Planned Parenthood senior official caught discussing business in fetal organs [CWN]

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Murmurs said:
The real scandal is that his kind of badly-edited video is used as a pretext for doing something immensely damaging.
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Please stop spreading this falsehood put out by Planned Parenthood. They have posted the full and unedited videos online as well, and there is no “editing” that changes anything. They edited for brevity, but content was unchanged. This is a desperation lie thrown out by PP to get people who are too lazy to watch the unedited videos to discount what their own people are saying on video.
What goes through the minds of people who have a mindset that says “I’ll defund major health organisation that helps millions of women every year, is widely supported by a majority of Americans, and gives serious medical attention to women who need it, for me - because less than 5% of their money is spent on abortion, an issue which, like it or not, was settled by the Supreme Court over 40 years ago?”
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That 5% is a complete lie. If abortion was only 3-5% of their business, then they could drop it and still move forward. No business goes out of business from losing 3-5% of their revenue. They are lying about that number.
Planned Parenthood has quite probably prevented more abortions than everyone who opposes the organisation put together.
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This is just horrifically messed up. I seriously can’t even fathom how you have the indecency to even type that out.
 
sarah_j said:
Yes, it makes me happy, too…I love my Coke!

Planned Parenthood insinuated on their website that Coke, Ford, and other companies were donors. When, in fact, they were not.
PP is quite deceptive ! After Coke, Ford, and Xerox asked to have their names
removed from the website, PP removed the names of ALL the “donors”.
I posted this on another thread, but in case you didn’t see it, this will brighten your day. 😉
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I understand, too, that some companies may have contributed in the past and have stopped.

AT&T once contributed and stopped:

lifesitenews.com/opinion/deja-vu-planned-parenthood-also-demonized-att-when-it-decided-to-cut-fundin
PPFA purchased full page ads costing an average of $40,000 each in The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, Investor’s Daily and USA Today headlined with: “Caving in to extremists, AT&T hangs up on Planned Parenthood.” The ads also had two coupons: one for contributions and one to send to AT&T.
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I remember that ad; I wrote to AT&T to support their decision not to fund.
 
zz912 said:
That 5% is a complete lie. If abortion was only 3-5% of their business, then they could drop it and still move forward. No business goes out of business from losing 3-5% of their revenue. They are lying about that number.
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Excellent point ! 👍
Murmurs said:
Planned Parenthood has quite probably prevented more abortions than everyone who opposes the organisation put together.
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zz912 said:
This is just horrifically messed up. I seriously can’t even fathom how you have the indecency to even type that out.
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That’s just part of the spin PP puts on their abortion activities. They say that
if they weren’t providing sex education and contraceptives that the number of
abortions in this country would be even higher.
…They are actually providing a Godly service, you see. :mad:
 
These companies that are dropping Planned Parenthood or discovering they should never had been among their listed contributors are to be applauded. Let’s hear about ALL the businesses dropping and helping to make sure Planned Parenthood is DE-funded .
 
zz912 said:
That 5% is a complete lie. If abortion was only 3-5% of their business, then they could drop it and still move forward. No business goes out of business from losing 3-5% of their revenue. They are lying about that number.
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It’s not quite a business though, is it?

If McDonald’s was barred from selling its filet-o’-fish sandwich, (which I don’t know let’s say is 5% of their business), they’d certainly not go out of business; moreover McDonald’s also presumably wouldn’t consider providing cheap and dubious-quality (if intriguingly delicious) fish-based fast food their central raison d’être, and while might well kick up a fuss for losing a revenue stream, would manage perfectly well hawking beef, chicken, ice cream, confusing salads and those apple pie things that contain lava rather than apple.

However Planned Parenthood isn’t McDonald’s. It considers itself to have a greater sense of “mission” than most businesses (for all many companies’ “mission statements”) - one of which is in their view the provision of what they hold to be a fundamental right for a woman to access abortion.

I agree it is primarily an “abortion provider” or whatever you want to call it, even if “only” 3-5% of its 11million yearly interactions are ‘actual’ abortions (and ok I’ll readily concede the 3% might not include emergency contraception which for some people “isn’t” abortion because it stops implantation, but is in your and my books for sure).

“Actual” abortions can well constitute ~5% of their activities and yet be a significant aspect of their work, if PP as an organisation believes sufficiently hard in abortion as an aspect of reproductive rights (which it clearly does). To go back to McDonald’s - perhaps hamburgers constitute a smallish part of their sold product (let’s say for sake of argument), but are pretty central to the company and what it considers itself to be about.

