Philippines: surge in Catholic population

[quiet52]

Philippines: surge in Catholic population
catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=18722

Let’s hope the new “family planning” statute in the Philippines is overturned by the Courts. We need those Catholic families to continue to have children to carry on Christ’s work here on earth.

The headline is a bit misleading because although there are more Catholics, the per capita rate (Catholics vs. other religions) remains the same.

 

[RandomRhino]

And nearly one in 10 Filipino Catholics consider leaving the Church, myself included.

After seeing so much resistance from the bishops for the RH Bill, I fully understand why so many Catholics think of leaving.

 

[mark_a]

After seeing so much resistance from the bishops for the RH Bill, I fully understand why so many Catholics think of leaving.

Sadly this is so true.

It is the reason that Catholics all over the world leave, even brand new converts.

They leave because they don’t understand and stay gone because their ears are tickled.

It is so obvious that the Catholic Church is not the place for these folks anyway.

What a shame.

 

[_Abyssinia]

And nearly one in 10 Filipino Catholics consider leaving the Church, myself included.

After seeing so much resistance from the bishops for the RH Bill, I fully understand why so many Catholics think of leaving.

731 million is the budget for the RH bill. How many houses could that build in the Philippines, how many business could that create, how many hospitals could that build, how many doctors and nurses could that train and/or pay for salaries, how many schools could that build, what educational materials could be bought, instead that money may be spent on that bill.

What does promoting access and knowledge of contraception do to decrease poverty?

Contraception use should be discouraged because of the health risks that may come because of use of contraception, let alone opposition to contraception based on moral grounds.

The Philippine Medical Association supports the RH bill but have said the following, which is odd, because if they believe this how they can support the bill?

health risks of contraception to women are considerable; the list of side effects is long, and includes high blood pressure, strokes, increased incidence of some forms of cancer

philippinemedicalassociation.org/downloads/circular-forms/Position-Paper-on-the-Republic-Health-Bill-%28Responsible-Parenthood-Bill%29.pdf

Regarding cancer, perhaps they are referring to arm of the World Health Organization, International agency for research on cancer, which classes the contraceptive pill as a class 1 carcinogen. Class 1 also has tobacco and asbestos

monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Preamble/Preamble-IntReport.pdf

Does the government know about the health risks of the following and above contraception?

I do not know if you knew that the contraceptive pill is classed as a class 1 carcinogen, but why should money be spent on something which has this risk to people?

What condoms would the RH bill?

German study found 29 out of 32 condoms have carcinogen N-Nitrosamine

dw.de/german-study-says-condoms-contain-cancer-causing-chemical/a-1220847

Is the RH bill going to promote depo provera?

Study reported that Depo provera doubled risk of transmission of HIV

eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-10/uow–sil093011.php

Depro provera has been linked to osteoporotic effects and it has been claimed that these effects may be irreversible even after the injections have stopped

web.archive.org/web/20051221195621/http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/2004/ANS01325.html

 

[iamcatholic100]

The survey doesn’t mention how many catholics go to mass weekly. The catholic population in America is increasing, but mass attendance is decreasing.

 

[RandomRhino]

731 million is the budget for the RH bill. How many houses could that build in the Philippines, how many business could that create, how many hospitals could that build, how many doctors and nurses could that train and/or pay for salaries, how many schools could that build, what educational materials could be bought, instead that money may be spent on that bill.

What does promoting access and knowledge of contraception do to decrease poverty?

Contraception use should be discouraged because of the health risks that may come because of use of contraception, let alone opposition to contraception based on moral grounds.

The Philippine Medical Association supports the RH bill but have said the following, which is odd, because if they believe this how they can support the bill?

philippinemedicalassociation.org/downloads/circular-forms/Position-Paper-on-the-Republic-Health-Bill-%28Responsible-Parenthood-Bill%29.pdf

Regarding cancer, perhaps they are referring to arm of the World Health Organization, International agency for research on cancer, which classes the contraceptive pill as a class 1 carcinogen. Class 1 also has tobacco and asbestos

monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Preamble/Preamble-IntReport.pdf

Does the government know about the health risks of the following and above contraception?

I do not know if you knew that the contraceptive pill is classed as a class 1 carcinogen, but why should money be spent on something which has this risk to people?

What condoms would the RH bill?

