Physicists Claim Universe is a Hologram

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Right. What you’re saying is what I meant to describe. If this were the case, our eternal home would be even more of a ‘physical’ world than this one is -with much more area and would include most natural things we have here like waterfalls, mountains, deserts, etc. I’d imagine that the senses we’d have there would include sight, smell, sound, and other senses just like we have here, but would include other hidden senses that we’re currently unaware of in this ‘holographic’ world that we’re experiencing now.
Well, interestingly enough, Jewish sources hold that in addition to the three dimensions of our human soul – nephesh, or biological life; ruach, or spirit; and Neshamah, our conscious mind – there are two dimensions of us still higher, but that do not fit into our human bodies!

Might it be that these higher parts of us await not a refurbishment of our standard-issue human body, as life eternal is commonly thought of; but an altogether higher embodiment, for which the body and senses we have now is the “simulator” or trainer?

FWIW, Heaven is physical. As physical as the holding arms of our LORD!

ICXC NIKA!
 
Right. What you’re saying is what I meant to describe. If this were the case, our eternal home would be even more of a ‘physical’ world than this one is -with much more area and would include most natural things we have here like waterfalls, mountains, deserts, etc. I’d imagine that the senses we’d have there would include sight, smell, sound, and other senses just like we have here, but would include other hidden senses that we’re currently unaware of in this ‘holographic’ world that we’re experiencing now.
Yes, and furthermore, I think humans do have the ability to manipulate certain aspects of the ‘fake world’ we live in, but we dont know exactly how to go about this yet, but I think as time goes on, we will likely learn how to do some of this.

I think it will be discovered by accident and they will suddenly realize any person can change or manipulate something in the world by some kind of mental method or combined mental/physical method. Telekinesis comes to mind, I know a few people have done this on a small scale, but I think its just we have not figured out how to do this correctly and once we do, i think using our minds, we could move large things with ease. Its a just a mental process we dont know how to activate or use right now, but is certainly possible.
 
A better analogy would be relationship between a battlefield and map in the HQ. Reports from the field move tokens on the map. Situation on the map dictates how units move on the field. Does the battlefield create the map, or does the map create the battlefield?
The battlefield is the basis of the map. If the map does not approximate to the battlefield, then there will be disastrous consequences on the battlefield if the orders based on an erroneous map are implemented.
 
Yes, and furthermore, I think humans do have the ability to manipulate certain aspects of the ‘fake world’ we live in, but we dont know exactly how to go about this yet, but I think as time goes on, we will likely learn how to do some of this.

I think it will be discovered by accident and they will suddenly realize any person can change or manipulate something in the world by some kind of mental method or combined mental/physical method. Telekinesis comes to mind, I know a few people have done this on a small scale, but I think its just we have not figured out how to do this correctly and once we do, i think using our minds, we could move large things with ease. Its a just a mental process we dont know how to activate or use right now, but is certainly possible.
In the next life I could see something like that being a reality, but honestly I’m not sure if we’re ready for something like that here… Without an all-good / all-knowing leader, there would be too many disagreements as to how telekenisis should be applied universally. The likelihood of some manipulating it for evil or selfish reasons is far too great. Scandals and hidden agendas would become too great of a threat.
 
What you said about simulations is true only insofar as the “players” in fact control the simulation. In human life, we don’t.
A good simulation provides resistance to the user’s or player’s will; otherwise, it simulates nothing. If a player’s will is that his plane never crashes regardless of what stunts he tries to pull off in the simulated plane, he is in fact learning little to nothing and not being trained or acquiring anything remotely like actual experience, which is the purpose of training and training in a simulator.

Again, it’s tempting to cheat in strategic video games (I like Sid Meier’s Civilization series); however, to do so would just mean easy victory after easy victory; whereas, the best part of the game is struggling in the rubrics (rules) of the game to achieve your goals against resistance and factors beyond your absolute control. The game is engaging and entertaining by approximating aspects of reality, aspects of which the game designers are constantly trying to incorporate in a playable way. That is the difference between a simulation and simple make-belief. It would be like playing chess where you also played as your opponent and meant to win against your “opponent”: easy, as ‘he’ (i.e. you) doesn’t even want to win against ‘you’. But chess wouldn’t be chess if you furthermore changed all the rules on your whim; it would only scarcely resemble chess because you happen to be throwing around chess pieces and have a chess board in the area.
This is more like a chess game in which the pieces are human and when captured, physically die. The game itself is not reality, but the consequences are.
Now this, I think, is an attempt to have our cake and eat it too.

