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Inquiringperson
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I know the title’s wordy, but could it be possible that Planned Parenthood be secretly using federal funds for abortions.
Planned Parenthood-Could They Possibly Be Secretly Using Federal Funding to Fund Abortions
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Claire_C
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Of course they are, just not officially. And it’s not exactly a secret, it’s just very easy to deny. This is because money is fungible. When the government sends them tax dollars to distribute birth control and do pap smears, etc, it frees up their other money for abortions. If they weren’t getting the money, they couldn’t afford as many abortions. It’s like the riddle:
You have two coins that add up to 30 cents. One of them is not a nickel. What are they?
Answer: A quarter and a nickel. One of them is not a nickel, but the other is.
You have two coins that add up to 30 cents. One of them is not a nickel. What are they?
Answer: A quarter and a nickel. One of them is not a nickel, but the other is.
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Barbkw
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youtube.com/watch?v=Sdvb_HEQ8ds
Cursor over to **8:00 **for Raymond Arroyo’s interview with past Planned Parenthood manager Abby Johnson.
Planned Parenthood doesn’t report statutory rape, they routinely deal with illegal prostitution through “pimps” and they pass on statutory rape pregnancies (without notifying police) to alter agencies.
Slush funding federal tax dollars (bundling and nonbundling services) through creative accounting procedures…of course they do and always have.
Cursor over to **15:40 **for government funding of Planned Parenthood.
Cursor over to **8:00 **for Raymond Arroyo’s interview with past Planned Parenthood manager Abby Johnson.
Planned Parenthood doesn’t report statutory rape, they routinely deal with illegal prostitution through “pimps” and they pass on statutory rape pregnancies (without notifying police) to alter agencies.
Slush funding federal tax dollars (bundling and nonbundling services) through creative accounting procedures…of course they do and always have.
Cursor over to **15:40 **for government funding of Planned Parenthood.
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lynx
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Secretly, no. But others are right in that if you remove federal funding abortions might be reduced. Since no federal money goes directly to abortions it’s impossible to say what would happen if you removed their funding altogether. Best case Christian scenario is that they focus more on their other services that don’t constitute abortion (97% of services) and less on abortion services (3% of services).
washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/what_planned_parenthood_actually_does/2011/04/06/AFhBPa2C_blog.html?wprss=ezra-klein
The worst case Christian scenario is that PP focuses more on paid services, such as abortions, to make up for lost revenue.
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Barbkw
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How Planned Parenthood moves Federal and State money to finance abortion coverage: cursor over to 34:00
youtube.com/watch?v=Sdvb_HEQ8ds
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Barbkw
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bloodmoneyfilm.com/trailer.php
“We always requested cash and didn’t take credit cards…you don’t have to report cash…”
“We always requested cash and didn’t take credit cards…you don’t have to report cash…”
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lynx
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This doesn’t seem credible. This woman is stating PP is relying on 50% of contraceptives failing in order to make their non-government revenue of ~700million dollars. Not only is that a bad business model, it doesn’t make sense. What information are you hoping I take from this woman who admits earlier in the interview that PP is evil (no bias of course)?
How Planned Parenthood moves Federal and State money to finance abortion coverage: cursor over to 34:00
youtube.com/watch?v=Sdvb_HEQ8ds
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Inquiringperson
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Makes sense.
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markomalley
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It’s called fungibility. Money is fungible. If the government’s money is granted with the restriction that it isn’t used to fund abortion, then money from other sources (like the Gates foundation), that is donated without restriction on how it is used, can be directly shoved into paying for abortions.
One other related point: it is likely that the cost of the abortion procedure itself is the only thing that cannot be paid for with federal money. The PP “Clinic” (a/k/a abortuary) could have its overhead expenses paid for, the salaries of the nurses, admin staff, counselors, and most of the medical equipment covered. Why? Because they “could” be used for other procedures. Even part of the abortionist’s salary could be covered…after all, an abortionist is either an MD or a Nurse Practitioner, right? While they aren’t doing abortions, they could be writing scripts for abortifacient contraceptives or reading sonograms or interpreting STD tests…
The point is that if you eliminate federal funding, the other, unrestricted money that was being used to directly pay for abortions would then have to be used for other purposes, like keeping the lights on.
One other related point: it is likely that the cost of the abortion procedure itself is the only thing that cannot be paid for with federal money. The PP “Clinic” (a/k/a abortuary) could have its overhead expenses paid for, the salaries of the nurses, admin staff, counselors, and most of the medical equipment covered. Why? Because they “could” be used for other procedures. Even part of the abortionist’s salary could be covered…after all, an abortionist is either an MD or a Nurse Practitioner, right? While they aren’t doing abortions, they could be writing scripts for abortifacient contraceptives or reading sonograms or interpreting STD tests…
The point is that if you eliminate federal funding, the other, unrestricted money that was being used to directly pay for abortions would then have to be used for other purposes, like keeping the lights on.
