PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

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Rich, you’re a real voice of reason
I also know that if I agree with anything the rightists assert, they’ll be lauding me and what I say to the skies.

Thank you for your comment. It’s good to know that those of us who try to be reasonable are not alone. 👍
 
Beauce of my involvment in the Anti-Captial punishment ministry i was formerly a big fan of AI. it was with great reluctnace i parted company with them. Their increasing anti-Israel policies were bad enough but the final straw was their 2007 embracing of abortion as a fundamental human right.
 
Beauce of my involvment in the Anti-Captial punishment ministry i was formerly a big fan of AI. it was with great reluctnace i parted company with them. Their increasing anti-Israel policies were bad enough but the final straw was their 2007 embracing of abortion as a fundamental human right.
With the anti-Israel part, I almost side with AI. The Jewish community are effectively raging war against the Palestines due to a part in the Torah which says they are entitled to those lands (my understanding of it). Both the EU and the UN have condemned them. However, it appears very complicated but I do not think that Israel deserve my sympathy.

I disagree with the abortion part also. But I admire them for their efforts in other areas, such as the treatment of POW’s and women in the Middle East.
 
With the anti-Israel part, I almost side with AI. The Jewish community are effectively raging war against the Palestines due to a part in the Torah which says they are entitled to those lands (my understanding of it). Both the EU and the UN have condemned them. However, it appears very complicated but I do not think that Israel deserve my sympathy.

I disagree with the abortion part also. But I admire them for their efforts in other areas, such as the treatment of POW’s and women in the Middle East.
AI tends to turn a blind eye towards palestinian/arab atrocities. At any rate any “human rights” organization that believes the right to kill ones child is a basic human right can not be taken seriously.
 
AI tends to turn a blind eye towards palestinian/arab atrocities. At any rate any “human rights” organization that believes the right to kill ones child is a basic human right can not be taken seriously.
How so does it turn a blind eye? My feeling however is that any attacks by the Palestines are defensive in nature, they weren’t the ones to throw the first stone.
 
Their opinion does matter. **The USA have legalised abortion in some areas - **does that mean I’m going to disregard the opinion of every American? No. So why should it be the same for Amnesty? They’re not a one-policy group, so while I am disappointed they have taken a pro-choice stance (albeit only recently) I think you’re overreacting to suggest that means they’ve lost all moral standing. I also think you just wanted a reason to mention a pro-life issue.
Abortion is legal throughout all 9 months of pregnancy in the entire United States. It is harder to obtain an abortion after about 20 weeks of pregnancy, but it is legal to do so right up to the moment of birth.

See Roe v. Wade, 1973
Doe v. Bolton, 1973
 
The same way you just did.
That wasn’t turning a blind eye, I’m not going to disregard the atrocities the Palenstines are doing. The same could be accused of British and Americans schools turning a blind eye to the atrocities that the Allies committed during WW2.

But who would you blame more for the effects of war? The one who instigates the war or the one who fights back? Who will international authorities have the more sympathy for?
 
Beauce of my involvment in the Anti-Captial punishment ministry i was formerly a big fan of AI. it was with great reluctnace i parted company with them. Their increasing anti-Israel policies were bad enough but the final straw was their 2007 embracing of abortion as a fundamental human right.
How can killing an innocent baby be a “fundamental human right?” OMG.

What about the fundamental human rights of the baby???😦

this is horrible, as always.

And we won’t even get into anti-Semitism…

:mad:
 
Abortion is legal throughout all 9 months of pregnancy in the entire United States. It is harder to obtain an abortion after about 20 weeks of pregnancy, but it is legal to do so right up to the moment of birth.

See Roe v. Wade, 1973
Doe v. Bolton, 1973
I had heard that before, but didn’t realise it was in every state. In the UK, you can only abort up to the “age of viability” and then you must continue with the pregnancy, unless it will harm the mother or the child will be born severely disabled - but I think there is a limit on how late you can terminate even a disabled child.

But yes, we must get back on topic.
 
Obviously, I am not Bob 🙂 but, I have provided the links below in another thread where a similar query on AI was raised.

Worldwide: Amnesty International defends access to abortion for women at risk
amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=17378

Nicaragua: Amnesty urges UN to condemn abortion ban
amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=18609

Further, Amnesty International also advocates same-sex marriage under equality rights and has an LGBT campaign network

Argentina legalizes same sex marriage
amnesty.org/en/news-and-u…age-2010-07-15
amnesty.org.uk/content.asp?CategoryID=876

There is also controversy regarding pay offs to exiting AI Directors which compromises its integrity as a charitable organisation and I have provided a link to that in an earlier post n this thread.
 
SO, this was your last post? I visit here once in a while as anyone can see. truly, i have yet to find a religious forum thats worth the time.
 
What I am wondering is did Crowley mean Manning was being treated too harsh or not harsh enough. Did he mean he thought the guy was a traitor and should be shot, or did he think the guy was a scape goat or some kind of hero and should be let go. He is a lefty so I can not tell.
 
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