.

For example, if abortion is illegal, you cannot vote to make abortion legal or a politician who supports the legalizing of abortion. But if abortion is legal and unrestricted, you can vote to make abortion restricted or a politician who supports the restriction but not prohibition of abortion. Obviously, since abortion is always a mortal sin, we would love it if abortion were illegal everywhere. But it is better to vote for the restriction of abortion than to allow it to be unregulated. However, in no case can we vote for a bill or politician who would legalize abortion (or in this case, subsidize contraception), it is a mortal sin.

Anyone who receives Holy Communion while in a state of mortal sin commits the mortal sin of sacrilege, they compound their sins. Therefore, no one who supports a bill like the R-H Bill can receive Holy Communion without committing a sin.
The problem in the Philippines is the political system is as organized as play time in a daycare. There’s about a dozen political parties, many of which are made up as elections near because a certain aspirant didn’t get nominated to represent the party. So they make up their own party. Imagine in 2008 with Hilary just putting up her own party after failing to be the Democrats candidate for president.

Also, most politicians never really follow up on their promises. They will say whatever they think will get the most votes. Being a mostly conservative and religious country, no one will say they are pro-abortion. But that doesn’t mean their minds cannot change. They can easily be swayed by money.

Plus, most people are poor who live on a bout 2-4 US dollars a day. They wouldn’t care what else a politician wants to do as long as they are promised better lives.

Politics in the Philippines is far different than in the US.

Also, we don’t vote for bills in the US. Laws are never put into the ballot. Its always decided by the politicians themselves. The best way for people to influence congress is to sway popular opinion that politicians will give in to people for fear that they won’t get re-elected.
 
Without knowning exactly the content of that bill we cannot make proper judgment.
Basically, the bill seeks to provide government subsidies to artificial birth control. Contraception is legal in the Philippines (excepting abortifacients), but many people are angry that several local governments (including Manila proper), having councilmen who are in line with the Church on the issue, refuse to subsidize their sale and provision in the pharmacies (if the pharmacists will sell them at all; fortunately, there are some of them who still remember what they were taught in Catechism class).

A lot of this issue is being driven by foreign governments, usually Western, who see this as a way for poor, starving Filipinos to achieve the UN Development goals relating to public health.

There was an attempt during the 1970’s by President Marcos to do the very same thing; the Church, as now, threatened excommunication if he signed the bill legalizing it (it had passed his rubber-stamp legislature). He backed down, perhaps due to fears of losing legitimacy, having subverted democractic government already.

Seeing the above comment: There’s also the fact that the President is elected to a single six-year term. So he only gets to be held accountable once in his life, barring something like pulling a Marcos or outright murder or robbery. I suspect that, were he instead limited to two four-year-terms, he might be facing a tough reelection battle, especially once you discount Greater Manila’s disproportionate representation in polling.

Yes, it’s sad that for all Cory Aquino’s efforts in raising them right, her children have been blinded by fame and the accolades of an often morally-bankrupt West.
 
If they put the extra cost of this program into better education, the outcomes would be better and far more reaching.
The problem, of course, is that the middle and upper classes have a lot of money (money makes the political world go round, unfortunately). And they’re mostly in favor of the RH monstrosity (it’s part of the general cleavage - the more money you seem to get, the less time they seem to have for Holy Mother Church). The problem of poverty could also be solved if there were serious land reform taking place. Unfortunately, the current President is not willing to do that, and neither is most of his Congress - how can they, when they’re the very absentee landlords that are the problem?
 
He should not have told them to leave Mass. Missing Sunday Mass is a mortal sin and he could be potentially culpable for encouraging them to compound one mortal sin (RH bill support) with another (missing Sunday Mass).

He should just have used that same force to tell them to not approach for Communion.
Your post is similar to what I would say.

Telling your sheep to leave mass means many of your sheep will obey and leave. When I was younger, I would have left if commanded, figuring the priest was correct if he said that people like me were not supposed to be at mass. But having wrong or confused views about some important topic like contraception does not excuse from the obligation to attend mass. Instead, these people ought to be correctly informed about when not to present themselves for communion.
 
Your post is similar to what I would say.