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TheRealJuliane
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What is incredible about this? Young girls and young women are not truly responsible enough to even take oral contraceptives correctly, so even if they used the strongest hormones, the chances that those girls would become pregnant are quite high. What bad business model is making their clinics seem helpful so that when these girls do get pregnant, they go there and are advised to get an abortion? Abortion is a cash business, no reporting is necessary
And by the way, “this woman” is a former director of the Planned Parenthood in Bryan TX. She worked at PP for 9 years, during which she was certain that she was helping women and that PP was as far from evil as it could be. The reason she knows now that PP is evil is that when she tried to cut the numbers of abortions her clinic offered, by pushing contraception, she was told in no uncertain terms that the numbers had to INCREASE, not decrease. Then, one memorable day, she was asked to hold an ultrasound wand on a pregnant woman’s uterus while the doctor sucked out the baby. She had to watch as the baby tried to get away from the suction but instantly it was gone. She had given birth so she knew what that baby would have become had it lived - it was a child. The ache in her heart was intense. It was not easy for her because her head wanted to tell her that surely this organization, that she thought was HELPING women, was not evil, but her eyes and heart told her differently. Suddenly a lot of things made sense, and she got the courage to get out.
She was slated to run our mega-abortion center here in Houston. Instead she is one of our most potent David’s stones against Planned Parenthood. And Planned Parenthood tried to get an injunction against her, to stop her from speaking, but it failed. Take that, Satan!
May God’s will be done.
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cathoichelp
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Only 1/3 of their total funding is federal-
Only around 2-5 percent of their business even involves abortion.
So there is no need to save money here and put it there… Considering the amount of money they get from private donors and fund-raising and only a 1/3 of their budget is coming from federal funding to begin with.
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TheRealJuliane
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Gee, they sure are fighting awfully hard to keep such a small part of their revenue…You must have one of their many publications about how few abortions they do. Let’s see, they are the largest abortion provider in the US…how many of the 53 MILLION abortions since 1973, have been done by PP? I’m sure I can find out. And the cash business? Very lucrative.
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lynx
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First off those numbers she gave had no supporting evidence behind them. Second, it’s not a reasonable idea to give contraceptives to someone, which prevent birth, in the hope that they will fail and they’ll come back for an abortion. If they’re coming back for an abortion that’s because of an ideological choice you had previously, not one that PP forces you have when they give you the contraception.
This woman called out PP as evil. On top of that, you don’t know what axe she has to grind with PP over her leaving the company. Due to her overt bias why should I trust anything she says?
As if PP is associated with Satan
You dislike PP, and that’s fine, but when you tie them up with Satan and being completely evil you lose credibility when you criticize them. As I posted earlier, PP actually does quite a bit of good and very few abortions washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/what_planned_parenthood_actually_does/2011/04/06/AFhBPa2C_blog.html?wprss=ezra-klein To not recognize any of the good they perform shows a wide bias.
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lynx
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About 350million is not small revenue, it will hurt if they lose it. Please, back up (cite) those numbers of abortions, then let us know how many PP performed, then finally how much PP made. I would like to see that number.
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TheRealJuliane
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What source will you accept? I can’t use PP’s own numbers because they aren’t honest. And if I use a pro-life site, you will insist those numbers are not real.
I am glad the cut in funding will hurt PP. They, in the guise of helping women, have killed millions of babies since 1973 (although they were not pro-abortion at first).
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lynx
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Get numbers from both and average them.
It’s not really a guise when 97% of the services you perform don’t involve abortion…
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cathoichelp
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Their mission is to protect women’s reproductive health. To planned parenthood abortion is a huge part of that that is what they are “fighting for”
I know how many abortions there are in the US - but you need to then compare that to all the other services they provide.
Medical care (pregnancy care prenatal care STD treatmen) - contraceptive (free or on a sliding scale) - sexual education -
Around 30-35 percent our their business is contraceptive and around 30-35 percent goes to STD treatment and testing -
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cathoichelp
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You can get any non-profits actual tax records …
I do fund-raising for planned parenthood so I am going by our budget -
But you can go to your state’s AG page and look at the actual records for any non-profit -
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Edward_H
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They aren’t even secret about it. It’s a well known fact. Something like 97% of their budget is focused on killing life or contracepting it. Very little focused on adoptions.
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cathoichelp
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not true
close to 70 percent of their budget is contraceptives and STD testing and treatment though -
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