Pictures of Beautiful "Catholic Mass and Procession"....but is it Catholic?

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liturgyluver said:
The Archbishop of Canturbury.

archbishopofcanterbury.org/pages/church-of-england.html

The Church of England is organised into two provinces; each led by an archbishop (Canterbury for the Southern Province and York for the Northern).

The foundation of the See of Canterbury by St Augustine dates from 597, and the division of the English Church into the two provinces of Canterbury and York from 735 Each province has a principal bishop – an archbishop who has personal authority and jurisdiction at all times as the so-called ‘metropolitan’. Since medieval times each has been acknowledged as a ‘primate’ (ie, bishop of the first see) of the church in England, Canterbury being the acknowledged since 1353 as the senior with the title of ‘Primate of All England’. (Until 1920 the Province of Canterbury, and thus the Church of England, also included the bishops and dioceses in Wales.)

As metropolitan archbishops, Canterbury and York each have the right and the obligation to confirm the election of new diocesan bishops, and to ordain all new bishops within their province. In connection with this responsibility, the influence of both archbishops in the senior appointments has grown immensely in the last century. Alternately they chair sessions of the Crown Nominations Commission whose job it is to identify and approve candidates for appointment as diocesan bishops the Church of England.
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Maybe somebody should tell the Queen that the information on the Official website of the British Monarchy is incorrect?

royal.gov.uk/MonarchUK/QueenandChurch/QueenandtheChurchofEngland.aspx
The General Synod (including the bishops, elected representatives from the clergy and the laity)** is the supreme authority of the Church of England. **The Queen opens the Synod after the elections in the dioceses every five years.

Since 1919, the Synod (formerly called the Church Assembly) has had the power to pass Measures on any matter concerning the Church of England.
Following acceptance of the Measures by both Houses of Parliament (which cannot amend them), they are submitted for Royal Assent and become law.
In addition to legislating for the Church by Measure, the General Synod has the power to legislate by Canon in its own domestic affairs such as worship and doctrine, but The Queen’s assent is required for the promulgation of such Canons. Such assent is given on the Home Secretary’s advice.
In his or her coronation oath, the Sovereign promises to maintain the Church.
The Sovereign must be in communion with the Church of England, that is, a full, confirmed member.

The Preface to the 39 Articles of the Church of England describes the monarch as ‘being by God’s Ordinance, according to Our just Title, Defender of the Faith and … Supreme Governor of the Church of England’.
 
zab said:
Maybe somebody should tell the Queen that the information on the Official website of the British Monarchy is incorrect?

royal.gov.uk/MonarchUK/QueenandChurch/QueenandtheChurchofEngland.aspx
The General Synod (including the bishops, elected representatives from the clergy and the laity)** is the supreme authority of the Church of England. **The Queen opens the Synod after the elections in the dioceses every five years.

Since 1919, the Synod (formerly called the Church Assembly) has had the power to pass Measures on any matter concerning the Church of England.
Following acceptance of the Measures by both Houses of Parliament (which cannot amend them), they are submitted for Royal Assent and become law.
In addition to legislating for the Church by Measure, the General Synod has the power to legislate by Canon in its own domestic affairs such as worship and doctrine, but The Queen’s assent is required for the promulgation of such Canons. Such assent is given on the Home Secretary’s advice.
In his or her coronation oath, the Sovereign promises to maintain the Church.
The Sovereign must be in communion with the Church of England, that is, a full, confirmed member.

The Preface to the 39 Articles of the Church of England describes the monarch as ‘being by God’s Ordinance, according to Our just Title, Defender of the Faith and … Supreme Governor of the Church of England’.
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They certainly should remove the reference to her being the Head. But, there is nothing innacurate in the section above which you have quoted With regards to the General Synod, the Queen merely opens this (every five years) but it is chaired by the Archbishops and includes Bishops, Priests and elected lay People.
 
zab said:
Maybe somebody should tell the Queen that the information on the Official website of the British Monarchy is incorrect?[/INDENT]
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The information was probably put there by the same civil servants who believe and teach that all priests have to be Christians. When it was pointed out that Shinto priests and Pagan priests are not Christians, they refused to entertain the notion that they were wrong. They also ignored all the other corrections and questions. There is no excuse as they could (and should) have consulted with their religious colleagues i.e the priests and other religious on the Government payroll. But then they also have a load of weirder ideas. 🤷
 
katy said:
I agree. I loved the music and imagery of the Anglican church, but loved truth even more. Now, thank God, I am at last in a real Catholic parish that has both. It is not accident, I am sure, that the music director is a former Anglican.😃
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AMEN!

