Planned Parenthood senior official caught discussing business in fetal organs [CWN]

[estesbob]

Well in 2009 and 2013 it was more like 3% but let’s say 5% anyway.

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issuu.com/actionfund/docs/annual_report_final_proof_12.16.14_/0

Abortion represents about 3-5% of PP’s total services (it may be more than 5% of its costs, I’m not sure, but that’s largely irrelevant). Roughly 1/10 of PP clients received an abortion. While PP does of course get federal funding (and lots of it), by law those funds can’t be used for abortions anyway.

(As has been pointed out, we can factor in something like a million rounds of emergency contraception if we like, which would bring it to about 15-16% of total services. Which still doesn’t make PP all and only about abortion).

Nothing, but that’s not the point. For supporters of abortion, it’s a philosophical question of when the life of the unborn child starts to take precedence over the rights of the living mother. The vast majority of pro-life people support abortion in cases of medical emergency, if pregnancy is the result of rape, etc which means that nearly everyone is actually in favour of killing children, just under different circumstances. Conversely, you’d be extremely hard pressed to find someone who is pro-choice and advocated sex selective abortion under any circumstances whatsoever (ok so someone will write back and find a nutjob who argues just that, but I mean a reasonable person). So actually, everyone is in favour of abortion restrictions.

The abortion debate is about where to draw the line, not whether or not it should be ever allowed…that is something I think you will find few people tend to point out.

You really shouldn’t waste your time responding to any of my posts. After reading your comment that Planned Parenthood has prevented more abortions than those who oppose it I decided your posts were not really worth reading

 

[Elizium23]

Top 12 Reasons to Defund Planned Parenthood Now

1. Planned Parenthood is America’s largest abortion provider. One out of every four abortions in the U.S. is performed in a Planned Parenthood facility. Data shows that since 1970, Planned Parenthood has performed at least 5.3 million abortions. In 2009 alone, Planned Parenthood performed a record 332,278 abortions.[iv]

1. Planned Parenthood’s business model is centered on abortion. Former Planned Parenthood clinic director Abby Johnson has written that she was given an “abortion quota” and was even told by her superiors to double the number of abortions in order to bring in more revenue.[v] Abortion patients constitute 12 percent of Planned Parenthood clients – 332,000 of 3 million unduplicated clients in its most current report. 37 percent of all Planned Parenthood clinic income revenue is from abortion procedures, according to conservative estimates. Planned Parenthood has issued a directive instructing that all affiliates must have at least one clinic that performs abortion by 2013.[vi]

1. Planned Parenthood has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of hours of employee time in order to protect its government handout. Planned Parenthood has flooded the airwaves with TV commercials[xx] and radio ads[xxi] in order to protect its funding. Its employees – whose paychecks are subsidized by tax dollars – have participated in bus tours and rallies across the country.[xxii]

 

[Elizium23]

Bishop Paprocki: Planned Parenthood exposed again for what it believes

 

[TexCatholic4JMJ]

You need to re-read my posts, Jeanne.

I have already stated, multiple times, that I do believe that they gave out defective condoms.

What I have stated also, multiple times as well, is that I would like some source that says that they KNEW about this.

Please go over our entire conversation again so you have some clarity about my position.

At any rate, it’s clear you have no idea that they knew about this.

I quickly read the posts and didn’t see this mentioned but it is something that is more
insidious that defective condoms. I believe the book is called “Blood Money” and is
written by a woman who had worked for PP. In it she states that because the pressure
is for each clinic to increase the number of abortions (to increase the bottom line) the
teenagers would be given birth control pills that they knew would be too weak to prevent
conception, so then the teens would show up when they got pregnant. I believe the
name of the woman is Carol Everett.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Well in 2009 and 2013 it was more like 3% but let’s say 5% anyway.

