Pipe Organs

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Personally, I wish more churches had these beautiful instruments. There are only four churches in the Diocese of St.Augustine in NE Florida that have Pipe Organs. Many have electric or digital organs now, but IMO it is not the same.

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I think there should be more too, since my dads owns a organ building/maintenance company 😉 😛

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If you’ve ever played or gotten to listen to a real pipe organ, you never want anything else.

Unfortunately, not a lot of parishes want to put forth the resources to install one, maintain one, and pay a competent organist to play it. IMHO, as bad as a second-rate guitarist is, a second-rate organist is a trip to Purgatory. The parish has to be willing to pony up to do it right.

If it is really important to you, make a contribution or put it in your will to pay part of your estate to the maintenance and musicians for a local parish with a pipe organ, to be used only for that purpose.
 
Our pastor at St.Pauls in Jax wants to get a Pipe Organ. The money is the big obsticle.
 
Our pastor at St.Pauls in Jax wants to get a Pipe Organ. The money is the big obsticle.
Support your pastor in his needs. Watch ebay and organ related sites. We managed to pick up a used organ doing this, to beef up the one that we have. Ours is behind a wall and above the ceiling, and is mostly wood tubes. It’s not pretty, but it is not seen. But boy does it sound nice.
 
My cathedral parish was one of the first to be renovated after Vatican II. Out went the choir loft and out went the pipe organ. By golly, we got one of them there super duper E-lectronic organs in 1969. Almost twenty years later (as you might imagine) technology had changed from vacuum tubes to transistors to printed circuitry.

In 1988, at the wedding of one of our cathedral choristers, the organ caught on fire. Deft handling of a fire extinguisher by our organist /choir director prevented a complete disaster. Parts were no longer available to repair the organ.

In 1992 we were to celebrate the bicentennial of the parish. Plans were drawn up to restore the choir loft! (Deo gratias ite Deo gratias!) and to install a brand new pipe organ. Her name is Providence.

youtube.com/watch?v=JWAF2zJ5OM0

I have had the pleasure of watching this young man grow up. He was in high school and sang with us and substituted when our choir director/organist (his mentor) was out. He is quite talented and is currently the organist at another parish with organ here in Baton Rouge.

cathedralofstjoseph.org/index.php/music/organ

neworleanschurches.com/br_stjos/organspec.jpg

Above are the specs.

In the years between the fire and the new pipe organ we sang with our choir director’s hand crafted wooden portativ organ. I loved that with singing medieval stuff. Then we used one of our choir member’s harpsichord. Divine! Really, truly! But it couldn’t be heard at the back of the cathedral. Then we used one of our choir member’s baby grand. Lovely, too.

I never felt so good as the day we went up into the choir loft and practiced with Providence. I sang ten years facing the congregation from the side of the altar. In my humble opinion, choirs belong in lofts with pipe organs. Just my two cents.
 
One problem is that pipe organs are fiendisly expensive. You’re right, though, there’s nothing like them…Roanoker
 
One problem is that pipe organs are fiendisly expensive. You’re right, though, there’s nothing like them…Roanoker
I did a little searching–a hundred thousand dollars ($100,000), along with regular maintainance costs.

A pipe organ is the kind of thing that a wealthy parishioner should consider donating either while they’re alive or after they die. When there are so many needs in the Church, it seems…awkward…to buy a pipe organ that only a few people in any city will be able to play.

Our parish has a pipe organ that apparently cost way over $100,000 dollars. It was donated. It sits idle most of the week. It is very difficult to find organists in our city. Recently someone played, and although I am usually quite charitable and appreciative when it comes to musicians, this person was definitely of the baseball game school of music. It was virtually impossible to sing with, for both the cantor and for the congregation, and the bouncy, jumpy, stacatto technique was quite jarring. I honestly think I would prefer no music than bad organ music. I play piano, and I know better than to sit down at an organ and try to play it.
 
The pipe organs are the most awesome sounding of musical instruments in my opinion. Seems usually only the cathedral’s and shrine’s had them though, for the most part. I remember when I was growing up that most of the local parishes did not have them but when you went to the cathedral you just knew you were in heaven on earth. Same thing when you visited a shrine. Seems like its still the same way.
 
I did a little searching–a hundred thousand dollars ($100,000), along with regular maintainance costs.

A pipe organ is the kind of thing that a wealthy parishioner should consider donating either while they’re alive or after they die. When there are so many needs in the Church, it seems…awkward…to buy a pipe organ that only a few people in any city will be able to play.

Our parish has a pipe organ that apparently cost way over $100,000 dollars. It was donated. It sits idle most of the week. It is very difficult to find organists in our city. Recently someone played, and although I am usually quite charitable and appreciative when it comes to musicians, this person was definitely of the baseball game school of music. It was virtually impossible to sing with, for both the cantor and for the congregation, and the bouncy, jumpy, stacatto technique was quite jarring. I honestly think I would prefer no music than bad organ music. I play piano, and I know better than to sit down at an organ and try to play it.
…and so you learn how to play it. The time will pass anyway-learn or help teach others to play it properly. Or, make it possible for someone else to learn to play properly. Like priests, Choirmasters have to be called and prepared. They have families and houses and …they need to know the parish is committed to them. After several missteps we have landed a whopper of a Choirmaster and he has overseen the installation of our organ that has laid in storage after purchase for several years. It’s in and it’s really fantastic. Next, re-installing the rails and…
 
I’ve always got a kick out of real music directors who derisively call electronic organs “toasters.” 😃
 
i much prefer the piano. pipe organs just remind me of some horror movie with the evil scientist playing his pipe organ just before he commits some unspeakable crime…
 
I’ve always got a kick out of real music directors who derisively call electronic organs “toasters.”

