Pick a side on gay issue!

[pira114]

Here’s what I don’t understand.

I see a lot of posts screaming about “BrokeBack Mountain.” Don’t see it, boycott Hollywood, it’s an outrage, etc…

Then I see a lot of posts defending the two gay principals. Many say that they’re just like everyone else. They need jobs just like anyone else. Don’t tell them which jobs they can have.

Seems like a lot of fence riders out there. What’s wrong with picking a side? I have. Which side I picked isn’t the issue, but the fact that I did. What makes everything so confusing and convoluted is all the grey area. We don’t want movies with gay people, but we don’t want you to tell them they can’t teach children. We don’t want Hollywood to reinforce their beliefs, but we’ll let them do it themselves in our schools.

We need to make up our minds.

If they are to be treated like everyone else, then we need to do that and stop talking about it, let them make their own deciscions (right or wrong), and teach our children that they are not to be treated any different. This would have to include segregating them into a minority group, even in thought.

If you are against homosexuals, and don’t want your children taught that it is O.K., then you need to take a stand against them every time. Not just when it’s in Hollywood.

I just don’t understand why people are afraid to pick a side, take a stand, and voice their opinion and live their life accordingly.

 

[goofyjim]

pira114:

Here’s what I don’t understand.

I see a lot of posts screaming about “BrokeBack Mountain.” Don’t see it, boycott Hollywood, it’s an outrage, etc…

Then I see a lot of posts defending the two gay principals. Many say that they’re just like everyone else. They need jobs just like anyone else. Don’t tell them which jobs they can have.

Seems like a lot of fence riders out there. What’s wrong with picking a side? I have. Which side I picked isn’t the issue, but the fact that I did. What makes everything so confusing and convoluted is all the grey area. We don’t want movies with gay people, but we don’t want you to tell them they can’t teach children. We don’t want Hollywood to reinforce their beliefs, but we’ll let them do it themselves in our schools.

We need to make up our minds.

If they are to be treated like everyone else, then we need to do that and stop talking about it, let them make their own deciscions (right or wrong), and teach our children that they are not to be treated any different. This would have to include segregating them into a minority group, even in thought.

If you are against homosexuals, and don’t want your children taught that it is O.K., then you need to take a stand against them every time. Not just when it’s in Hollywood.

I just don’t understand why people are afraid to pick a side, take a stand, and voice their opinion and live their life accordingly.

There are those with Same sex attraction who don’t act on it. So it’s not so simple as being for or against homosexuals.

 

[gilliam]

goofyjim:

There are those with Same sex attraction who don’t act on it. So it’s not so simple as being for or against homosexuals.

Amen. Catholics should be against sin. The sin is homosexual sexual behavior, not temptations. Temptations are not good, but to resist temptation is good.

 

[cheese_sdc]

I have picked a side.

I support the right of any couple to get civilly married without the government deciding who can get married.

I support the churches in not extending sacramental marriage to couples they deem unacceptable.

I support the right of Hollywood to make any kind of movie they want.

I also support the right of people to go or not go to a movie they don’t like.

 

[Rand_Al_Thor]

cheese_sdc:

I support the right of any couple to get civilly married without the government deciding who can get married.

Peace be with you!

Translation: “I support the right of any couple to live in sin and place their salvation in jeopardy.”
This is the same as saying “I am personally against abortion, but I support the right of people to get one without the government deciding.”

You do realize that if gays are allowed to legally marry, then by law that will have to be taught as an acceptable lifestyle to children starting in elementary school, don’t you?

Everyone has an equal right to marry. There is no law in existance (and never will be) that prohibits gay people from getting married…all they have to do is marry someone of the opposite sex. That’s the same right that heterosexual people have. Gays would not be recieving equal treatment if gay marriage were legalized; they would be recieving SPECIAL treatment.

In Christ,
Rand

 

[mlchance]

cheese_sdc:

I support the right of any couple to get civilly married without the government deciding who can get married.

Any couple? If a man wants to marry his daughter? A mother her son? A brother his brother? Would these couples also earn your support.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[LilyM]

Rand Al'Thor:

Peace be with you!

Translation: “I support the right of any couple to live in sin and place their salvation in jeopardy.”
This is the same as saying “I am personally against abortion, but I support the right of people to get one without the government deciding.”

You do realize that if gays are allowed to legally marry, then by law that will have to be taught as an acceptable lifestyle to children starting in elementary school, don’t you?

