Planned Parenthood is going to present to my Youth Workshop...right now

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Regular_Atheist said:
Yeah, I don’t really care what sources you can throw at me. I have it on good judgement and evidence that people in their late teens can be just as good at making decisions as those in their later years, and sometimes even better. It doesn’t really matter when the brain fully matures. That doesn’t in anyway prove that teens who use condoms are going to get sudden urges to rip off the rubber and spread chlamydia because they’re too stupid to recognise the importance of safe sex. How stupid do you think they are? That’s like claiming we shouldn’t let teens drive because they’ll suddenly decide to run people over after the thrill of driving normally wears out. Both claims are absurd and are demonstrably false.

I mean, there are arguments against contraception that are quite good. Sadly, this isn’t one of them.
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All contraception has failure rates and a contraception that protects against some things does not protect other things. Safe sex is a myth
 
_Abyssinia said:
All contraception has failure rates and a contraception that protects against some things does not protect other things. Safe sex is a myth
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Well, I wouldn’t say it’s a myth, but you’re right that contraception does have failure rates. That’s probably why I’ve sometimes heard the term ‘safer sex’ used. Often quite low failure rates, though. Also, some failure rates (such as condom failure rates) are base off of typical use rather than perfect use. That is, assuming that there may be some human error in how they are used or that they may not be used all the time.

And the point you’ve made about contraception not protecting against everything is kind of why groups like Planned Parenthood exist - to teach people about contraception, and how to use it.
 
Julia_Mae said:
There is not one chance in 100 billion that Planned Parenthood would ever say anything like that to any woman, of any age, in any place, at any time. No one “okay with girls having promiscuous sex” and no one in Planned Parenthood wants to ever have to provide another abortion to anyone.

If you personally knew these people the way I do instead of just deciding all the buildings are full of demons, you wouldn’t be slandering some pretty great people doing pretty great work, who also provide abortions to those who ask, as per the law in this country.

I’m sick to death of the ugly lies and distortions around here. No one in this non-profit is making money from abortions, a procedure that just takes a great deal of time away from other services they also provide and that need to be provided in greater amounts.

If you knew the abysmal level of ignorance about sexuality and reproduction that is the state of most adolescents in this country, you’d know they could spend five times as much time in education and still not fill the ignorance gap.
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ewtn.com/library/PROLIFE/WYOPOSPP.TXT

Planned Parenthood runs a business providing birth control devices to its customers. Although PP is officially a non-profit organization, IRS regulations allow it to make profits on parts of its operation. PP does make a profit on its sale of birth control devices and seems to operate more to protect that income than its clients

They also get hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer funding yearly

If Planned Parenthood did not want to provide abortions it would not provide them. Planned Parenthood consistantly opposes all abortion restriction laws such as 72 hour waiting laws, parental consent to require abortion and sex selection ban. Simple conclusion as to why they oppose such laws is because abortion restriction laws reduce the abortion rate and that lowers Planned Parenthood’s earnings

Planned Parenthood make most of their money from abortion. They want to eliminate prenatal services which served 31098 women in 2009 to 2010, only reffered 841 for adoption and provided 329445 abortions. 98% of Planned Parenthoods services to pregnant women are abortion says former Planned Parenthood director Abby Johnson
 
I didn’t post this thread for it to become a debate.

These kids here with me are still in SCHOOL. These people that came in were unprofessional. Just disgusted me how ‘adults’ can talk like that.

Thank you Lord. They escorted me out of there, thanks to a guy who could not take it as well. The supervisor commended me for standing up for what I believe in.

I was escorted to a break room, and inside was a worker, also Catholic, reading the bible, and pro life…we chatted about it. I broke down and thanked God for getting me out of there.

They just re affirmed why I am pro life. And guess what? They’ll be back tomorrow.

I won’t be there. I was not rude. I didnt make any nasty snarky comments.

Again, this is not to debate. And with all due respect, I dont care whether you say they would say something or not. They treated the human body as a joke, so I took them as a joke.
 
Julia_Mae said:
Juliane, they provide heath care for women and contraception, that’s well-known and hardly a slant. But why are they at this kind of workshop and what does it have to do with preparing for work? That’s what I don’t understand.
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They don’t provide “healthcare” at all. Contraception is not healthcare and neither is an abortion. I’d ask questions about statistics ie: How many babies do you kill per week? What do you do with their corpses after they are dead? What is the average amount of time it takes to tear a pre-born infant limb from limb and then crush the skull? Does it make a noise? Can the mother-to-be hear the crunch? etc.
 
