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Our Lord told St Faustina that souls, esp of religious, go to Hell because they don’t practice interior silence.

All need to practice interior silence. Why shouldn’t they? Do we not wish to hear what Our Lord has to say, or to practice silence before the King out of respect for Him?

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Dear FrancisBenedict,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. A very warm welcome to the world of CAF and I do hope that you will find your time here informative and spiritually enriching.

It rejoices my heart, dear friend, to hear about the Plain Catholic movement, the existence of which I was completely unaware of until reference was made to it on these boards. Bless God that it takes seriously the call to pursue holiness, which is a call to every Catholic and not only some thoroughgoing spiritual types (Catechism of the Catholic Church, paras. 2013 - 2015) - “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord” (Heb. 12: 14, added emphasis mine). As Catholics we may be separated unto God by Holy Baptism, but that does not dispense with the requirement to live the life that befits those who are so separated. Living a holy and separate life from the godless culture which surrounds us is preparation for the presence of God and is something which concerns us all, or at least should do. Thus the emphasis this splendid movement places upon separation from the world, purity and modesty in attire is surely to be warmly welcomed in these days of worldly conformity by multitudes of contemporary Catholics. Christians properly belong to the high mountain land above and so must refuse to descend to the level of those whose minds are blinded by the god of this world and whose outlook is consequently circumscribed by that which is temporal and passing - “Be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God” (Rom. 12: 2).

Modesty and separation from the godless culture are essential requirements, dear friend, if a man is in earnest about living up to the arduous demands of our most holy religion. Unfortunately, Western Catholicism is populated by multitudes of cultural Catholics who have adopted a hand in hand with the world type of religious practice, what one might term a ‘Catholicism Lite’, which makes little or no demand in terms of self-denial or the pursuit of personal sanctity. Certainly our religion was not intended to make us melancholic and no man would stop to deny that there is a place for innocent merriment and wholesome leisure activities, but this can never be an excuse for engaging in worldly indulgences that simply do not comport with the call to holiness. After all, how can we cultivate holiness if we are enthusiastically embracing godless secular culture, rather than renouncing it and doing spiritual battle (cf. CCC. para. 2015)?

As Catholics, dear friend, we supposedly declare that “here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come” (Heb. 13: 14), but that wonderful expression of faith is in complete contrast to the earthbound outlook of so many of the faithful today, who apparently seem to dote upon worldly comforts and pleasures as much as their pagan neighbours, who one expects to walk according to the course of this world. Growth in holiness, depth in prayer, fruitfulness in good works and cultivating a more intimate communion with our Blessed Saviour, these ought to be the noble aims which fill our horizon, not listening to debased sensory material like rock/pop music or watching unwholesome films/TV programmes, which only, at length, desensitize us to sin and pollute our minds. Let us hear what St. Paul says: “If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affections on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God” (Col. 3: 1-3).

Alas, dear friend, even just raising the issues of modesty and godly separation from the world will likely elicit a frosty response and one will probably be accused of being a ‘Puritan prude’, or at the very least it may be suggested that you have a problem with ‘overscrupulosity’. However, there is no escaping the incontrovertible fact that multitudes of Western cultural Catholics no longer earnestly pursue holiness and are virtually indistinguishable from their non-Christian friends and neighbours. They may fulfil their Sunday obligation, be involved charitable good works and even be jolly orthodox at touching faith and morals, but their lives are still marked by a worldly conformity and they plainly do not keep themselves “unspotted from the world”, which St. James says is “Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father” (see Jam. 1: 27). Sadly, they have fallen into a lukewarm religious practice that is tepid, flabby, half-hearted, limp, always wanting to compromise and indifferent. This is shameful and unbefitting of those who profess religion and, more importantly, tarnishes the Church’s credibility in the eyes of the watching world. An obligation is laid upon Catholics to dare to be different and to provide a vibrant Christian counter-culture that will truly impact the godless age in which our lot is cast.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
WHY make a fuss and set up a separate clique etc? WHY NOT simply do as you do quietly as many others do and thus avoid all the arguing!

Distracts from the reality of our faith into smaller issues. Putting guilt on to brethren. By implication.

To the person living with no washing machine! I use one as else would spend time and energy, both in small supply, on cleanliness, rather then on working for others. As all else this to me is the issue.

These things can be precious tools not status symbols.

We are not clones; each finds the expression of faith that is for us. Quietly and simply with thought for others. Not proclaiming, simply living.
 
To live simply would be great. Just you and god. No messy stuff that modern life brings with it. Quite appealing. Not fussy on the clothes though.
 
WHY make a fuss and set up a separate clique etc? WHY NOT simply do as you do quietly as many others do and thus avoid all the arguing!
Who’s arguing?
We are not clones; each finds the expression of faith that is for us. Quietly and simply with thought for others. Not proclaiming, simply living.
Yep - that describes Plain Catholics pretty well. 🙂
 
Yes living plain includes not judging others.