Everyone has an equal right to marry. There is no law in existance (and never will be) that prohibits gay people from getting married…all they have to do is marry someone of the opposite sex. That’s the same right that heterosexual people have. Gays would not be recieving equal treatment if gay marriage were legalized; they would be recieving SPECIAL treatment.

In Christ,
Rand

I’m not sure it’s quite so black and white as you make it out. After all, extramarital relationships are against the faith, but are recognised as conferring legal rights if monogamous and longlasting. Doesn’t mean that schoolchildren are really taught or believe that adultery is OK. Besides which, the Church certainly doesn’t believe in any other form of discrimination against homosexual people - in fact it teaches that for the most part it’s wrong to discriminate against them.

To my mind it’s not so much about validating the relationship as protecting partners (who inevitably invest a lot into a relationship and also become somewhat dependent on each other) in the event that the partnership breaks up. Just like a business partnership has to be formalised so that the assets and futures of the partners are protected

It certainly doesn’t have to be called marriage and I don’t think it should be - in Britain it’s called a civil union. I suspect most homosexual people wouldn’t care whether or not it’s called marriage anyways. In this way the distinction can be preserved as it is in extramarital relationships.

 

[goofyjim]

There are far too many threads on this issue. I think I’ll have to give up CAF for Lent. Starts in 4 days folks.

 

[GloriaPatri4]

goofyjim:

There are those with Same sex attraction who don’t act on it. So it’s not so simple as being for or against homosexuals.

If chaste people with SSA are never going to act on their impulses, give in to their temptations why in the world do they need to let everyone know what their sexual orientation is? You never hear about people with an sexual attraction to animals broadcasting their desires and you know why because beastiality hasn’t been accepted and normalized in our society like homosexuality has.

 

[GloriaPatri4]

Seems like a lot of fence riders out there. What’s wrong with picking a side? I have. Which side I picked isn’t the issue, but the fact that I did. What makes everything so confusing and convoluted is all the grey area. We don’t want movies with gay people, but we don’t want you to tell them they can’t teach children. We don’t want Hollywood to reinforce their beliefs, but we’ll let them do it themselves in our schools.

I just don’t understand why people are afraid to pick a side, take a stand, and voice their opinion and live their life accordingly.

I’ve been wondering the exact same thing.

The quote from Dante below should give you some comfort

**The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality.
**

 

[Rand_Al_Thor]

Peace be with you!

LilyM:

I’m not sure it’s quite so black and white as you make it out. After all, extramarital relationships are against the faith, but are recognised as conferring legal rights if monogamous and longlasting. Doesn’t mean that schoolchildren are really taught or believe that adultery is OK. Besides which, the Church certainly doesn’t believe in any other form of discrimination against homosexual people - in fact it teaches that for the most part it’s wrong to discriminate against them.

I am not in support of unmarried people recieving benefits for living together either. Nor do I approve of adultery. Schoolchildren are not taught that adultery is OK because there is no law saying adultery is OK. If there was a law that defined gay marriage as being perfectly OK, then it would have to be taught to children in schools. That has already stirred a great deal of controversy…have you not heard that yet? And like I said (had you read my entire post), prohibiting gay people from marrying within the same sex is not discrimination–they already have the SAME rights as EVERYONE ELSE when it comes to marriage.

LilyM:

To my mind it’s not so much about validating the relationship as protecting partners (who inevitably invest a lot into a relationship and also become somewhat dependent on each other) in the event that the partnership breaks up. Just like a business partnership has to be formalised so that the assets and futures of the partners are protected

It certainly doesn’t have to be called marriage and I don’t think it should be - in Britain it’s called a civil union. I suspect most homosexual people wouldn’t care whether or not it’s called marriage anyways. In this way the distinction can be preserved as it is in extramarital relationships.

Again, I don’t support premarital relationships that involve cohabitating or extramarital relationships. So this argument carries no weight because you’re comparing gay marriage to two things the Catholic Church ALSO teaches are gravely immoral.

In Christ,
Rand

 

[TZiggy]

Broke Back Mountain collapsed under it’s own weight. Hollwood awards not withstanding, it barely made it’s production costs back at the box office. Even Hollowood elites didn’t watch it.
In my humble opinion, these people and their agenda need less attention from everyone. That doesn’t mean we allow them free reign to poison our schools, churches or other institutions. It means we give them enough rope to hang themselves. Their increasingly shrill and foolish positions are doing what no boycott could possibly achieve.