My point is the 5% is potentially (as DeniseNY pointed out up the thread) misleading, because if nothing else abortion is so important to PP regardless of the percentages of its activities that aren’t directly abortion-related. That 5% of what they do is, to PP, very very important (like beef burgers to McD’s) and presumably, in either case in fact, those who run the organisations couldn’t conceive of operating without being able to undertake that core activity regardless of how much of what they do is actually part of it.
 
sarah_j said:
Excellent point ! 👍

That’s just part of the spin PP puts on their abortion activities. They say that
if they weren’t providing sex education and contraceptives that the number of
abortions in this country would be even higher.
…They are actually providing a Godly service, you see. :mad:
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Another dirty little piece of info,re PP evil agenda. They provide inferior contraceptives,knowing that the failure rate of such,will increase the need for abortions.It is a fact,that those who contracept,are way more likely to abort when the contraception fails.Additionally,they target minority and young teens,for the same sole purpose.Again anyone who thinks PP is doing an iota of good ,get your heads out of the sand people.They are doing the devils’ work!:mad:
 
Jeanne_S said:
Another dirty little piece of info,re PP evil agenda. They provide inferior contraceptives,knowing that the failure rate of such,will increase the need for abortions
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Now, while I am a vocal advocate against PP and its philosophy, I am quite skeptical of this.

Can you please provide a source for this assertion that PP intentionally provides “inferior contraceptives”? What, exactly, is an “inferior” contraceptive anyway?
 
PRmerger said:
Now, while I am a vocal advocate against PP and its philosophy, I am quite skeptical of this.

Can you please provide a source for this assertion that PP intentionally provides “inferior contraceptives”? What, exactly, is an “inferior” contraceptive anyway?
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Pretty much every contraceptive short of sterilization has a failure rate . What PP does is go into our schools and other venues and promote the lie of safe sex-that one can have sex with no consequences as long as they are "protecting themselves.

In my years of counseling in a crisis pregnancy center just about every woman who had a positive pregnancy test had been using contraception
 
estesbob said:
Pretty much every contraceptive short of sterilization has a failure rate . What PP does is go into our schools and other venues and promote the lie of safe sex-that one can have sex with no consequences as long as they are "protecting themselves.

In my years of counseling in a crisis pregnancy center just about every woman who had a positive pregnancy test had been using contraception
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Now this, I can assert with confidence.

But how I read Jeanne’s comment was that PP gives contraceptives to teens that are of less quality than the ones that are available, with the hopes that these “inferior” ones will indeed result in pregnancy.

That’s qualitatively different than what you are maintaining which is: PP gives contraceptives to kids. And contraceptives fail.

I take issue with her use of the adjective “inferior”. All contraceptives have the possibility of failure, so it is implicit in their use.
 
PRmerger said:
Now, while I am a vocal advocate against PP and its philosophy, I am quite skeptical of this.

Can you please provide a source for this assertion that PP intentionally provides “inferior contraceptives”? What, exactly, is an “inferior” contraceptive anyway?
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Google Planned Parenhood inferior condoms,an article from Consumer’s Report will state this as being a fact.Itvalso states that this is intentional.
 
PRmerger said:
Now this, I can assert with confidence.

But how I read Jeanne’s comment was that PP gives contraceptives to teens that are of less quality than the ones that are available, with the hopes that these “inferior” ones will indeed result in pregnancy.

That’s qualitatively different than what you are maintaining which is: PP gives contraceptives to kids. And contraceptives fail.

I take issue with her use of the adjective “inferior”. All contraceptives have the possibility of failure, so it is implicit in their use.
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Murmurs said:
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Planned Parenthood has quite probably prevented more abortions than everyone who opposes the organisation put together.

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This might be the most transparently disingenuous statement I have ever read on CA forums.
Really, statements like this make it hard to have serious discussion.
 
PRmerger said:
Ah. Thank you.

But I need a source that says they know that they are distributing an inferior condom.

Sources for this, please?

The source you offered in fact refutes your claim.
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I believe the source is Consumer repots. I don’t think PP deliberately hands out defective condoms-they just buy the cheapest possible. I think PP could not care less if the condoms are effective.
 
Planned Parenthood has quite probably prevented more abortions than everyone who opposes the organisation put together.
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or/and Catholics.
This is almost like a statement made to get a reaction from pro-lifers.
 
estesbob said:
I believe the source is Consumer repots. I don’t think PP deliberately hands out defective condoms-they just buy the cheapest possible. I think PP could not care less if the condoms are effective.
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Regardless of the source the outcome is the same.An unplanned pregnancy which will line the pockets of PP by way of their very favorite activity…killing the unborn.😦
 
estesbob said:
I believe the source is Consumer repots. I don’t think PP deliberately hands out defective condoms-they just buy the cheapest possible.
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Egg-zactly. It’s the intentionally part which I took issue with in Jeanne’s statement.
I think PP could not care less if the condoms are effective.
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Who knows?
 
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