Nobody is arguing. We are just sharing.

We are peacefully living our lives. Its just sharing what we have found in case it helps anybody. There’s no obligation!

Washing machine. Of course that is a precious tool for you and for many. Nobody is suggesting its wrong. Only that it’s one of the ways a life can be simpler. For others it is simpler to have one. My dark clothes hand wash this morning took me about 30 minutes including hanging on the line. It was a mini workout!

For me I find the simpler my life is, the more I feel the presence of God in my daily life.
I am called to this vocation, it’s not necessarily for everyone, but we can all learn from each other, I know I do!

God bless you!
 
Who’s arguing?

Yep - that describes Plain Catholics pretty well. 🙂
No you are missing the point quite deliberately of course which I expected of a cultish outlook. Which this is.

Real simplicity has no codification or rules or a separate name , nor does it vaunt itself; that is cult method. Publicity is not simplicity.

You are in grave spiritual danger and pride and I leave you to it rather than…
 
Yes living plain includes not judging others.

Nobody is arguing. We are just sharing.

We are peacefully living our lives. Its just sharing what we have found in case it helps anybody. There’s no obligation!

Washing machine. Of course that is a precious tool for you and for many. Nobody is suggesting its wrong. Only that it’s one of the ways a life can be simpler. For others it is simpler to have one. My dark clothes hand wash this morning took me about 30 minutes including hanging on the line. It was a mini workout!

For me I find the simpler my life is, the more I feel the presence of God in my daily life.
I am called to this vocation, it’s not necessarily for everyone, but we can all learn from each other, I know I do!

God bless you!
n 30 minutes I can knit a hat which sells for E10 and that feeds homeless.

You come across as very proud and elitist which is sad and not simplicity. Many of us who are old and poor live utterly simply without separating ourselves from Church in any way And without boasting about it. Loving all and giving all quietly. Back row at Mass…

Over and out from here…
 
Yes living plain includes not judging others.

Nobody is arguing. We are just sharing.

We are peacefully living our lives. Its just sharing what we have found in case it helps anybody. There’s no obligation!

Washing machine. Of course that is a precious tool for you and for many. Nobody is suggesting its wrong. Only that it’s one of the ways a life can be simpler. For others it is simpler to have one. My dark clothes hand wash this morning took me about 30 minutes including hanging on the line. It was a mini workout!

For me I find the simpler my life is, the more I feel the presence of God in my daily life.
I am called to this vocation, it’s not necessarily for everyone, but we can all learn from each other, I know I do!

God bless you!
FrancisBenedict - Please tell me how you wash clothes without a washing machine. I know my mother tells stories of helping her mother wash clothes by boiling them - and yes, it was a workout!

Also, how do you line-dry clothes in the winter time?

Thanks! 🙂
 
I have to agree somewhat with Rosebud.
You can live a country life and get back to the land/off grid
and live simply without forming a new society called “Plain Catholics”.
The connotation of “Plain” is truly Mennonite, and if one learns about the
problems inherent within Mennonite and Amish etc. societies today there
are not a lot of positive developments coming out of such groups…their youth
struggle especially with the isolation and pent-up bitterness.
As Catholics, I believe we are meant to seek conversion and transformation
within modern society, attesting to our faith without isolating ourselves from it.
There is nothing wrong with a retroactive lifestyle as an individual/familial life choice,
but some of the subconscious and/or fully conscious pretensions that can sprout
up within the soul as a repurcussion of separatism are spiritually dangerous.

Allow me to draw a comparison, say, between the phrase “Plain Catholics”
and “Catholics for Simple Living”. To the hearer, which phrase is less
off-putting ? Surely, that would be “Catholics for Simple Living”. Still, what
would be the purpose of combining these two conditions/choices in name ?
Simple living is not indellibly Catholic, any more than classic cars are, or
a fishing club would be.
 
Plain Catholics do not proselytize, we do not live in communes, we do not expect anyone else to live the way we do, we don’t even wear the same clothes!

And I have a washing machine. I don’t use the drier, tho, I like to hang clothes outside to dry. Did that for years before hearing about plain Catholics.

Plain Catholics strive to dress modestly. Some do like to wear Mennonite-style clothing. That’s fine. I don’t.

I believe the idea behind plain Catholics was to live simply, inspired by the Mennonites & Amish. I think (not sure) that the those who started the movement converted to Catholicism out of those churches & missed the plain style. I really don’t care.

I haven’t even met another plain Catholic in person. The style isn’t exactly catching on, nor is it becoming a fad.

I don’t knit or sew. Just not handy that way. And, unlike the Amish, we use computers, cars, and other wonderful modern inventions.

Why do you think it’s better to sit at the back of the Church? I like to sit in the front - have for many years - because then I’m closer to Jesus in the Tabernacle.

I’m quiet in Church - I don’t draw attention to myself.

I like the Plain Catholic ladies I converse with via the Internet. I’ve learned a lot about not gossiping or judging, and following the example of Mother Mary in my life.