German study found 29 out of 32 condoms have carcinogen N-Nitrosamine

dw.de/german-study-says-condoms-contain-cancer-causing-chemical/a-1220847

Is the RH bill going to promote depo provera?

Study reported that Depo provera doubled risk of transmission of HIV

eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-10/uow–sil093011.php

Depro provera has been linked to osteoporotic effects and it has been claimed that these effects may be irreversible even after the injections have stopped

web.archive.org/web/20051221195621/http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/2004/ANS01325.html

I would much rather have the poorer Filipinos who don’t have the money for contraception be able to get contraception and prevent a pregnancy they can’t care for instead of bring out a baby they can’t care for or seek out a dangerous, illegal abortion out of desperation.

 

[quiet52]

I would much rather have the poorer Filipinos who don’t have the money for contraception be able to get contraception and prevent a pregnancy they can’t care for instead of bring out a baby they can’t care for or seek out a dangerous, illegal abortion out of desperation.

Contraception not only harms the woman, but does not prevent abortions.
Money would be better spent educating people about natural family planning.

Empowering the Poor with NFP
myfemininemind.com/2011/09/empowering-poor-with-nfp.html

Contraceptive Imperialism and Third World Poverty
catholiceducation.org/articles/population/pc0007.html

The Practice of Natural Family Planning versus the Use of Artificial Birth Control
lifeissues.net/writers/wils/wils_01naturalfamilyplanning1.html

 

[_Abyssinia]

I would much rather have the poorer Filipinos who don’t have the money for contraception be able to get contraception and prevent a pregnancy they can’t care for instead of bring out a baby they can’t care for or seek out a dangerous, illegal abortion out of desperation.

If they have serious reasons for spacing out pregnancy, then a much more moral solution and healthy solution is natural family planning.

 

[RandomRhino]

Contraception not only harms the woman, but does not prevent abortions.
Money would be better spent educating people about natural family planning.

Contraception access has been shown in many cases to prevent abortions. Contraception is also safer than ever, and continual medical advances will make it even safer. There’s a risk to nearly everything, including using chemicals to clean your home or eating food sprayed with pesticides. If you believe the benefits outweigh the risks, then that’s your prerogative.

Make sure all contraceptives are accessible, because the freedom to choose your method of birth control is very important. Make sure Filipinos are educated in NFP. The Catholic bishops can vouch for it. Filipinos who actually care will begin using NFP to prevent their pregnancy, and Filipinos who don’t care about what the Catholic Church believes can use a different method so they don’t have to seek out an illegal abortion.

health.com/health/condition-article/0,20326992,00.html
huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/05/study-free-birth-control-abortion-rate_n_1942621.html
guttmacher.org/media/nr/nr_121702.html
thinkprogress.org/health/2012/06/20/502947/abortion-rate-drops/
guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/06/4/gr060407.html
cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57526550/study-free-birth-control-leads-to-way-fewer-abortions/

If they have serious reasons for spacing out pregnancy, then a much more moral solution and healthy solution is natural family planning.

And you expect poorer Filipinos to know how to do that without proper and FREE sex education…?

However, sex education should include teaching about all forms of birth control—condoms, IUDs, birth control pills, natural family planning, etc.

But that doesn’t mean you should take away a woman’s choice to choose her birth control method based on your own morality. Let the woman choose which method she’d prefer and make sure she’s educated about every type of birth control (including NFP). Because a woman preventing a pregnancy is definitely better than her turning to a back-alley abortion, don’t you agree?

 

[ronaldmiller]

And you expect poorer Filipinos to know how to do that without proper and FREE sex education…?

However, sex education should include teaching about all forms of birth control—condoms, IUDs, birth control pills, natural family planning, etc.

But that doesn’t mean you should take away a woman’s choice to choose her birth control method based on your own morality. Let the woman choose which method she’d prefer and make sure she’s educated about every type of birth control (including NFP). Because a woman preventing a pregnancy is definitely better than her turning to a back-alley abortion, don’t you agree?

What an incredibly condescending remark that poor Filipinos don’t know how to do that without free sex education. As a husband to a Filipino she knows a lot more about this than you do and I wouldn’t trust any government person to accurately teach about NFP than I would Planned Parenthood.

 

[RandomRhino]

What an incredibly condescending remark that poor Filipinos don’t know how to do that without free sex education. As a husband to a Filipino she knows a lot more about this than you do and I wouldn’t trust any government person to accurately teach about NFP than I would Planned Parenthood.

