Philosophy: can philosophy help me to understand my faith?

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Philosophy can always be a great help, but what’s wrong with good ol’ research?

If you do want to learn philosophy for better understandings, then, you better hang on to your faith because it’s gonna be a bumpy ride.

Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood
 
Philosophy can always be a great help, but what’s wrong with good ol’ research?

If you do want to learn philosophy for better understandings, then, you better hang on to your faith because it’s gonna be a bumpy ride.

Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood
Don’t make it sound so horrible. :eek: Most of us who went for ecclesial degrees were required to get philosophy degrees first. The Pontifical schools of theology wouldn’t touch you without a philosophy degree.

It’s rough, but not so horrible. LOL

JR 🙂
 
Don’t make it sound so horrible. :eek: Most of us who went for ecclesial degrees were required to get philosophy degrees first. The Pontifical schools of theology wouldn’t touch you without a philosophy degree.

It’s rough, but not so horrible. LOL

JR 🙂
I have to agree with JR in all he has posted in this thread. When I was in the seminary our theological training began with Socrates, Plato and Aristotle. I think it would be very difficult to understand Christian theology without a basic grounding in philosophy. Indeed, much of Christian theology is philosophy and St. Augustine and Thomas Aquinas are philosophers. Contrary to what many think, philosophy is not a study of pie in the sky concepts that have no relevancy to human reality. Just the opposite is true. I have always found philosophy interesting and well worth the investment of time and study you put into it. In some ways it is like studying Shakespeare. Knowledge of philosphy, like a good grounding in Shakespeare, will always come in handy no matter what job you may do in the future.
 
Don’t make it sound so horrible. :eek: Most of us who went for ecclesial degrees were required to get philosophy degrees first. The Pontifical schools of theology wouldn’t touch you without a philosophy degree.

It’s rough, but not so horrible. LOL

JR 🙂
Sorry, I didn’t mean to sound so exaggerated. Philosophy truly is a great subject-- God knows I read the heck out of it with no shame whatsoever.

Ironically Yours. ❤️
 
Philosopy strengthens the mind… or weakens it. It is hard for me to say which happens when, but it seems to me that unless one is taught thoroughly erroneus theories as if they were absolute truth, then one is more or less safe, provided one remains critical. As I said, philosophy strengthens the mind, it is the foundation of science, it helps the whole person grow and in that sense, it can’t be bad for faith. What can be bad for one’s faith is some applications of certain philosophical doctrines as stated in that article on Catholic Encyclopedia.

My law faculty teaches some philosophy, as well as a bit of logics, some core theoretical aspects of jurisprudence, as non-electives and the history of political and social doctrines, as well as some extended philosophical subjects as electives. Sometimes when I see modern lawyers, I wish they had more philosophy in them. Sometimes, however, I wish they dabbled less with that, from what the outcome looks like, but most of the time, I’d rather they did more of it.

Certain topics are very hard to grasp with no previous grasp of philosophy. It is hard to maintain any kind of intelligent discourse without foundation in philosophy. Not impossible but hard. There are many, many educated people who, “don’t get it.” You talk to them, they don’t know what it is about. They can’t tell reality from concept. They don’t understand what problem one can have with an, “it exists for me,” perspective. Cicero said not knowing history was always being a boy. A similar thing can be said about philosophy in the context of science (including humanities). Those who don’t have at least some grounding, lack a basic, core foundation, which impedes their understanding of the more advanced concepts or the world around them.

On the other hand, one does not need to be an expert in each individual doctrine in order to be an intelligent, learnt individual doing his job well, especially if it is a practical job. At any rate, can’t go wrong with the basics or the core aspects, unless you have a bad teacher.
 
Is it possible that a lack of proper or complete catechesis in the faith is what is causing the OP’s lack of understanding? Why not get the basic tenets of the faith down, through the authoritative teaching of the Church, then move on. OP did not specify which teachings are troublesome, so we are all guessing here.
 