Maria1993 said:
I didn’t post this thread for it to become a debate.

These kids here with me are still in SCHOOL. These people that came in were unprofessional. Just disgusted me how ‘adults’ can talk like that.

Thank you Lord. They escorted me out of there, thanks to a guy who could not take it as well. The supervisor commended me for standing up for what I believe in.

I was escorted to a break room, and inside was a worker, also Catholic, reading the bible, and pro life…we chatted about it. I broke down and thanked God for getting me out of there.

They just re affirmed why I am pro life. And guess what? They’ll be back tomorrow.

I won’t be there. I was not rude. I didnt make any nasty snarky comments.

Again, this is not to debate. And with all due respect, I dont care whether you say they would say something or not. They treated the human body as a joke, so I took them as a joke.
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God Bless the guy and you for standing up for your beliefs
 
Maria1993 said:
I didn’t post this thread for it to become a debate.

These kids here with me are still in SCHOOL. These people that came in were unprofessional. Just disgusted me how ‘adults’ can talk like that.

Thank you Lord. They escorted me out of there, thanks to a guy who could not take it as well. The supervisor commended me for standing up for what I believe in.

I was escorted to a break room, and inside was a worker, also Catholic, reading the bible, and pro life…we chatted about it. I broke down and thanked God for getting me out of there.

They just re affirmed why I am pro life. And guess what? They’ll be back tomorrow.

I won’t be there. I was not rude. I didnt make any nasty snarky comments.

Again, this is not to debate. And with all due respect, I dont care whether you say they would say something or not. They treated the human body as a joke, so I took them as a joke.
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Sorry, buddy. Didn’t mean to derail your thread.

Oh, and you guys are going to love this. When I was in primary school in the final year, we did sex education and they made us name all the slang for genitals that we could think of. I must have been about eleven at the time.
 
Julia_Mae said:
There is not one chance in 100 billion that Planned Parenthood would ever say anything like that to any woman, of any age, in any place, at any time. No one “okay with girls having promiscuous sex” and no one in Planned Parenthood wants to ever have to provide another abortion to anyone.

If you personally knew these people the way I do instead of just deciding all the buildings are full of demons, you wouldn’t be slandering some pretty great people doing pretty great work, who also provide abortions to those who ask, as per the law in this country.

I’m sick to death of the ugly lies and distortions around here. No one in this non-profit is making money from abortions, a procedure that just takes a great deal of time away from other services they also provide and that need to be provided in greater amounts.

If you knew the abysmal level of ignorance about sexuality and reproduction that is the state of most adolescents in this country, you’d know they could spend five times as much time in education and still not fill the ignorance gap.
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it’s all about the money.
 
God bless the OP for standing up for Catholic Christian values. Planned Parenthood is very busy, doing Satan’s work in the world. The fact that Satan exists does not mean that we have to tolerate his presence. It is absolutely anathema for any Catholic Christian to support the work of this diabolical organization.
 
Regular_Atheist said:
I read up on them, and I’m not sure that’s the case. The source I used was very, very bias, I’ll admit, but I’m pretty sure their main goal is to prevent unwanted pregnancies than simply pushing abortion. **Not that I know much about them, living in the UK and only having read a tiny amount of information about them.
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Is this some kind of sex education thingy? It sounds like they’re trying to educate people about safe sex from what you’ve described and their website.
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Then you have no opinion to offer.

Planned Parenthood makes money from doing abortions. The organization was founded by a racist eugenicist named Margaret Sanger, who wanted to eliminate emancipated slaves and other non-whites. She thought birth control for black and brown-skinned people was a good way to achieve that. Abortions to the level that Planned Parenthood does would have made her very, very happy.

And Planned Parenthood still gives out the Margaret Sanger award to the person who has been the most supportive of her only mildly hidden agenda. Hillary Clinton received that award a couple of years ago.
 
