Planned Parenthood is going to present to my Youth Workshop...right now

[Dawnia]

That is YOUR opinion. You do not get to make that choice for other women. Most Catholic women of childbearing age use some form of ABC, despite Church teachings.

“Enter through the narrow gate;* for the gate is wide and the road broad that leads to destruction, and those who enter through it are many. How narrow the gate and constricted the road that leads to life. And those who find it are few. Matthew 7:13-14

 

[fix]

I don’t defend abortion. I defend the right of women to make the choice to have one or not.

That is abortion support.

Some of the reasons they have I would not agree with. I would prefer that any woman who became pregnant was in a position where she didn’t feel the need to have an abortion.

Replace the word abortion with genocide and defend that.

Better education in regards to contraception would help. Isn’t there an organisation that could possibly fulfil that role? I mean, if parenthood was something you could plan, rather than leaving it to chance? That’s what we need.

Don’t you agree?

I do not agree at all. Abortion is murder. Rationalizing murder is evil.

 

[Personanongrata]

Heaven is not a democracy - the fact that “most” women (or anybody) do something is not actually an endorsement of the behaviour - it just means that a lot of people commit sin.

Not arguing, just pointing out the obvious hypocrisy.

 

[jmcrae]

Not arguing, just pointing out the obvious hypocrisy.

Yes, there are hypocrites. “All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.” So what?That doesn’t mean the message isn’t really true - it just means that some people don’t follow it.

It’s like saying you won’t go to the dentist because you know people who don’t brush their teeth regularly.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Yes.

Very sad.

:nope:

 

[Personanongrata]

Very sad.

:nope:

Thank God, we can have differing opinions.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Thank God, we can have differing opinions.

Except that supporting an organization that performs abortions, and as you say, being “pro-choice,” goes directly against the Church you say you belong to.

By the way, since you say women should have that “choice,” what about the future women who are aborted? Do they have a choice?

 

[Maria1993]

The people who claim to be for any rights are not even for the right to life. That does not make sense.

Like I said. Catholics for choice = Vegans for Meat

Did you not read anything about the children left to die after failed abortions? If that does not move anyone, then I don’t know what will.

 

[Personanongrata]

Except that supporting an organization that performs abortions, and as you say, being “pro-choice,” goes directly against the Church you say you belong to.

By the way, since you say women should have that “choice,” what about the future women who are aborted? Do they have a choice?

Women have a choice when they utilize PP services, just like I have a choice when I see my private physician. I don’t have a right to tell other women where to go for services just because I think I know what’s best for them. I don’t.

Catholic women use birth control and that goes directly against the Church They say they belong to.

 

[jmcrae]

Catholic women use birth control and that goes directly against the Church They say they belong to.

The fact that people do something does not make it okay to do it. Other people’s disobedience would not justify your disobedience or my disobedience - when you come to the Judgement Day, the excuse of “but everyone else was doing it” will not justify you.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Women have a choice when they utilize PP services, just like I have a choice when I see my private physician. I don’t have a right to tell other women where to go for services just because I think I know what’s best for them. I don’t.

Catholic women use birth control and that goes directly against the Church They say they belong to.

Did you understand my question? I don’t think you did.

50% of the babies aborted are female, thus, future women. But they have no choice, since they have been killed in their mother’s wombs. Do you see any problem with the “woman’s choice” logic? If women have the choice, then by extension, these future women should not have their choice taken away.

 

[Bradski]

I do not agree at all.

So you wouldn’t support better education on contraception. Do you think people should be free to use contraception?

 

[Maria1993]

The reason why women use it who are Catholic is because they do not know the teachings. I myself did not even know the teachings of the church pertaining to contraception. Until I came here and started reading and learning more.

 

[Personanongrata]

Did you understand my question? I don’t think you did.

50% of the babies aborted are female, thus, future women. But they have no choice, since they have been killed in their mother’s wombs. Do you see any problem with the “woman’s choice” logic? If women have the choice, then by extension, these future women should not have their choice taken away.

I understood your question. I’m just not going to argue with you. You are entitled to your opinion. If you want “future” women to have a choice, then work to over turn the abortion laws and shut down Planned Parenthood. That is your choice.

 

[Bradski]

The reason why women use it who are Catholic is because they do not know the teachings. I myself did not even know the teachings of the church pertaining to contraception. Until I came here and started reading and learning more.

I don’t think that’s quite right. I’d say that the vast majority of Catholics know it’s meant to be wrong but use it anyway. They simply ignore the church’s teaching in this regard because, put simply, they think the church is wrong.

Do you think that if the Vatican took a full page ad in the most popular papers around the world and explained it’s position on contraception that its use would immediately drop? I don’t think so.

They use contraception because (and I’m sure this won’t come as a surprise) they have sex just for the fun of it and don’t want to get pregnant. That’s what Planned Parenthood is about. Accepting that people have sex just because they want to (the horror!) and educating them about how not to get pregnant.