Philosopy strengthens the mind… or weakens it. It is hard for me to say which happens when, but it seems to me that unless one is taught thoroughly erroneus theories as if they were absolute truth, then one is more or less safe, provided one remains critical. As I said, philosophy strengthens the mind, it is the foundation of science, it helps the whole person grow and in that sense, it can’t be bad for faith. What can be bad for one’s faith is some applications of certain philosophical doctrines as stated in that article on Catholic Encyclopedia.

My law faculty teaches some philosophy, as well as a bit of logics, some core theoretical aspects of jurisprudence, as non-electives and the history of political and social doctrines, as well as some extended philosophical subjects as electives. Sometimes when I see modern lawyers, I wish they had more philosophy in them. Sometimes, however, I wish they dabbled less with that, from what the outcome looks like, but most of the time, I’d rather they did more of it.

Certain topics are very hard to grasp with no previous grasp of philosophy. It is hard to maintain any kind of intelligent discourse without foundation in philosophy. Not impossible but hard. There are many, many educated people who, “don’t get it.” You talk to them, they don’t know what it is about. They can’t tell reality from concept. They don’t understand what problem one can have with an, “it exists for me,” perspective. Cicero said not knowing history was always being a boy. A similar thing can be said about philosophy in the context of science (including humanities). Those who don’t have at least some grounding, lack a basic, core foundation, which impedes their understanding of the more advanced concepts or the world around them.

On the other hand, one does not need to be an expert in each individual doctrine in order to be an intelligent, learnt individual doing his job well, especially if it is a practical job. At any rate, can’t go wrong with the basics or the core aspects, unless you have a bad teacher.
If you don’t mind, I’m going to apply your closing ideas to the faith. It is true that one can learn the faith without philosophy. However, it can be difficult discussing how the Church arrives at some conclusions, without philosophy. You can do it. Sometimes, people look at you as if you had two heads. For example, it’s much easier to explain how the Church supports the hypostatic union using philosophical constructs than without them. Like that, there are other topics and themes in Christianity that are best explained using other disciplines.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
I think learning to think critically and logically can help you understand anything better.

To say the Church fathers didn’t know philosophy might be a stretch. I’m not sure what they would have studied but to the extent they were learning Greek I bet they had some Aristotle and Plato. Even if not, their thought demonstrates logic and critical reasoning.

Martin Luther is the one who championed the notion that Faith must trample reason under foot. The Catholic Churches history has been much more encouraging of reason.

If you look in a lexicon of the bible you will see that generally “faith” is to be understood as a firm belief and trust in God. (It will also mean things like a the Christian religion)

studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=4102

Yes it will say Faith is a gift but saying something is a gift does not really define it. If I say I gave my daughter play dough and you ask “What is play dough?” It won’t help you much for me to say “its a gift.”

Its also interesting to note that John in his gospel doesn’t use the word Pistis (faith) he uses a different word. “pisteu” which means “to think to be true; to be persuaded of.”
studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=4100

Moreover we see in scripture that John, Paul and even Peter would use reason to try to bring people to faith/belief. Reason has been instrumental in spreading Christianity. Our Pope again reinforced this by repeating that Christ is the logos. I think the context was to distinguish Christian faith which is reason based with Islam.

But I also agree that certain philosophical explorations seem to have little to do with our faith and certainly many philosophers said some things that were heretical and unchristian.
 
In my case, I am not discounting reason in the slightest, since faith and reason are the right and left hands of belief. I do not categorize philosophy and reason together, as the two are related, but not absolutely synonymous. I note that Christ chose, not philosophers, but fisherman, suggesting where the greater part of spreading His Gospel lay. If you are Christian, isn’t Christ the greatest philosopher of all time?

If the study of general philosophy can lead you to faith, it can also lead you away, being a double-edged sword. This is shown by the fact that, of all philosophy on earth, only a percentage of it is sourced in Catholicism. Again, common sense cannot be educated into a man, only out of him. Examples of this abound.

We still do not know what teachings of the faith the OP does not understand, so we are still guessing here. I merely suggest that a solid catechesis is the best foundation (foundation - not superstructure) of our beliefs. Reason has been used to explain the teachings, but the OP’s concern points to the lack of a good catechesis. It would be nice for the OP to post an example, so that we might be of more assistance. That’s all.
 
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