%between%

issuu.com/actionfund/docs/annual_report_final_proof_12.16.14_/0

Abortion represents about 3-5% of PP’s total services (it may be more than 5% of its costs, I’m not sure, but that’s largely irrelevant). Roughly 1/10 of PP clients received an abortion. While PP does of course get federal funding (and lots of it), by law those funds can’t be used for abortions anyway.

(As has been pointed out, we can factor in something like a million rounds of emergency contraception if we like, which would bring it to about 15-16% of total services. Which still doesn’t make PP all and only about abortion).

I truncated your post.

Via Jill Stanek. President of the Susan B Anthony List was on an NPR show and she disputed the 3% number, and CEO of Planned Parenthoods in three states Sarsh Stoesz was on NPR and she said, “In fact, it’s about three percent of our patients are abortion care patients.”

npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=134337001

On another day of the NPR show Julie Rovner said this:

CONAN: And we heard two figures from opposing sides yesterday, 3 percent and 10 percent, who’s right?

ROVNER: Well, the conflict is really that Planned Parenthood keeps its statistics according to the percent of those services that are provided, not according to how many people get what. So it turns out that there are - that indeed, abortions are 3 percent of the services provided, although - and that was what, I think, Sarah Stoesz from Planned Parenthood kind of misspoke when she said it was 3 percent of patients who come in get abortions.

It is actually a little bit closer to the 10 percent that Marjorie Dannenfesler suggested, because there are about 3 million patients who come in. There are about 300,000 abortions provided.

Now, you can’t really divide that because that’s not how they keep their statistics. But indeed, that - those are the actual statistics. Three million patients, 300,000 abortions, but you have to contrast that to more than a million pregnancy tests and all kinds of other services provided. So indeed, it’s a small amount in terms of percentage of services provided.

npr.org/2011/03/08/134367441/Letters-Manning-Up-And-Planned-Parenthood

So abortion is “a little but closer to 10%” she says.

Check out what former Planned Parenthood director of Texas Abby Johnson has said in this video - Are abortions 3% of what Planned Parenthood does - Q & A with Abby Johnson: youtu.be/OfgdhTDm6Os

Here is what she has also said:

As clinic director, I saw how money received by Planned Parenthood affiliate clinics all went into one pot at the end of the day — it isn’t divvied up and directed to specific services.

And while Planned Parenthood says abortions make up just 3 percent of its services, I found they used an sleight of hand, unbundling family planning services so each patient shows anywhere from five to 20 “visits” per appointment (12 packs of birth control would show up as 12 individual visits). It does the opposite for abortion visits, bundling them together so each appointment shows as one visit. This skews the numbers. You have an overwhelming number of “visits” for family planning compared to abortion, even though you may have seen the same number of patients.

liveaction.org/blog/abby-johnson-three-planned-parenthood-deceptions/

 

[Path_Finder]

Abortion represents about 3-5% of PP’s total services (it may be more than 5% of its costs, I’m not sure, but that’s largely irrelevant). Roughly 1/10 of PP clients received an abortion. While PP does of course get federal funding (and lots of it), by law those funds can’t be used for abortions anyway.

This is an old accounting trick that has been mentioned previously.

From 100 acts of “Services”, Planned Parenthood can hand out 95 condoms and that would be 95 services and then, do 5 abortions and you could call that services as well. See, how you can arrive at that 5% number?

This is largely what the quote from liveaction is saying in the previous quote per methodology:

And while Planned Parenthood says abortions make up just 3 percent of its services, I found they used an sleight of hand, unbundling family planning services so each patient shows anywhere from five to 20 “visits” per appointment (12 packs of birth control would show up as 12 individual visits). It does the opposite for abortion visits, bundling them together so each appointment shows as one visit. This skews the numbers. You have an overwhelming number of “visits” for family planning compared to abortion, even though you may have seen the same number of patients.

liveaction.org/blog/abby-johnson-three-planned-parenthood-deceptions/

How about the Revenue in this? Only Services are being spoken about.

It might be a bit similar to saying you had a convenience store, if they called what they sold “services” and they sold 95 candy bars at $1 but had 5 fill ups of gasoline at $50 dollars, which is greater in revenue?