I do wonder, tho, why some people are bothered by others living a simple, quiet lifestyle.
 
n 30 minutes I can knit a hat which sells for E10 and that feeds homeless.

You come across as very proud and elitist which is sad and not simplicity. Many of us who are old and poor live utterly simply without separating ourselves from Church in any way And without boasting about it. Loving all and giving all quietly. Back row at Mass…

Over and out from here…
If I am then God forgive me.
People who know me say I’m a very quiet and gentle person though. Perhaps I need to address my writing style 🙂

Nobody is judging anybody Rosebud. I never judge anyone, I make a definite point of not doing that. I’m just sharing what I found works for me and thank you for sharing what works for you too. I wish I could knit, I’ll have to look into it one day.

God bless+
 
n 30 minutes I can knit a hat which sells for E10 and that feeds homeless.

You come across as very proud and elitist which is sad and not simplicity. Many of us who are old and poor live utterly simply without separating ourselves from Church in any way And without boasting about it. Loving all and giving all quietly. Back row at Mass…

Over and out from here…
But, being humble too means you wouldn’t have posted the above!
 
Lets not judge one another but instead share what the Lord has given us
so we may learn from each other in the grace of his love.
 
I do wonder, tho, why some people are bothered by others living a simple, quiet lifestyle.
from galatians, “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” I’m annoyed when groups (excepting religious orders, etc.) set themselves apart and then wear the separateness like a badge. the tradly rads do this, copying amish attire seems more theatrical than a display of modesty. I live a modest life without looking like a civil war reenactor and drawing attention to myself.

from the plain catholic website.




extras from Witness?
 
I think that is the point,some people wear distinct clothing for religious reasons. Like an informal lay order.
Seeing them most people would think they are religious and Christian. Like wearing a Christian tshirt or a habit.To identify ourselves as Christian without words doesn’t seem such a bad thing to me, especially if it starts a conversation about our beliefs.

There is a whole other thread to be made about whether we should be separate from the world, but I don’t think plain Catholics do separate from the world for the most part. Its just a way of living Christian simplicity, and if we follow the Church’s teachings then what can be wrong?

In ourselves if this causes an emotional reaction,maybe we need to ask why do we take this personally?

I find the same reaction in some people when I say I have been vegan for 20 years,some people seem to take that I’m insulting them personally, well I’m not, I’m just living my beliefs that’s all, without judgement. We are not to judge others, this is only for God to do. We can’t know others hearts nor how many saints there are in the world and God’s mercy is great.

God bless you+
 
I think that is the point,some people wear distinct clothing for religious reasons. Like an informal lay order.
Seeing them most people would think they are religious and Christian. Like wearing a Christian tshirt or a habit.To identify ourselves as Christian without words doesn’t seem such a bad thing to me, especially if it starts a conversation about our beliefs.

There is a whole other thread to be made about whether we should be separate from the world, but I don’t think plain Catholics do separate from the world for the most part. Its just a way of living Christian simplicity, and if we follow the Church’s teachings then what can be wrong?

In ourselves if this causes an emotional reaction,maybe we need to ask why do we take this personally?

I find the same reaction in some people when I say I have been vegan for 20 years,some people seem to take that I’m insulting them personally, well I’m not, I’m just living my beliefs that’s all, without judgement. We are not to judge others, this is only for God to do. We can’t know others hearts nor how many saints there are in the world and God’s mercy is great.

God bless you+
being a vegan has nothing to do with being a good Christian. its just a lifestyle choice. dressing modestly to me means that no one should actually notice that you’re dressing modestly. the 19th century lifestyle is theatrical. I think that barn raising picture on the website is a still from Witness. St Paul seems to be warning us against labels. I’m catholic but I’m also a radly trad, I’m catholic but I’m also a simple catholic, I’m catholic but also a social liberal. if you’re catholic, then these labels are meaningless.
 
The Church itself approves of many different charisms all of whom advocate following God through the Catechism and the Magisterium and not follow secular fads. In fact they all advocate separation from popular culture. Plain Catholics are one of them.

If you don’t feel called to their life then don’t go. However don’t commit sins against charity by bashing the Plain Catholics or any other charism that follows Church teaching just because it doesn’t appeal to you.

Sins against charity are biggies especially when it comes to bashing Church teaching and those who seek to follow that teaching. If you bash, you must repent and go to confession.
 
The Church itself approves of many different charisms all of whom advocate following God through the Catechism and the Magisterium and not follow secular fads. In fact they all advocate separation from popular culture. Plain Catholics are one of them.

If you don’t feel called to their life then don’t go. However don’t commit sins against charity by bashing the Plain Catholics or any other charism that follows Church teaching just because it doesn’t appeal to you.

Sins against charity are biggies especially when it comes to bashing Church teaching and those who seek to follow that teaching. If you bash, you must repent and go to confession.
I’m not plain enough.
 
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