From a former Protty(Baptist, not angelican)
 
Fraz94 said:
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                      ** Would it shock would you if I told you these images come from an Anglican Church???**

              I wanted to share this with you- I recently came across this Church.  It is the Church of St. Silas, it is an Anglo Catholic or a "High Church" parish in London.
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To get back to the original topic, it is certainly worth visiting this Church in July when it celebrates its St Silas patronal festival. They have a wonderful sung choral First Vespers on the Friday and on Saturday a full orchestra with great music.
 
Avila123 said:
The information was probably put there by the same civil servants who believe and teach that all priests have to be Christians. When it was pointed out that Shinto priests and Pagan priests are not Christians, they refused to entertain the notion that they were wrong. They also ignored all the other corrections and questions. There is no excuse as they could (and should) have consulted with their religious colleagues i.e the priests and other religious on the Government payroll. But then they also have a load of weirder ideas. 🤷
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If you want to assume that the wording on the Official website of the British Monarchy is wrong, well that is your opinion. But I have no reason to doubt that they do not know who is the head of their church.
  • “the General Synod has the power to legislate by Canon in its own domestic affairs such as worship and doctrine, but The Queen’s assent is required for the promulgation of such Canons. Such assent is given on the Home Secretary’s advice”. *
 
zab said:
If you want to assume that the wording on the Official website of the British Monarchy is wrong, well that is your opinion. But I have no reason to doubt that they do not know who is the head of their church.
  • “the General Synod has the power to legislate by Canon in its own domestic affairs such as worship and doctrine, but The Queen’s assent is required for the promulgation of such Canons*. Such assent is given on the Home Secretary’s advice”.
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You don’t understand how the British constitution works. The Queen’s assent is also required for Acts of Parliament but the Acts themselves are decided by elected representatives in Parliament.
 
liturgyluver said:
You don’t understand how the British constitution works. The Queen’s assent is also required for Acts of Parliament but the Acts themselves are decided by elected representatives in Parliament.
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I do understand the words “The Queen is the head of the Church of England” on the Official website of the British Monarchy 😉
 
zab said:
I do understand the words “The Queen is the head of the Church of England” on the Official website of the British Monarchy 😉
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But you obviously don’t understand (or chose to ignore) the references to Queen as Supreme Governor also on the website and the following statement:

The Supreme Governor of the Church of England is a title held by the British monarch that signifies titular leadership over the Church of England. Although the monarch’s authority over the Church of England is largely ceremonial, the position is still very relevant to the church and is mostly observed in a symbolic capacity.

Parliament passed the Act of Supremacy 1559 that restored the original act.To placate critics, the Oath of Supremacy which nobles were required to swear, gave the monarch’s title as Supreme Governor rather than Supreme Head of the church. This wording avoided the charge that the monarchy was claiming divinity or usurping Christ, whom the Bible explicitly identifies as Head of the Church.
 
I agree that the vestments and picture of Marian devotion all look beautiful, more beautiful than in some of our Catholic Churches. But if I had to choose between going to a modern Catholic Church, and even put up with some liturgical abuse, or go to a beautiful Anglican Church such as the pictures that have been posted, I would go to the church that has the true Eucharist. Yes, there is a sad division in our Christian religions and we must continually pray for unity. I’m praying for 95 year old Billy Graham, who has been on my mind lately.
 
liturgyluver said:
But you obviously don’t understand (or chose to ignore) the references to Queen as Supreme Governor also on the website and the following statement:

The Supreme Governor of the Church of England is a title held by the British monarch that signifies titular leadership over the Church of England. Although the monarch’s authority over the Church of England is largely ceremonial, the position is still very relevant to the church and is mostly observed in a symbolic capacity.

Parliament passed the Act of Supremacy 1559 that restored the original act.To placate critics, the Oath of Supremacy which nobles were required to swear, gave the monarch’s title as Supreme Governor rather than Supreme Head of the church. This wording avoided the charge that the monarchy was claiming divinity or usurping Christ, whom the Bible explicitly identifies as Head of the Church.
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None of that really matters to me. I just have no reason to assume that they do not know who is the head as they have written.
 
zab said:
I agree that the vestments and picture of Marian devotion all look beautiful, more beautiful than in some of our Catholic Churches. But if I had to choose between going to a modern Catholic Church, and even put up with some liturgical abuse, or go to a beautiful Anglican Church such as the pictures that have been posted, I would go to the church that has the true Eucharist. Yes, there is a sad division in our Christian religions and we must continually pray for unity. I’m praying for 95 year old Billy Graham.
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Nevertheless, the Anglicans can be used as an example (of liturgy) that we Latin Catholics can aspire to. It is not enough to say we Catholics have a true Eucharist and they don’t. We should act like it as well, giving His Majesty our God the best our circumstances permit.
 