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I think this is what it is saying, additionally, I believe stats on this closed organization are hard to find; but I believe they have projected figures as a hypothetical of something like 16 of 20 expecting women who go to Planned Parenthood are counseled to receive an abortion from the counselors; that would be pretty bad as well. Check the exact figures.

The counselors may work on a quota system in this, receiving more money for abortions sold.

Let alone, that most of these clinics are in low income areas is a bit unsettling as well.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Center for Medical Progress has released another video

youtu.be/Xw2xi9mhmuo

 

[grotto]

This is 100%, categorically, without a doubt FALSE.

Not to mention contrary to the Christian ethos.

We are not to bear false witness, even if its against an organization that…[fill in the blank with whatever vile activity you wish].

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Are you playing the Pharisee game? Christians believe in Jesus Christ, (the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) and all His Truth). “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor” has been taught clearly by the Catholic Church. Learn how to understand the application of this Commandment in our lives from the Church.

Why not demand PROOF that the information regarding Planned Parenthood was deliberately put forth falsely? PROVE IT! False charges work both ways and in this instance Planned Parenthood can suffer all the damage it deserves. You are mistaken in your defense of PP and chastisement for the defenders of Life. Do you support offering sympathy and comfort to the enemy?

Planned Parenthood abortionists go to lunch and have the blood of infants on their hands!
Criticize that statement if you feel that it is undeserving and you feel there need be more PROOF!

 

[Murmurs]

If 99 people jump off a cliff, are you going to be the 100th to follow?

No.

Perhaps what you mean is, “if 99 people think that jumping off a cliff should be allowed on some occasions, it doesn’t stop being a darned silly idea but the clear democratic will is that sometimes people still need to jump off the cliff, the difference being in the definition of ‘sometimes’”…

 

[PRmerger]

Christians believe in Jesus Christ, (the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) and all His Truth). “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor” has been taught clearly by the Catholic Church. Learn how to understand the application of this Commandment in our lives from the Church.

Yes, you are very Catholic when you say this, grotto.

Why not demand PROOF that the information regarding Planned Parenthood was deliberately put forth falsely?

Because when someone asserts some sort of ill-motive, it is incumbent upon the person who makes that accusation to offer proof.

That’s just how it works, grotto.

You are mistaken in your defense of PP and chastisement for the defenders of Life. Do you support offering sympathy and comfort to the enemy?

I do what Jesus does, grotto, which is to say: it is a mortal sin to bear false witness against one’s neighbor.

So if someone were marching in front of PP with a sign that said, “Planned Parenthood staff watch pornography while they’re working!”, and this person confided in me, “I just made this up so people won’t go in and seek an abortion”…

I would most certainly chastise this person.

And so would the Church.

Planned Parenthood abortionists go to lunch and have the blood of infants on their hands!
Criticize that statement if you feel that it is undeserving and you feel there need be more PROOF!

What I will criticize is your very un-Catholic assertion that PP does not deserve fairness.

That is exactly what it deserves and we will not defeat them by professing lies or by using unethical standards.

 

[PRmerger]

In it she states that because the pressure
is for each clinic to increase the number of abortions (to increase the bottom line) the
teenagers would be given birth control pills that they knew would be too weak to prevent
conception, so then the teens would show up when they got pregnant.

I would like to know what type of BCP is “too weak to prevent conception.”

Who makes this?

Do other providers (not with PP) prescribe these “weak” BCPs as well?

Or, is the author stating that some BCPs may be abortificiants because they don’t prevent ovulation but they prevent the new little life from implanting? Is that what she means by “weak”?

 

[estesbob]

No.

Perhaps what you mean is, “if 99 people think that jumping off a cliff should be allowed on some occasions, it doesn’t stop being a darned silly idea but the clear democratic will is that sometimes people still need to jump off the cliff, the difference being in the definition of ‘sometimes’”…

Abortions because of rape or incest account for less than 1% of the 1.2 million abortions performed in this country each year. This issue is generally bought up as a distraction to try to derail the discussion from the other 99% of abortions performed Since Planned Parenthood does not label the baby parts they sell based on the reason the person had an abortion the “why” Is totally irrelevant to this discussion .