My own mom is Filipino and she told me she has a lot of issues with NFP because her cycle is irregular. Basically what she told me was, “With NFP, I just get pregnant.”

It’s great that your wife knows how to use NFP without any prior education in it. But not everyone is able to figure it out as easily.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Contraception access has been shown in many cases to prevent abortions. Contraception is also safer than ever, and continual medical advances will make it even safer. There’s a risk to nearly everything, including using chemicals to clean your home or eating food sprayed with pesticides. If you believe the benefits outweigh the risks, then that’s your prerogative.

Make sure all contraceptives are accessible, because the freedom to choose your method of birth control is very important. Make sure Filipinos are educated in NFP. The Catholic bishops can vouch for it. Filipinos who actually care will begin using NFP to prevent their pregnancy, and Filipinos who don’t care about what the Catholic Church believes can use a different method so they don’t have to seek out an illegal abortion.

health.com/health/condition-article/0,20326992,00.html
huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/05/study-free-birth-control-abortion-rate_n_1942621.html
guttmacher.org/media/nr/nr_121702.html
thinkprogress.org/health/2012/06/20/502947/abortion-rate-drops/
guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/06/4/gr060407.html
cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57526550/study-free-birth-control-leads-to-way-fewer-abortions/

And you expect poorer Filipinos to know how to do that without proper and FREE sex education…?

However, sex education should include teaching about all forms of birth control—condoms, IUDs, birth control pills, natural family planning, etc.

But that doesn’t mean you should take away a woman’s choice to choose her birth control method based on your own morality. Let the woman choose which method she’d prefer and make sure she’s educated about every type of birth control (including NFP). Because a woman preventing a pregnancy is definitely better than her turning to a back-alley abortion, don’t you agree?

A study by the World Health Organization involving 869 fertile women from Australia, India, Ireland, the Philippines, and El Salvador found that 93% could accurately interpret their body’s signals regardless of education and culture.39] In a 36-month study of 5,752 women, the method was 99.86% effective.40]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_family_planning

According to the Institute of Reproductive Health, when used as birth control, CB has a 95% effectiveness rating. Computer programs are available to help track fertility on a calendar.41]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_family_planning

Study by a prof at University of North Carolina found that widespread emergency contraception ‘led to a statistically significant increase in STD rates’ and did not have an effect on the abortion or pregnancy rate

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1465-7295.2012.00498.x/abstract

Trends in the use of contraceptive methods and voluntary interruption of pregnancy in the Spanish population during 1997-2007.

STUDY DESIGN: Since 1997, representative samples of Spanish women of childbearing potential (15-49 years) have been surveyed by the Daphne Team every 2 years to gather data of contraceptive methods used.

RESULTS: During the study period, 1997 to 2007, the overall use of contraceptive methods increased from 49.1% to 79.9%. The most commonly used method was the condom (an increase from 21% to 38.8%), followed by the pill (an increase from 14.2% to 20.3%). Female sterilization and IUDs decreased slightly and were used by less than 5% of women in 2007. The elective abortion rate increased from 5.52 to 11.49 per 1000 women.

CONCLUSIONS: The factors responsible for the increased rate of elective abortion need further investigation.

Virtually every country where contraception use has increased there was similtuanous increase in abortion - rise in abortion in England as contraception use increased. Portugal’s abortion rate rose after oral contraception was made widely available in 1999. France’s abortion rate increased as contraception use increased. Canada’s abortion only started to increased after oral contraception was made legal in 1969. Australia’s abortion rate increased as contraception use increased

Guttmacher Institute said

Fifty-four percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method (usually the condom or the pill) during the month they became pregnant. Among those women, 76% of pill users and 49% of condom users report having used their method inconsistently, while 13% of pill users and 14% of condom users report correct use.8]

guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3429402.html

People who use the pill and condoms correctly get an abortion because for some reason it fails

 

[Cojuanco]

I’ll point out you could provide the Filipinos with all the contraceptives and education in the world, and they’ll be as poor as ever. Why? Because certain politicians and great landlords won’t provide Filipinos with what they really need - more elementary schools, better roads, meaningful land reform (who owns Hacienda Luisita?), an economy that allows for foreign investment. But birth control is cheaper and means the elite won’t have to really give up anything.