Telling your sheep to leave mass means many of your sheep will obey and leave. When I was younger, I would have left if commanded, figuring the priest was correct if he said that people like me were not supposed to be at mass. But having wrong or confused views about some important topic like contraception does not excuse from the obligation to attend mass. Instead, these people ought to be correctly informed about when not to present themselves for communion.
This. In this humble layman’s opinion, if I were in his place, I would have urged them not to recieve Communion, but certainly not to leave Mass - they’re guilty of mortal sin, but they’re still Catholic, and still obligated to a minimum participation (that is, attendance) at Mass.
 
Priests have the authority to dispense from the Sunday obligation for the proper reasons, or so I have heard…

Amongst other authoritative abilities…
 
Church consensus
Baguio Bishop Carlito Cenzon defended Ilano, saying the priest was fighting a “life-or-death” cause mounted by the Roman Catholic Church.
At a news conference on Wednesday, Cenzon said Ilano might have angered people but the consensus of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) was to make public church concerns against the “anti-conception” principles espoused by House Bill No. 4244.
Lawmakers supporting HB 4244 are “creating an anti-conception mentality” because the measure encourages people to prevent births by means of condoms and IUD (intrauterine device), “which is preventing the creation of life,” Cenzon said.
“He was simply saying that if you [support] the RH bill, then you may leave before [he] completes [his] homily so you won’t waste your time… He may have triggered animosity in the crowd. That is normal when you make a stand like that and it’s [a hard stance],” said Cenzon.
High stakes
“His personal style was to do it hard and fast. It was, ‘Take it or leave it,’” the bishop added.
Cenzon said Ilano might have erred when he named the people he was criticizing, like Baraquel, during his homily. But he also said Baraquel “need not take offense,” pointing out that “what is at stake is life or death.”
services.inquirer.net/mobile/11/04/21/html_output/xmlhtml/20110421-332367-xml.html
**Cardinal Sanchez returns from Rome to fight RH bill **
MANILA, Philippines — Retired Cardinal Jose Sanchez, one of the country’s three living cardinals, has returned to the country from Rome to help the Catholic Church fight the controversial reproductive health (RH) bill.
The 91-year-old Sanchez said he left Rome, his home for 25 years, because he wanted to lend his voice and help Filipino bishops campaign against the birth control measure, which would allow the distribution of free condoms to Filipino couples.
Sanchez said he came back to the country from Rome to ward off the “tendencies that threaten to destroy the Catholic Church.”
He said he was worried that same-sex marriage, which he said had been approved in Brazil—the world’s largest Catholic country—might also be “accepted” later in the Philippines.
“I did not come here to fight the RH Bill. I came here to protect the Catholic doctrine. (The RH bill) is insignificant as far as the problems of the world are concerned. But I’m happy that it is being faced seriously by the Philippine Church,” Sanchez said.
He said that if the Church fails to reverse these “tendencies” that threaten the Church, there would be fewer priests in the country in 50 years’ time.
“The world is changing, and the evil doesn’t stop. I hope the Philippines will remain a Christian country. But I know the [Filipino] Christians are not sleeping, they keep on fighting,” Sanchez said.
We must continue to pray for the Catholic Bishops, clergy and faithful in the Philippines!
 
I won’t comment immediately on requesting people to leave Mass, but to this part of Father’s comment ,
“What is this mass for if you are pro-RH bill? What is going to Church for if you’re pro-RH bill?”
In light of what the Church teaches, that particular question is certainly warranted. One would think that even a partially honest answer to the question would, in itself, cause some dissenters to get up and leave by their own volition.

Here’s an excerpt from the Apostolic Letter issued Motu Proprio of Pope John Paul II Ad Tuendam Fidem , green bolds mine**

**Canon 750 **– § 1. Those things are to be believed by divine and catholic faith which are contained in the word of God as it has been written or handed down by tradition, that is, in the single deposit of faith entrusted to the Church, and which are at the same time proposed as divinely revealed either by the solemn Magisterium of the Church, or by its ordinary and universal Magisterium, which in fact is manifested by the common adherence of Christ’s faithful under the guidance of the sacred Magisterium. All are therefore bound to avoid any contrary doctrines.

§ 2. Furthermore, each and everything set forth definitively by the Magisterium of the Church regarding teaching on faith and morals must be firmly accepted and held; namely, those things required for the holy keeping and faithful exposition of the deposit of faith; therefore, anyone who rejects propositions which are to be held definitively sets himself against the teaching of the Catholic Church.

Now the “inflammatory degree” goes up several notches when people wish to make this “rejection” legislation.

As Santi2 says - let’s continue to pray for them too.
 
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