 

[goofyjim]

If chaste people with SSA are never going to act on their impulses, give in to their temptations why in the world do they need to let everyone know what their sexual orientation is? You never hear about people with an sexual attraction to animals broadcasting their desires and you know why because beastiality hasn’t been accepted and normalized in our society like homosexuality has.

Because we shouldn’t have to go it alone in our struggles. We’re broadcasting our heterosexual temptations all the time. This kind of thinking would never have allowed a support group like Courage to develop and then there might have been many who still commit suicide even though they only experience the attraction. Please.

 

[Libero]

You do realize that if gays are allowed to legally marry, then by law that will have to be taught as an acceptable lifestyle to children starting in elementary school, don’t you?

What!! - Thats just stupid - why on earth is that? My mum is a Catholic primary school teacher, and our country has had Civil Unions for over two months now, my mum has never had to teach that it is acceptable, or that it isn’t, the issue has never ever come up…

 

[Christus_Rex]

goofyjim:

There are those with Same sex attraction who don’t act on it. So it’s not so simple as being for or against homosexuals.

 

[Rand_Al_Thor]

Libero:

What!! - Thats just stupid - why on earth is that? My mum is a Catholic primary school teacher, and our country has had Civil Unions for over two months now, my mum has never had to teach that it is acceptable, or that it isn’t, the issue has never ever come up…

Peace be with you!

Exactly–your mom is a CATHOLIC SCHOOL teacher. I’m talking about public schools, and public schools in the US, not in the UK. It’s already been discussed in my state, where just last year we voted on gay marriage. My mom is also an elementary school teacher, and she teaches at a public school. She told me that the issue had come up during the time before the vote on whether or not public school teachers would have to teach that homosexuality was an acceptable lifestyle.

In Christ,
Rand

 

[Riley259]

pira114:

Here’s what I don’t understand.

I see a lot of posts screaming about “BrokeBack Mountain.” Don’t see it, boycott Hollywood, it’s an outrage, etc…

Then I see a lot of posts defending the two gay principals. Many say that they’re just like everyone else. They need jobs just like anyone else. Don’t tell them which jobs they can have.

Seems like a lot of fence riders out there. What’s wrong with picking a side? I have. Which side I picked isn’t the issue, but the fact that I did. What makes everything so confusing and convoluted is all the grey area. We don’t want movies with gay people, but we don’t want you to tell them they can’t teach children. We don’t want Hollywood to reinforce their beliefs, but we’ll let them do it themselves in our schools.

We need to make up our minds.

If they are to be treated like everyone else, then we need to do that and stop talking about it, let them make their own deciscions (right or wrong), and teach our children that they are not to be treated any different. This would have to include segregating them into a minority group, even in thought.

If you are against homosexuals, and don’t want your children taught that it is O.K., then you need to take a stand against them every time. Not just when it’s in Hollywood.

I just don’t understand why people are afraid to pick a side, take a stand, and voice their opinion and live their life accordingly.

Be charitable and loving but never compromise the truth - a tough thing to do but necessary with this issue.

 

[Liberalsaved]

I’m for gay rights.

See, it wasn’t that hard.

 

[MikeinSD]

Riley259:

Be charitable and loving but never compromise the truth - a tough thing to do but necessary with this issue.

a shame so many good Christians don’t stand for the truth when their married children use birth control. Tell their married children that they are wrong and not invited into good Christians’ homes while they are using birth control.

But then that would put good Christian parents in the minority. Also might cut them off from the grandkids. Weird how such black and white moral issues suddenly develop all sorts of shades of gray when applied to decent faithful folks.

I think it’s easy (as a unmarried man). Just refuse to let yr kids into your house as long as they are using ABC. I personally have no problem with that. Therefore why should anyone else? Tough but necessary.

 

[soulspeak23]

Rand Al'Thor:

Peace be with you!

Exactly–your mom is a CATHOLIC SCHOOL teacher. I’m talking about public schools, and public schools in the US, not in the UK. It’s already been discussed in my state, where just last year we voted on gay marriage. My mom is also an elementary school teacher, and she teaches at a public school. She told me that the issue had come up during the time before the vote on whether or not public school teachers would have to teach that homosexuality was an acceptable lifestyle.

In Christ,
Rand

I honestly don’t remember being taught about heterosexuality in all my public school years either. It was really just math, science, social studies, history, english and the like. I don’t ever recall taking the “sexuality class”. Everyone seems so concerned that it wil have to be taught in schools, but the whole topic isn’t even in school until college. Yes, we had the “health” class in high school, but all that did was teach about your body and how it was changing at the time. I don’t see how this issue fits into whats going to be taught to grade school children.