angelic06 said:
Nevertheless, the Anglicans can be used as an example (of liturgy) that we Latin Catholics can aspire to. It is not enough to say we Catholics have a true Eucharist and they don’t. We should act like it as well, giving His Majesty our God the best our circumstances permit.
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Oh, I have no problem with Giving God our best. But we must also remember that living our faith and striving to grow in virtue is important as well, in fact more important that just having the finest vestments and the most beautiful churches and wearing veils and praying the Traditional Latin Mass. I’m not against those things but there is more to it than that.
 
liturgyluver said:
Supreme Governor not Head.
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Hmm…seems you want to dance around the title?🤷

Supreme…means highest…🤷

Governor…means head or governing something…

So she is the head of something…you just do not want to admit it…🤷 it seems…:eek:

So why would she be called Supreme Governor if it did not mean something…🤷:eek:
 
liturgyluver said:
Supreme Governor not Head.
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Well as a fellow subject of Her Majesty (whom, incidentally, I greatly admire and respect), I think of it this way:

For the country, the Queen is the Head of State and the Prime Minister is the Head of Government.

In the Church of England she is the Head of the Church, and the Abp of Canterbury is the head of the Episcopate.
 
Fraz94 said:
Dear Friends,
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               Before reading this post- take a look at the pictures at the end of the post and then come back read the following statement below...





                      ** Would it shock would you if I told you these images come from an Anglican Church???**

              I wanted to share this with you- I recently came across this Church.  It is the Church of St. Silas, it is an Anglo Catholic or a "High Church" parish in London- Anglo Catholic means that you are an Anglican (in Communion with the Archbishop of Canterbury, with her majesty Queen Elizabeth as head of the Church) but that in belief and practice you are a Catholic. 

              These images show something extremely beautiful and awe inspiring, it is almost "unbelievable" that they are not Roman Catholic- the last picture is from the shrine of Our Lady of Walsingham, to whom I am most devoted!- at Walsingham there is a Catholic and an Anglican Shrine.   Most people in England, Catholics and Anglicans alike don't realize that this type of worship does exist in the Anglican Church and it is beautiful.....as Roman Catholics many of us love this kind of worship and crave these Solemn Liturgies and processions- it is awe inspiring that our brethren in the Anglican Church (some of them) are doing this.  It is such a shame that all this can't come over to Rome and then be really Catholic!  The Anglican Ordinariate- has brought a lot of this with it and has enriched many English Catholics and brought something special to English Catholicism with them.

           Please join me in praying for a greater unity between Anglicans and Catholics, if all Anglicans were like this there wouldn't be any problems!  I myself as a Roman Catholic (and former Anglican) would feel very comfortable praying and going in procession with these Anglicans- I am a great devotee of Our Lady of Walsingham as I mentioned and the Anglo Catholic Church there is like a Roman Basilica and many Catholic people get confused and go to Mass and even Communion at the Anglican Shrine, I myself saw Mass being said there at the Altar in the last picture and it was 100% identical to a Catholic Mass, of course I did not go to Communion but it was tempting as it was so "Catholic"- I do wear an Anglo Catholic medal of Our Lady of Walsingham.  Let us pray that all this comes over to Rome and for the true conversion of "Anglicans" to the Roman religion and for England's return to her Holy Mother and the Chief Shepherd, the Vicar of Rome!
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I have a statue of O.L. Of Walsingham like the one in the procession, but much smaller.
There are also Orthodox and Catholic shrines at Walsingham. Our Lady is for all, not just Anglicans. 🙂
 
petronus said:
The details do not say that the Queen is the Head of the Church of England .
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I believe the details do support the statement “The Queen is the head of the Church of England”. Apparently the opening page has changed from yesterday and the link to that statement is no longer there. However, on the history and background page it does make clear what Henry VIII did and gives the difference between the Sovereign’s relationship to the Church of England and the Church of Scotland. royal.gov.uk/MonarchUK/QueenandChurch/History.aspx
"Henry VIII broke from the Roman Catholic Church by denying papal claims to ecclesiastical or any other jurisdiction, and* by declaring himself rather than the Pope as Supreme Head of the Church in England.** *

The Sovereign’s relationship to the Church of Scotland is different. Since 1707, the British Monarch has been required by the Treaty of Union to preserve the Church of Scotland"
 
Thanks to everyone for posting on this. In regards to the “is the Queen the head of the Church” argument. I am English and have grown up in England, Queen Elizabeth is certainly the head of the English Church and its supreme governor, she is both. I don’t agree with the title nor her role but that is the fact of it!
 
Fraz94 said:
Thanks to everyone for posting on this. In regards to the “is the Queen the head of the Church” argument. I am English and have grown up in England, Queen Elizabeth is certainly the head of the English Church and its supreme governor, she is both. I don’t agree with the title nor her role but that is the fact of it!
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No. There is a clear distinction to be made between Head which implies active power and authority like the Pope has, and Supreme Governor which is an executive role with no power over decision-making or day to day matters. The latter applies to the Monarch’s role. The Archbishops have power and authority on church governance.
 
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