PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

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They are torturing Manning. They are destroying his mind. You Americans are supposed to despise those who torture and keep political prisoners, yet it’s happening to one of your own.

Read the Catechism about torture
Since they are not torturing him or destroying his mind there is nothing to look up in the cathecism.

Lets be honest here-you support what he did. In your mind he should be doing a victory tour with Julian Asagne. Correct?
 
Since they are not torturing him or destroying his mind there is nothing to look up in the cathecism.

Lets be honest here-you support what he did. In your mind he should be doing a victory tour with Julian Asagne. Correct?
They are torturing him. It’s psychological torture. Torture is when you cause great physical or mental harm to someone. It destroys human dignity.

I never said I support what he did. He’s being treated inhumanely. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Torture is a breach of international law.
 
I am often perturbed by the disconnect between what my country professes and what it practices when it comes to things like that. Even during the disgusting Abu Ghraib tortures, numerous Americans sided with the torturers on the grounds that those Iraqis were, Geneva Convention be dam…d, our enemies and deserved what they got. 😦
Im not aware of numerous americans supporting what was done at Abu Ghraib. In fact the country recoiled in horror and the perpetuators were severely punished. The problem was that the Left tried to claim what was an aberation was standard operating procedure. But then they were following Rham-nevertlet a tragedy go to waste.
 
They are torturing him. It’s psychological torture. Torture is when you cause great physical or mental harm to someone. It destroys human dignity.

I never said I support what he did. He’s being treated inhumanely. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Torture is a breach of international law.
Again the only ones claiming this is his lawyer and a thouroughly dicredited “human rights” organization.
 
Asked by ABC News if he agreed with that, President Obama said Friday that he’d “asked the Pentagon whether or not the procedures that have been taken in terms of his confinement are appropriate and are meeting our basic standards.” Pentagon officials, he said, “assure me that they are. I can’t go into details about some of their concerns, but some of this has to do with Private Manning’s safety as well.”

While some White House officials knew of Crowley’s comments, White House chief of staff Bill Daley learned of them when ABC News asked that question of the president. Daley told White House officials of Crowley, “he’s done.” Manning was arrested in May 2010 after telling a former hacker that he had given documents to WikiLeaks. Earlier this month the Army filed 22 new counts against him including aiding the enemy, theft of public property or records, computer fraud, transmitting information in violation of the Espionage Act.

[On January 19, Amnesty International wrote to Defense Secretary Robert Gates](http://on January 19, Amnesty International wrote to Defense Secretary Robert Gates to “express concern about the conditions under which Private First Class (PFC) Bradley Manning is detained at the Quantico Marine Corps Base in Virginia,” saying that “the restrictions imposed in PFC Manning’s case appear to be unnecessarily harsh and punitive.”) to “express concern about the conditions under which Private First Class (PFC) Bradley Manning is detained at the Quantico Marine Corps Base in Virginia,” saying that “the restrictions imposed in PFC Manning’s case appear to be unnecessarily harsh and punitive.”

Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell has said Manning’s cell is like that of “every single other pretrial detainee at the brig. It just so happens that the configuration of the brig is that every individual is confined to his or her own cell. He’s being provided well-balanced, nutritious meals three times a day. He receives visitors and mail, and can write letters. He routinely meets with doctors, as well as his attorney. He’s allowed to make telephone calls. And he is being treated just like every other detainee in the brig. So assertions by liberal bloggers, or network reporters or others that he is being mistreated, or somehow treated differently than others, in isolation, are just not accurate.”

blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/03/state-department-spokesman-pj-crowley-resigned-bradley-manning.html
Personally I don’t know a lot about how he is being held but my understanding is that he is on suicide watch because of some of the things he has been saying. Normally when a prisoner is on suicide watch all cords and belts are removed from the cell so that he can not hang himself. Also he is under closer surveillance to see if he is doing anything unusual to himself. Apparently Manning made a comment that if he wanted to he could strangle himself with the elastic of his pants at night when he was suppose to be sleeping and so now he needs to disrobe before bed. I wouldn’t call this torture.
 