And guess what…if people who don’t want kids don’t get pregnant, they don’t have abortions. I am constantly bemused by people who argue against abortion spend an equal amount of time arguing against the one method which will reduce them.

Oh, apart from not having sex. But then God, in His infinite wisdom, gave kids an extra boost of hormones just at the point in their lives when they are least able to control them. And how come He made it so much fun? Just so some people could feel righteous in denying themselves?

 

[TheRealJuliane]

I understood your question. I’m just not going to argue with you. You are entitled to your opinion. If you want “future” women to have a choice, **then work to over turn the abortion laws and shut down Planned Parenthood. ** That is your choice.

Yes, it is, and yes, I am.

 

[peace2u2]

I’m doing some work readiness workshop, and Planned Parenthood (for some reason) is going to make a presentation to me and about 7 other teens.

My face went from a smile, to just… Anger. I just went cold. I don’t want to hear their ****. I told the workshop advisor I was strictly pro life, he allowed me to step out, or just sit and tune out.
:banghead::crying:

I have to resist the urge to tell them anything. I hope they don’t show.

Thinking about all the babies that have been aborted is fueling anger.

Please pray for me and others here

PS. The bleeped out word is not even a curse word,

This is your chance to change their hearts! Welcome them and when your through send them here!

 

[jmcrae]

I don’t think that’s quite right. I’d say that the vast majority of Catholics know it’s meant to be wrong but use it anyway. They simply ignore the church’s teaching in this regard because, put simply, they think the church is wrong.

Do you think that if the Vatican took a full page ad in the most popular papers around the world and explained it’s position on contraception that its use would immediately drop? I don’t think so.

They use contraception because (and I’m sure this won’t come as a surprise) they have sex just for the fun of it and don’t want to get pregnant. That’s what Planned Parenthood is about. Accepting that people have sex just because they want to (the horror!) and educating them about how not to get pregnant.

And guess what…if people who don’t want kids don’t get pregnant, they don’t have abortions. I am constantly bemused by people who argue against abortion spend an equal amount of time arguing against the one method which will reduce them.

Since the legalization of contraception, abortion rates (both legal and illegal) have gone through the roof - contraception doesn’t prevent abortion; actually, it provides the justification for it. “My contraception didn’t work, so I need an abortion.”

Prior to the legalization of contraception, the majority of people waited until they were married before having sex, and those who didn’t wait, knew the risk that they might get pregnant. Some thought of getting abortions, but most of them opted for adoption.

Oh, apart from not having sex. But then God, in His infinite wisdom, gave kids an extra boost of hormones just at the point in their lives when they are least able to control them. And how come He made it so much fun? Just so some people could feel righteous in denying themselves?

God didn’t intend for childhood to extend as long as we have made it - most people in Biblical times were married by the time they were fourteen.

God made sex fun so that we would reproduce, but He also gave us brains, and provided us with self-control - yes, even teenagers have self-control. We expect them to have self-control when we give them the keys to the car, so why wouldn’t we expect it in other areas of life, too?

 

[Bradski]

Since the legalization of contraception, abortion rates (both legal and illegal) have gone through the roof - contraception doesn’t prevent abortion; actually, it provides the justification for it. “My contraception didn’t work, so I need an abortion.”

I think that you just made that up, Jim. It seems that making contraception more easily available, coupled with better education as to its use actually reduces abortion rates considerably.

“Providing birth control to women at no cost substantially reduced unplanned pregnancies and cut abortion rates by a range of 62-78 percent compared to the national rate, a new study shows”. news.wustl.edu/news/Pages/24334.aspx

And news from our good friends in Europe…

“Special family planning programs in the Netherlands target groups at risk of unwanted pregnancy, particularly teenage pregnancy. Almost all secondary schools and about 50% of primary schools address sexuality and contraception. Sex education has largely been integrated in general health education programs”.

…and how does that affect abortions? According to you they would increase. But the Netherlands, with the most comprehensive sex education system on the planet also has the lowest abortion rate on the planet.

“The abortion rate fluctuates between 5 to 7/1000 women of reproductive age, the lowest abortion rate in the world”. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7971545

It appears you are spectacularly wrong, Jim. Would you now agree that easier access to contraception and better sex education would reduce abortions? To deny it would seem perverse.

 

[jmcrae]

It appears you are spectacularly wrong, Jim. Would you now agree that easier access to contraception and better sex education would reduce abortions? To deny it would seem perverse.

Better sex education is probably the key, rather than access to contraceptives. If people understand what sex is, and that it is designed to lead to pregnancy, this will do a lot more to reduce premarital sexual activity and extra-marital pregnancy than any number of condoms or pills.

I am all in favour of sex education, and the best program out there is Theology of the Body by Pope John Paul II.

But if you give people contraceptives but don’t educate them about what sex is, then the rate of abortion will certainly go up.