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Planned Parenthood senior official caught discussing business in fetal organs [CWN]
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Elizium23
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Would you support expansion of abortion in response to rising demand in the organ and tissue markets? Would you propose involuntary abortions if the organs were needed enough? What about intentionally impregnating women in order to perform an abortion and organ harvest? Still fine with that?Absolutely.
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EmperorNapoleon
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Because cures for diseases and disorders do not happen by themselves. It requires medical research. Years of laborious medical research that require tissue samples. Transplantation requires organs to transplant. There is no sense in incinerating viable organs and tissue.Why?
How about letting the intended recipients die because you don’t like where the donor organs came from? Do you want to explain to a mother that her child had to die to satisfy your religious beliefs?Would you support expansion of abortion in response to rising demand in the organ and tissue markets? Would you propose involuntary abortions if the organs were needed enough? What about intentionally impregnating women in order to perform an abortion and organ harvest? Still fine with that?
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MarcoPolo
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Oh no, NP!! Does this mean you are going to sacrifice your body for science right now?! You believe in sacrificing healthy lives in the name of “cures”? Don’t do it! You have dignity and potential!!! There are many other ways to find cures!!!Because cures for diseases and disorders do not happen by themselves. It requires medical research. Years of laborious medical research that require tissue samples. Transplantation requires organs to transplant. There is no sense in incinerating viable organs and tissue.
p.s. see post 136. PP may week have profited at least in transactions with StemExpress.
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Elizium23
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Answer my questions.questions
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EmperorNapoleon
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No, you answer mine because those are the only two that are relevant here.Answer my questions.
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Path_Finder
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Chances are, they may find something illegal here,** organ harvesting which is not tissue** or as outlined well in this thread, not performing a procedure a certain way in order to get a body part. Chances are.
Of course, now we are seeing a circling of the wagons on the other side.
Actually, the Planned Parenthood Body Parts Business is Likely Very Illegal
stream.org/actually-planned-parenthood-body-parts-business-likely-illegal/
So if one is defending this, besides it being grossly immoral and cruel, it may well be afoul of the law. Illegal.Planned Parenthood ‘absolutely’ involved in the illegal sale of baby parts, says investigative journalist
liveactionnews.org/planned-parenthood-absolutely-involved-illegal-sale-baby-parts-says-video-creator/
Of course, now we are seeing a circling of the wagons on the other side.
Obama Spokesman on Planned Parenthood Selling Aborted Baby Parts: They Say They’re “Ethical”
lifenews.com/2015/07/17/obama-spokesman-on-planned-parenthood-selling-aborted-baby-parts-they-say-theyre-ethical/
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jediliz
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That sounds like sometjing the nazis did…Would you support expansion of abortion in response to rising demand in the organ and tissue markets? Would you propose involuntary abortions if the organs were needed enough? What about intentionally impregnating women in order to perform an abortion and organ harvest? Still fine with that?
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Elizium23
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If you’re going to be that way, then I’ll just take silence as a “yes” on all counts, and consider your opinion irrelevant and offensive here.No, you answer mine because those are the only two that are relevant here.
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Theo520
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Here’s a rough but possible scenario to illustrate your point:According to the lead investigator, David Daleiden, Planned Parenthood affiliates often incurred $0 additional costs when passing on the organs. The buyer came to the laboratory with their own equipment, simply receiving the organ down the hallway. Thus the $30-100 would potentially be 100% profit. A few of those every day could add up to thousands and thousands of dollars in a year. See partial transcript of interview with Daleiden here.
- PP charges a client $700 for a surgical abortion (includes disposal costs)
- Client checks the donation box, pays $700, and has her procedure.
- PP obtains 2 samples from the procedure and is compensated an extra $120-$200.
The real questions are
- what % of procedures go this route
- how many samples they typically obtain from a single abortion
- do they have any out of pocket shipping (is collection on-site)
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Path_Finder
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Unfortunately, not just Planned Parenthood but the abortion industry in general has been a money maker for some individuals.
But as for this Doctor, Nucatola:
But as for this Doctor, Nucatola:
Records reveal that Nucatola was employed by a former White House staffer at the time that she was selling aborted baby fetus parts.
Read more: dailycaller.com/2015/07/17/disgraced-planned-parenthood-official-works-for-white-house-staff-her-right-wing-hatred-exposed/#ixzz3gDAwjI54Nucatola is currently employed at Sexual Health Innovations, founded by former Obama White House staffer Jessica Ladd. Senior Obama administration officials sit on the board of the abortion activist group, including Praveen Basaviah of the President’s Advisory Council on HIV/AIDS and Kyle Bernstein of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The IRS-approved 501(c)3 tech nonprofit is a major Obama administration contractor.