Im not aware of numerous americans supporting what was done at Abu Ghraib. In fact the country recoiled in horror and the perpetuators were severely punished. The problem was that the Left tried to claim what was an aberation was standard operating procedure. But then they were following Rham-nevertlet a tragedy go to waste.
CNN poll on torture
 
Again the only ones claiming this is his lawyer and a thouroughly dicredited “human rights” organization.
You’re going to discredit AI because of a difference of opinion? Look, I have problems with Amnesty International because of their stance of abortion, but here’s a motto I live by: give credit where it’s due.

By the way, if you don’t want AI’s definition of torture, look at the UN definition of torture, or the World Medical Association’s definition
 
You’re going to discredit AI because of a difference of opinion? Look, I have problems with Amnesty International because of their stance of abortion, but here’s a motto I live by: give credit where it’s due.

By the way, if you don’t want AI’s definition of torture, look at the UN definition of torture, or the World Medical Association’s definition
ANY organization which believes that the the right to kill ones child is a basic human right has no credibility IMO. In fact about the only organization that has less credibility is the UN.
 
ANY organization which believes that the the right to kill ones child is a basic human right has no credibility IMO. In fact about the only organization that has less credibility is the UN.
sigh Whatever, I’m done arguing. There’s a reason why one of my professors told me that democracy is dead in America

On a final note, you never refuted the torture Manning is facing
 
You defined it as physical or mental harm. Which is as loose as you can get. mental harm? People get that in the workplace and in school.

This is why these conversations invariably go nowhere. The left and right don’t what constitutes torture. To the left, loud, graish music and sleep deprivation are torture. Which frankly, seems like nonsense.

I was throrughly sleep deprived with out newborn, and also when i went through USAF Survival school. Yet no one would define that as torture.
 
sigh Whatever, I’m done arguing. There’s a reason why one of my professors told me that democracy is dead in America

On a final note, you never refuted the torture Manning is facing
Since he was not being tortured there was nothing to refute. You actually had a professor tell you that if you are unable to defend your positions it means democracy is dead???
 
This seems to be the issue at hand:

Manning’s treatment has become a flashpoint for liberals, with Amnesty International noting he has been confined to a windowless cell for 23 hours a day, is stripped down to his boxers at night and is not given pillows or blankets.

Manning’s lawyer also says the young private recently had to sleep in the nude because defense officials thought there was a suicide threat and decided to take away his boxer shorts.

edition.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/13/crowley.stepping.down/
 
What sleep deprevation? Manning isn’t suffering from sleep deprevation.
 
You’re going to discredit AI because of a difference of opinion? Look, I have problems with Amnesty International because of their stance of abortion, but here’s a motto I live by: give credit where it’s due.
One bad apple doesn’t always spoil the barrel. I don’t see any right-wing organizations taking up their cause sans abortion.
By the way, if you don’t want AI’s definition of torture, look at the UN definition of torture, or the World Medical Association’s definition
Don’t bother. None will. There are none so blind as those who self-righteously cling to obsessions. 🤷
 
I don’t know. I know a lot of people on the right who consider sleep deprevation a type of torture (e.g., John McCain)
With regards to Manning I’d say given the information available he is been handled as is common for prisoners in jails on suicide watch.
Yep
 
One bad apple doesn’t always spoil the barrel. I don’t see any right-wing organizations taking up their cause sans abortion.

Don’t bother. None will. There are none so blind as those who self-righteously cling to obsessions. 🤷
Rich, you’re a real voice of reason
 
This seems to be the issue at hand:

Manning’s treatment has become a flashpoint for liberals, with Amnesty International noting he has been confined to a windowless cell for 23 hours a day, is stripped down to his boxers at night and is not given pillows or blankets.

Manning’s lawyer also says the young private recently had to sleep in the nude because defense officials thought there was a suicide threat and decided to take away his boxer shorts.

edition.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/13/crowley.stepping.down/
I would consider that an inhumane way to treat someone who has not been proven guilty. Yes he’s on suicide watch, but in other countries do they seriously feel it necessary to keep him in such conditions? I have a sneaking suspicion that they’re using that as an excuse, but that can’t be proven. Isn’t it also true that he’s not allowed visitors?

And of course, this is terrible that he is suffering while Asange profits. I think that merely shows that Manning wasn’t clever enough to leave the country before this all came to light, although of course he should still be punished.
 
The most troubling thing the US does. IMO. is renditions. We, in effect, farm out the dirty work. I was always disapointed that Bush allowed this and am disapointed that Obama continues it.
 
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