Pictures are worth a thousand words

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Mostly they make me incredibly sad for what some people have done to the Holy Mass. It truly is heartbreaking.

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Then, after I’m done being sad, I am TOTALLY cheesed off to no end. :mad:

~Liza
 
The God of the Old Testament and Our Lord Jesus Christ of the New Testament (understanding that both testaments are all about Our Lord Jesus)…are all about…“choosing”…“dividing”-- in a nutshell making us, His followers, declare where we stand…for whom we stand: Our Almighty Lord or Our Almighty Self. In the good old U.S.A…the Our Almighty Self usually takes precedence.

Or as Peter Kreeft (Prof Boston College) says:

“excuse me Jesus (St.Peter – Benedict-XVI)…but, I believe that you are sitting on my throne…in my Chair (Ex Cathedra)”. Thank you very much…have a nice day!

These pictures don’t surprise me…don’t shock me…but they do make me want to be more sacrificial and penitential in my Journey of Faith as a Catholic…because the people in these pictures are my brothers and sisters in Christ.

Pax Christi
 
WhollyRoamin said:
Some make me roll my eyes. Others make me mad.

Likewise:
http://www.whollyroamincatholic.com/images/lifeteen.jpg

But I am a cranky fuddy duddy.
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This image is a special youth mass. There are no abuses here. For participants it is a very rare and special thing to be this involved in the Mass. A celebration like this should never be considered a norm for any congregation. But as a culmination to a retreat it is verry solumn and appropriate. This type of liturgical freedom is one of the benefits of the NO.
 
LUISV said:
This image is a special youth mass. There are no abuses here. For participants it is a very rare and special thing to be this involved in the Mass. A celebration like this should never be considered a norm for any congregation. But as a culmination to a retreat it is verry solumn and appropriate. This type of liturgical freedom is one of the benefits of the NO.
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To be honest, the pictures make me sad. Defenses of such abuses such as the one above make me angry. The next thing from that poster will be an incredulous query as to what could possibly be wrong with that “youth mass”. I will not be participating in that discussion because it would be nothing but a near occasion of sin for me. But if somebody else has the patience to do it in charity, then God bless you.
 
Do you think it would it be better if these young adults spent their time at a nightclub?

Bad taste does not equal bad faith.

God’s grace can reach you even in bad liturgical settings.
 
WhollyRoamin said:
Some make me roll my eyes. Others make me mad.

Likewise:
http://www.whollyroamincatholic.com/images/lifeteen.jpg

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This is the “Norm” at our Life Teen Mass. The teens interlock their arms just like that but only gather around 3 sides and not behind the altar. I personally don’t like it… but it is only for that Mass… we have 5 other Masses on Sunday and the vigil on Saturday, so we only go the Life Teen Mass on rare occasions.

Just a note on the OP pics… I’m pretty sure that the 5th one down is actually Pope John Paul II during a visit abroad (given the date on the headdress)… maybe someone can correct me.

Paul
 
there were two problems with the retreat mass. A priest is not supposed to invite the congregation around the altar and the proper position during the consecration is kneeling. This isn’t a benefit, it is an abuse. It may feel good - heck, I know, I participated in those back in the 80’s, but that doesn’t change the problem. I guess when I see it, I am sad because of ignorance. It is a tad more troubling when it gets defended.
 
LUISV said:
This image is a special youth mass. There are no abuses here. For participants it is a very rare and special thing to be this involved in the Mass. A celebration like this should never be considered a norm for any congregation. But as a culmination to a retreat it is verry solumn and appropriate. This type of liturgical freedom is one of the benefits of the NO.
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Every sentence you typed is wrong. Sorry.
 
Paul2274 said:
Just a note on the OP pics… I’m pretty sure that the 5th one down is actually Pope John Paul II during a visit abroad (given the date on the headdress)… maybe someone can correct me.

Paul
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It is a picture of Pope John Paul II. However, it was not taken in the context of the liturgy so I’m curious as to why the OP choose to include it with the other pictures.
 
LUISV said:
This image is a special youth mass. There are no abuses here. For participants it is a very rare and special thing to be this involved in the Mass. A celebration like this should never be considered a norm for any congregation. But as a culmination to a retreat it is verry solumn and appropriate. This type of liturgical freedom is one of the benefits of the NO.
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Actually it is NOT allowed, and the Vatican has been very clear on that.
 
Eucharisted said:
Poor Mass, poor clothing, poor souls. Let us pray for them.
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You guys remind me of modern day Pharasees…

"And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?

Matthew 9:10-13 (New International Version)

10While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and “sinners” came and ate with him and his disciples. 11When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and ‘sinners’?”

12On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

Matthew 12:1-7 (New International Version)

Matthew 12
Lord of the Sabbath
1At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”

3He answered, "Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5Or haven’t you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent? 6I tell you that one[a] greater than the temple is here. 7If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’** you would not have condemned the innocent.

Matthew 15
Clean and Unclean
1Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2"Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!"

3Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?**
 
“Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5Or haven’t you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent? 6I tell you that one[a] greater than the temple is here. 7If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’** you would not have condemned the innocent.”**
 
I too used to get sad when I see pictures like this until I realise and discovered that a lot of what is passed off as RC NO at its worst is actually protestantism at is best.

Many of those pics doing the rounds are of protestant prayer services or worship or services of Holy Communion. Check it out for yourself.
 
Fergal said:
I too used to get sad when I see pictures like this until I realise and discovered that a lot of what is passed off as RC NO at its worst is actually protestantism at is best.

Many of those pics doing the rounds are of protestant prayer services or worship or services of Holy Communion. Check it out for yourself.
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Agreed. This has happened more than once here. A picture may be worth more than a thousand words but anonymous, unverified pictures are worth very little.
 
firstmode said:
“Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5Or haven’t you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent? 6I tell you that one[a] greater than the temple is here. 7If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’** you would not have condemned the innocent.”**

This is a good example of the quote from St. Thomas: “In the case of necessity there is no law”, that applies to the actions of Archbishop Lefebvre which were necessary to preserve the Traditional Mass from the hierarchy who sought to supress it illegally by implying that it had been replaced by the New Mass and was forbidden.

Who the quote doesn’t apply to are those who violate the rubrics simply because they feel like it. We find an example of what God thinks of such such action by researching the old Testament. In so doing we will find that the Jewish High Priest, who entered the Holy of Holies to offer the sacrifice, had a rope tied around his leg. Why? Because if the priest violated the rubics God would strike him dead on the spot. And since no one was permitted to enter the Holy of Holies but the High Priest, the rope would enable the others to drag his dead body out by the rope.

Sometimes I wish we would return to those days. God would probably only have to strike dead a half dozen Priests before the rest got word straightened up.
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Yours_Truly said:
This is a good example of the quote from St. Thomas: “In the case of necessity there is no law”, that applies to the actions of Archbishop Lefebvre which were necessary to preserve the Traditional Mass from the hierarchy who sought to supress it illegally by implying that it had been replaced by the New Mass and was forbidden.
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Oh, please. I think you assume too much when you think St Thomas would approve of open opposition to Church law.
 
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