Philosophical outlook on Homosexuality

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I_thirst_4_YOU said:
Again and again it has been stated in this thread that it is un-natural for two men to engage in sexual acts.
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depends on how you define “unnatural”.

for me “unnatural” is something that does not occur in nature. therefore two men who acts according to their natural homo sexual orientation is not unnatural.
I_thirst_4_YOU said:
The God of Judeo-Christianity Created the world and “nature” of our beings.
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then only he is to be blamed for people who shows a homo sexual orientation at a very young age.
 
AgnosTheist said:
depends on how you define “unnatural”.

for me “unnatural” is something that does not occur in nature. therefore two men who acts according to their natural homo sexual orientation is not unnatural.
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Since just about every perversion occurs in nature I guess that means anything goes. Rape, incest, eating ones young , murder, stealing, cannibalism et al occurs in nature. per you that’s perfectly natural.
then only he is to be blamed for people who shows a homo sexual orientation at a very young age.
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Since there is no evidence whatsoever that homosexual behavior is genetic this statement is categorically false
 
estesbob said:
Since there is no evidence whatsoever that homosexual behavior is genetic this statement is categorically false
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There is no proof but there are evidences which suggests that it is inborn. like the early ages at which gays show the signs. and the complete failure in every attempt to make them straight.

On the contrary there is no evidence whatsoever that homosexual orientation is learned.
 
AgnosTheist said:
depends on how you define “unnatural”.

for me “unnatural” is something that does not occur in nature. therefore two men who acts according to their natural homo sexual orientation is not unnatural.
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That is a definition of unnatural, but isn’t how the term is used within the context of natural law philosophy.
AgnosTheist said:
then only he is to be blamed for people who shows a homo sexual orientation at a very young age.
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There is something to that, but God doesn’t make anyone sin. Homosexual persons, like all persons, are called to appropriate chastity. For some, this calling is a heavier burden than for others.
AgnosTheist said:
On the contrary there is no evidence whatsoever that homosexual orientation is learned.
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There is actually quite a bit of evidence that homosexual behavior is conditioned in at least some cases and is somewhat similar to an obsessive-compulsive disorder.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
AgnosTheist said:
There is no proof but there are evidences which suggests that it is inborn. like the early ages at which gays show the signs. and the complete failure in every attempt to make them straight.

On the contrary there is no evidence whatsoever that homosexual orientation is learned.
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On the second point: Many studies have indicated male homosexuality is strongly correlated with absent or harmful son / father relationships, which is an environmental factor, not genetic. On the first point, on “complete failure”: The most recent studies indicate that homosexual drives can be changed. For example, one study indicates that about 75% of 18-year-old boys who think they may be gay completely drop both the idea and the behavior by the time they are 25, even without external attempts at change.

Actually, I don’t think anything I’ve written in that paragraph is terribly important, nor would it change my relationships with gays. I was just pointing out that I think your statements are factually inaccurate.
 
mlchance said:
That is a definition of unnatural, but isn’t how the term is used within the context of natural law philosophy.
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please explain.
mlchance said:
There is something to that, but God doesn’t make anyone sin. Homosexual persons, like all persons, are called to appropriate chastity. For some, this calling is a heavier burden than for others.
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the way i see it, giving someone an itch is quilty of making him scratch.
mlchance said:
There is actually quite a bit of evidence that homosexual behavior is conditioned in at least some cases and is somewhat similar to an obsessive-compulsive disorder.
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source?
 
cpayne said:
On the second point: Many studies have indicated male homosexuality is strongly correlated with absent or harmful son / father relationships, which is an environmental factor, not genetic. On the first point, on “complete failure”: The most recent studies indicate that homosexual drives can be changed. For example, one study indicates that about 75% of 18-year-old boys who think they may be gay completely drop both the idea and the behavior by the time they are 25, even without external attempts at change.
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source?
 
Come to think of it, the fact that gays are referred to as, and refer to themselves as, “gays” seems terribly sad to me. Straights don’t refer to themselves as “straights” as a basic self-description. Take, for example, someone who has a Ph.D. in chemistry, teaches chemistry at a college, has won prizes in chemical engineering, is a Cubs fan, loves Japanese food, reads mystery novels for enjoyment, is a part of this forum, has published two books on chemistry, is really good at poker and tennis, and is gay. To call that person “gay” seems so confining. Think of the exact same person, but heterosexual. Would that person then define himself primarily as “straight”?
 
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