_Abyssinia said:
ewtn.com/library/PROLIFE/WYOPOSPP.TXT

Planned Parenthood runs a business providing birth control devices to its customers. Although PP is officially a non-profit organization, IRS regulations allow it to make profits on parts of its operation. PP does make a profit on its sale of birth control devices and seems to operate more to protect that income than its clients

They also get hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer funding yearly

If Planned Parenthood did not want to provide abortions it would not provide them. Planned Parenthood consistantly opposes all abortion restriction laws such as 72 hour waiting laws, parental consent to require abortion and sex selection ban. Simple conclusion as to why they oppose such laws is because abortion restriction laws reduce the abortion rate and that lowers Planned Parenthood’s earnings

Planned Parenthood make most of their money from abortion. They want to eliminate prenatal services which served 31098 women in 2009 to 2010, only reffered 841 for adoption and provided 329445 abortions. 98% of Planned Parenthoods services to pregnant women are abortion says former Planned Parenthood director Abby Johnson
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Julia_Mae said:
There is not one chance in 100 billion that Planned Parenthood would ever say anything like that to any woman, of any age, in any place, at any time. No one “okay with girls having promiscuous sex” **and no one in Planned Parenthood wants to ever have to provide another abortion to anyone. **

If you personally knew these people the way I do instead of just deciding all the buildings are full of demons, you wouldn’t be slandering some pretty great people doing pretty great work, who also provide abortions to those who ask, as per the law in this country.

I’m sick to death of the ugly lies and distortions around here. No one in this non-profit is making money from abortions, a procedure that just takes a great deal of time away from other services they also provide and that need to be provided in greater amounts.

If you knew the abysmal level of ignorance about sexuality and reproduction that is the state of most adolescents in this country, you’d know they could spend five times as much time in education and still not fill the ignorance gap.
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You remind me so much of Abby Johnson, who used to run the PP clinic up in Bryan, TX. She too, thought that PP was helping women. Then the management started questioning why her numbers of abortions were going DOWN instead of UP. But wait! Isn’t that what was supposed to happen? Abortions were supposed to become “safe, legal, and rare!” No, Abby was told to improve her numbers of abortions, or risk losing her job. Then she was called on to assist during an abortion, and she held the ultrasound wand so that the doctor could “see” the baby he was tearing limb from limb. The two experiences added up in her mind and she finally understood what PP’s real mission is. And she left, and she’s been telling the truth about PP ever since.

PP tried to stop her from speaking, but failed. Praise God for that.

And Then There Were None. Her ministry is helping people who want out of the abortion industry to find other jobs.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
You remind me so much of Abby Johnson, who used to run the PP clinic up in Bryan, TX. She too, thought that PP was helping women. Then the management started questioning why her numbers of abortions were going DOWN instead of UP. But wait! Isn’t that what was supposed to happen? Abortions were supposed to become “safe, legal, and rare!” No, Abby was told to improve her numbers of abortions, or risk losing her job. Then she was called on to assist during an abortion, and she held the ultrasound wand so that the doctor could “see” the baby he was tearing limb from limb. The two experiences added up in her mind and she finally understood what PP’s real mission is. And she left, and she’s been telling the truth about PP ever since.

PP tried to stop her from speaking, but failed. Praise God for that.
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TheRealJuliane said:
Then you have no opinion to offer.

Planned Parenthood makes money from doing abortions. The organization was founded by a racist eugenicist named Margaret Sanger, who wanted to eliminate emancipated slaves and other non-whites. She thought birth control for black and brown-skinned people was a good way to achieve that. Abortions to the level that Planned Parenthood does would have made her very, very happy.
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Yeah, but that happened an awfully long time ago and there’s little to suggest that those ideals are still the ones that ‘Planned Parenthood’ support. The early Catholics did lots of horrendous things, and the church has been very corrupt in the past, but that doesn’t mean Catholicism is somehow evil because of this.

Also, this source suggests that she wasn’t a racist or a pro-Nazi:
nyu.edu/projects/sanger/secure/newsletter/articles/sanger-hitler_equation.html

Having said that, I don’t know much about the source. You can take it or leave it. Give me some sources of your own and I’ll be happy to jump aboard the anti-Planned Parenthood band wagon. Well, as long as they’re not from ‘Life Site News’.
TheRealJuliane said:
And Planned Parenthood still gives out the Margaret Sanger award to the person who has been the most supportive of her only mildly hidden agenda. Hillary Clinton received that award a couple of years ago.
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I think you’re trying a bit too hard to demonize people who are pro-choice. Generally they just have a rather twisted view of what is alive and what isn’t. I’m assuming the Planned Parenthood people are the same.