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MarcoPolo
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Yeah, I mean depending on the accuracy of Daleiden’s testimony and the volume of organs sold, each PP affiliate could rake in quite a tidy sum of extra money. Nucatola at one point said the affiliates want to make sure it “doesn’t look like they’re making money,” so perhaps the smaller amounts per specimen were easier to launder. It’s hard to say without first-hand data, but this could potentially be legally disastrous for PP. But along with what you said, accounting gimmickery could have washed much of this aside, especially if there is no record of how the organs were transmitted to the buyer. They could just say they had to store them and do this or that damage control worth $50, or who knows what. But I am glad this has come to light. Theoretically, even if PP is fully absolved of any wrongdoing (far-fetched as that should be, but not so far-fetched when you consider the US court system…), this exposure should incentivize all PP affiliates to avoid sketchy sales and actually disclose the money they make to clients, which, theoretically, should lead to fewer incidents.Here’s a rough but possible scenario to illustrate your point:
So, just two samples can yield a 15%-30% revenue increase for PP from the procedure, this is hardly small potatoes.
- PP charges a client $700 for a surgical abortion (includes disposal costs)
- Client checks the donation box, pays $700, and has her procedure.
- PP obtains 2 samples from the procedure and is compensated an extra $120-$200.
The real questions are
I expect all their costs are allocated overhead and indirect costs through the miracle of fuzzy cost accounting, and are not direct costs.
- what % of procedures go this route
- how many samples they typically obtain from a single abortion
- do they have any out of pocket shipping (is collection on-site)
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zz912
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Yes. God Himself commanded Moses to send out 12 spies to survey the promised land. There was also the spies for Jericho.Reading comments on news stories, someone brought something up that is now bothering me. Can a Christian take part in deceit even if the result is good in some way? Isn’t praising the video makers in a sense praising deceit? Do the ends justify the means in this case?
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zz912
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That’s just horrific.Absolutely.
All I can say is I will light a candle for your this Sunday and pray for you, you need it badly.
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Theo520
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Non-profits like this provide all the executive perks that are available to ‘for profit’ organizations. Good salaries, expense accounts, bonuses, fees for board members.Unfortunately, not just Planned Parenthood but the abortion industry in general has been a money maker for some individuals.
But as for this Doctor, Nucatola:
Read more: dailycaller.com/2015/07/17/disgraced-planned-parenthood-official-works-for-white-house-staff-her-right-wing-hatred-exposed/#ixzz3gDAwjI54
It’s on the rare side to see a profit company that actually distributes profit dividends to shareholders.
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lax16
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Please provide proof where research using the tissue/organs from aborted babies have proved successful in the cure of disease and disorders.Because cures for diseases and disorders do not happen by themselves. It requires medical research. Years of laborious medical research that require tissue samples. Transplantation requires organs to transplant. There is no sense in incinerating viable organs and tissue.
If it is such a good idea, why has it been kept undercover?
In the cases where an aborted fetus (baby) is still alive, do you think the doctor that then kills the still living fetus is doing the right thing, in the name of medical advances?
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EmperorNapoleon
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cnn.com/2015/07/17/health/fetal-tissue-explainer/Please provide proof where research using the tissue/organs from aborted babies have proved successful in the cure of disease and disorders.
If it is such a good idea, why has it been kept undercover?
I’m not sure what you’re asking.In the cases where an aborted fetus (baby) is still alive, do you think the doctor that then kills the still living fetus is doing the right thing, in the name of medical advances?
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TexCatholic4JMJ
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cnn.com/2015/07/17/health/fetal-tissue-explainer/
The key word that is not explained in this article is “successful.” Experimentation has
been done, but results with fetal tissue have produced tumors, etc. On the other hand,
successful results have resulted from adult stem cells. Such as bone marrow
transplants for leukemia. There are many others. I believe the website that enumerates
them is stemcellresearch.org
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lax16
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The article states that using fetal tissue is on its way out because they don’t really need it anymore. It also states that they have used other tissue successfully. It seems obvious fetal tissue is not NECESSARY and never has been.
Often, when a baby is aborted, it is still alive. The doctor must then do something to kill the baby. Are you okay with that?I’m not sure what you’re asking.
Wouldn’t you say this whole situation makes it perfectly clear that what is being aborted is not a clump of cells to be thrown in the trash but a human being with eyes, ears, legs, and organs?
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EmperorNapoleon
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[BIBLEDRB][/BIBLEDRB]
Vaccines for polio, chickenpox, rubella, and shingles are examples of sucess.cnn.com/2015/07/17/health/fetal-tissue-explainer/
The key word that is not explained in this article is “successful.” Experimentation has
been done, but results with fetal tissue have produced tumors, etc. On the other hand,
successful results have resulted from adult stem cells. Such as bone marrow
transplants for leukemia. There are many others. I believe the website that enumerates
them is stemcellresearch.org
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