The whole universe is ostensibly something like a hologram. If, therefore, someone “dies” in it, then that whole process and experience is also holographic. The “consequences” are just part and parcel of the simulation. That is the problem with these theories: Ultimately what is “real” and the concept of the real evaporates because, *per force * (given our nature) sensibles just are the basis of reality for us because they are the basis of our knowledge. Naturally, and ordinarily, our knowledge is grounded in sensible reality from which we abstract our concepts and thus acquire or build up knowledge. This was the whole strength in empiricism and why it is culturally and intellectual so congenial to scientific pursuits. In an intellectual system where you pull the ground out from reality (for humans at least) then you can never, as it were, reach first base, let alone get some runs in.

Let us return to the battlefield and map (of the battlefield) analogy.

Now it is obvious that if the map does not actually reflect or represent the actual battlefield, then the soldiers or forces on the battlefield who are taking their orders or instructions from the HQ are in a perilous situation, as their orders are based on something different than the reality on the ground: they are ordered to such-and-such coordinates because the map says it is a hill and, therefore, a strategic position to hold; whereas, in reality, it is actually an open and exposed plain that cannot be advantageously defended and not suitable for earthen works for defense, let us say. Now if it is actually impossible to “know” the battlefield itself, how can we construct a map of it? And what good is a map of some random thing that may or may not be based on something real or actual? Of what practical use is it? It would be hopelessly enigmatic and precarious for use at best.

Now supposing that the world we experience is just a hologram or simulation of reality, granted let us say it remains notwithstanding perfectly intelligible and rational as a simulation, like a good training simulation for pilots. Notwithstanding, the whole things remains fakery and we can never possibly confirm the real-ness of the simulated reality and, again, the whole concept of “the real” is an impossibility for us, because we can never actually know or experience what is actually “real”.

So in reality these theories accomplish nothing more than a linguistic and conceptual shift, with no apparent benefit. “The real” becomes what is most unknown, indeed actually unknowable, and what we call real is merely a conventional way of speaking, as it is impossible to “square” something with a “reality” that we have never actually experienced and, therefore, have no knowledge of. Now clearly this is absurd especially for practical purposes and, either way, people will still use experience acquired in this world as the basis for what is or isn’t real, authentic, actual or true.
 
A simpler way of looking at it is there is a binary level and we are the interface. All the actual work is done at the binary level but the interface is much cooler.
 
What we have to remember is that you probably don’t know the faith of the four scientists. Would you please cite your evidence for your claim that they are all atheists?

What do you think they are claiming in their research papers that is “stupid”? Here are the papers:

arxiv.org/pdf/1311.7526v1.pdf
arxiv.org/pdf/1311.5607v1.pdf

Also, do you think Christ likes it when you mock others? Where in the CCC does it say it’s a great idea for you to stereotype an entire group of men and women of many different faiths from all around the world and say they are “off their rockers”?
Hello Inocente,
First, I was generalizing. I was not speaking about their work, but really some of the farfetched ideas shown on things like “Beyond the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman”

Their ideas that we inside a computer simulation, etc to me are not accurate. Some of the scientists on there (not all) are atheists, as I’ve seen one on Bill Maher who actively says that there is no God.

In regards to the work from these men. I think the term hologram is “wrong.” We are real. Now, is it possible that our four dimensional world (height, width, depth & time) can be mathematically encoded in the fabric of the space time continuum, sure it can.

I look at space-time as a sheet, with gravity being the bend of the sheet where an object sits on it. But that doesn’t mean that the sheet is 2 dimensions from our point of view.

From another dimension, our universe may appear to be flat, but that’s also only from their relative position.

To me, saying that our universe is a hologram is like saying that someone traveling close to the speed of light does not age. They do age, but at the same rate relative to others. If I’m traveling at the speed of light and you are here on earth… you will “appear” to age while I will “appear” to have not aged. But in reality, we have both aged, but time moved at different speeds for us. Physics is almost as awesome as God (I say this because God created Physics - hence the almost) - but Physics is not as awesome as God because God can break Physics.

What I’m trying to simply say in a long winded way is this: We are not holograms. But the fabric of the universe is more complex and “stranger” than most people can remotely begin to understand.

God Bless and Merry Christmas.
 
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