My organ professor called them “two-manual radios.”
 
It’s very rare that I get to hear a pipe organ during a Mass, but I sure love it when I do. 🙂
 
When there are so many needs in the Church, it seems…awkward…to buy a pipe organ that only a few people in any city will be able to play.
Do a search on youtube. There are many good organists out there. And probably many more would start practicing and playing if they sensed a demand for them.
 
I’ve always got a kick out of real music directors who derisively call electronic organs “toasters.”

My organ professor called them “two-manual radios.”
hahaha! All the real organist musicians I know refer to them as “toasters” as well.

At the same time, some churches have to make due with what they have. Although there is nothing comparable to a real pipe organ (when played by a competent musician), one can get a decent sound out of a toaster if the person playing it is a musician, an organist and has an understanding for it. Some electronic ones are just plain awful, though, but I’ve heard others where the sound (although not ideal) isn’t so bad for the size of the church.

I’m very fortunate and spoiled by the fact that we have a wonderful pipe organ at our parish cathedral commanded by one of the most talented (and humble) organists in our city. Our city and surrounding areas are also fortunate to have many churches with pipe organs. Some parishes have worked to keep them going. Others, are in process of fixing them (can take years) and then others just don’t have the resources to either fix or purchase a new one.

It’s all a matter of priority. Some parishes will work together to either fix or replace their pipe organ and don’t mind waiting years to get it all done. One parish I’ve worked is in that process now. It’s a gorgeous, huge, old Italian parish and they are using an electric piano for the time being until it is all replaced with the new pipe organ. It has been taking years, but worth it for them. Other parishes have other pressing issues which need to take top priority, so fixing or replacing a new pipe organ isn’t really on the list which is totally understandable.

One of the biggest tragedies - in terms of pipe organs - is that there were a couple of parishes with beautiful pipe organs that didn’t need much work, but these companies sold the parish on the idea that the toaster would be a better organ for the parish. I know organists who played on the originals up until they were taken out and these organs were totally fine to play.

Pipe organs only sound like a horror flick when it is played like one. Admittedly there are those organists who really don’t know how to work their organ and think “louder and uglier is better”. Then there are organists, like our music director, who have brought me to tears playing the most meditative, beautiful and sensitive piece from French organ literature that no other kind of instrument could have done the same justice to because the music was specifically written for the organ.

I think other musicians on here would agree, but one of the ways to get younger generations to play is if they hear the organ played well. Also, parents as well as parishes need to instill the importance of sacred music and music in general. It seems dead in the Catholic church in some areas. The kids taking piano and organ lessons are usually the Protestant kids. And from what the teachers have said, it’s because their parents and churches encourage and promote it. I don’t really see it promoted in the Catholic churches - either because there are people who don’t like the organ, have just given up on trying to encourage it, are indifferent to sacred music in general (usually because the music program at the parish is mediocre or bad) or think that the organ can only be done in cathedrals.

At the same time, it does sometimes feel like the organist is a dying breed. What I’ve found working all around are people who call themselves organists, but actually either have no clue how to play one or are actually not even real musicians. It’s always such a real joy and gift when I can play with someone who truly knows how to command an organ.

I wish more pianists would learn how to play the organ. This is because pianists who are also organists tend to play the organ with more legato, so it doesn’t sound so choppy. Of course, there is still a specific and different way of playing the keys of an organ to the keys of a piano, but a pianist (and a really good organist who knows his/her organ) have a better handle with playing with legato. I’m not generalizing as I know this is not always the case, but I’ve found this to be the case with other pianists/organists I know.

So pianists and piano teachers - PLEASE learn how to play the organ if you can or encourage your students to take it up as well. 😃
 
I’ve always got a kick out of real music directors who derisively call electronic organs “toasters.”

My organ professor called them “two-manual radios.”
How about those that have a midi-port in them? :mad:
 
Personally, I wish more churches had these beautiful instruments. There are only four churches in the Diocese of St.Augustine in NE Florida that have Pipe Organs. Many have electric or digital organs now, but IMO it is not the same.

Thoughts?
Many years ago our pipe organ was rebuilt by a parishioner. He did a nice job but it took him nearly 4 years. During that time our music ministry did everything in its power to ensure it would be never used again. They treated our organist poorly (she is Protestant) they would not allow her to train others, their music selections, etc.

About 5 years ago our piano was replaced with a Yamaha “all-in-one.” That was a very kind donation but there were fears that some would use it as an excuse to rip-out our pipe organ. Thankfully it never happened.

Some people recently gathered some money for a concert grand piano to replace the Yamaha all-in-one. The proposal was accepted so long as money was also raised to tune-up and ready our pipe organ for use! I just got back from a visit. There was a crew of three ALREADY working on the organ!!! YES!

Having a new pastor makes ALL the difference.
 
If you’ve ever played or gotten to listen to a real pipe organ, you never want anything else.

Unfortunately, not a lot of parishes want to put forth the resources to install one, maintain one, and pay a competent organist to play it. IMHO, as bad as a second-rate guitarist is, a second-rate organist is a trip to Purgatory. The parish has to be willing to pony up to do it right.

If it is really important to you, make a contribution or put it in your will to pay part of your estate to the maintenance and musicians for a local parish with a pipe organ, to be used only for that purpose.
I very much agree…

Although I would say that the very best custom electronic organs with HUGE voice coils (speakers) and banks of HUGE amplifiers are nearly as good as the best pipe organs and better than many others. Of course they don’t look as cool either but they are far cheaper to maintain.
 
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