So, yeah, some sources on PP being Nazis and racists and stuff, please.
 
Regular_Atheist said:
Sorry, buddy. Didn’t mean to derail your thread.

Oh, and you guys are going to love this. When I was in primary school in the final year, we did sex education and they made us name all the slang for genitals that we could think of. I must have been about eleven at the time.
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No hard feelings. 🙂
 
This guy came in telling us what his daughter called her ‘private part’.

His daughter. Telling it to us strangers.

What education is this? My generation needs to wait for love. Whether youre religious or Atheist. YOU desrerve to be treated with respect and not like a sex object.

The guy that left had a daughter.

Children used to be a blessing, and now they are a burden.I will be walking out tomorrow as well.

You wanna know the best part? (this I heard as I walkedin and sat down) They are gonna give us all jamba juice or starbucks card.
Probably funded by abortion money. No thank you.
 
We are in a battle against the evil one and must trust and rely on our Lord and His angels in standing strong and resisting and being His witnesses for Truth. You are called as a soldier for Him as we are in the Church Militant. Much prayer and live as close to Him as you can. He will give us the words - blessings and prayers .

Mlz
 
Maria1993 said:
This guy came in telling us what his daughter called her ‘private part’.

His daughter. Telling it to us strangers.

What education is this? My generation needs to wait for love. Whether youre religious or Atheist. YOU desrerve to be treated with respect and not like a sex object.

The guy that left had a daughter.

Children used to be a blessing, and now they are a burden. I will be walking out tomorrow as well.

You wanna know the best part? (this I heard as I walkedin and sat down) They are gonna give us all jamba juice or starbucks card.
Probably funded by abortion money. No thank you.
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“For behold, the days are coming when they will say, `Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never gave suck!’” Luke 23:29
 
Regular_Atheist said:
Yeah, but that happened an awfully long time ago and there’s little to suggest that those ideals are still the ones that ‘Planned Parenthood’ support. The early Catholics did lots of horrendous things, and the church has been very corrupt in the past, but that doesn’t mean Catholicism is somehow evil because of this.

Also, this source suggests that she wasn’t a racist or a pro-Nazi:
nyu.edu/projects/sanger/secure/newsletter/articles/sanger-hitler_equation.html

Having said that, I don’t know much about the source. You can take it or leave it. Give me some sources of your own and I’ll be happy to jump aboard the anti-Planned Parenthood band wagon. Well, as long as they’re not from ‘Life Site News’.

I think you’re trying a bit too hard to demonize people who are pro-choice. Generally they just have a rather twisted view of what is alive and what isn’t. I’m assuming the Planned Parenthood people are the same.

So, yeah, some sources on PP being Nazis and racists and stuff, please.
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Just because Lifesitenews is a pro life source does not mean that it is not credible

Sanger wrote about Austrslian Aborigines on page 47 of ‘What every girl should know’

‘It is said that a fish as large as a man has a brain no larger than the kernel of an almond. In all fish and reptiles where there is no great brain development, there is also no conscious sexual control. The lower down in the scale of human development we go the less sexual control we find. It is said that the aboriginal Australian, the lowest known species of the human family, just a step higher than the chimpanzee in brain development, has so little sexual control that police authority alone prevents him from obtaining sexual satisfaction on the streets’

Margaret Sanger started another birth control organization with Henry Pratt Fairchild who wrote The Melting Pot Mistake where he accused Jews of diluting American stock. The Melting Pot Mistake, 1926, pp. 212 ff)

In his book ‘Race and Nationality,’ (1947) he accused anti semitism and the holocaust in part on ‘the Jews.’ Fairchild, Race and Nationality, 1947, page 147, but pages 137 - 161

Lothrop Stoddard was on the board directors of Margaret Sanger’s Population Association of America. He wrote a book while on the board called, ‘The Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy’

Stoddard met Hitler

Sanger was the editor of the Birth Control Review from 1917 to 1938. Many articles from racist eugenicists wrote columns for the Birth Control Review, and as editor Sanger must of had the final say on those columns being allowed to be published

Page 32 of the April 1933 issue says ‘edited by Margaret Sanger’
 
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