I will admit if I had made a statement that Planned Parenthood prevents more abortions than those involved in the pro-life ministry I would want to derail the discussion also

 

[estesbob]

Yes, you are very Catholic when you say this, grotto.

Because when someone asserts some sort of ill-motive, it is incumbent upon the person who makes that accusation to offer proof.

That’s just how it works, grotto.

I do what Jesus does, grotto, which is to say: it is a mortal sin to bear false witness against one’s neighbor.

So if someone were marching in front of PP with a sign that said, “Planned Parenthood staff watch pornography while they’re working!”, and this person confided in me, “I just made this up so people won’t go in and seek an abortion”…

I would most certainly chastise this person.

And so would the Church.

What I will criticize is your very un-Catholic assertion that PP does not deserve fairness.

That is exactly what it deserves and we will not defeat them by professing lies or by using unethical standards.

I find it rather strange people are more concerned about a inadequately sourced comment than they are about the abject horror of Planned Parenthood chopping up children and selling them to the highest bidder. I find this whole digression much like the rape and incest digressions we have seen this thread - attempts to derail the discussion .

 

[SWolf]

Abortions because of rape or incest account for less than 1% of the 1.2 million abortions performed in this country each year. This issue is generally bought up as a distraction to try to derail the discussion from the other 99% of abortions performed Since Planned Parenthood does not label the baby parts they sell based on the reason the person had an abortion the “why” Is totally irrelevant to this discussion .

I will admit if I had made a statement that Planned Parenthood prevents more abortions than those involved in the pro-life ministry I would want to derail the discussion also

Whenever I hear someone say “I’m against abortion but…” I am dealing with a pro-abortionist who knows they can’t defend their belief it’s okay to murder babies.

 

[PRmerger]

I find it rather strange people are more concerned about a inadequately sourced comment than they are about the abject horror of Planned Parenthood chopping up children and selling them to the highest bidder. I find this whole digression much like the rape and incest digressions we have seen this thread - attempts to derail the discussion .

I can see why you would think that I am more concerned about false witness than the horrific events which are going on in PP facilities…but let me assure you that I am not.

It’s already understood and accepted by me that PP is involved in some heinous, abhorrent, wicked acts.

So when I’m in discussion here, it’s not interesting to me to hear, “I agree!” and “Yes, me too!” and “I am 100% with everyone here.”

Where I interject is where I see something incorrect being asserted.

As far as derailing discussions, I think all of us here are quite capable of having multiple discussions on multiple issues.

 

[estesbob]

Whenever I hear someone say “I’m against abortion but…” you are dealing with a pro-abortionist who knows they can’t defend their belief it’s okay to murder babies.

And this is relevant to Planned Parenthood selling baby parts because?

 

[estesbob]

I can see why you would think that I am more concerned about false witness than the horrific events which are going on in PP facilities…but let me assure you that I am not.

It’s already understood and accepted by me that PP is involved in some heinous, abhorrent, wicked acts.

So when I’m in discussion here, it’s not interesting to me to hear, “I agree!” and “Yes, me too!” and “I am 100% with everyone here.”

Where I interject is where I see something incorrect being asserted.

As far as derailing discussions, I think all of us here are quite capable of having multiple discussions on multiple issues.

And this is relevant to Planned Parenthood selling baby parts because?

 

[PRmerger]

And this is relevant to Planned Parenthood selling baby parts because?

Because PP’s vile acts in this situation are NOT permission to assert some other weird and absurd accusations like “PP pretends to want to give girls contraceptives but what they really want is for them to have lots of sex and make lots of babies so they come in for lots of abortions. So they intentionally and knowingly give out bad contraceptives.”

I’m pretty sure that’s just ga-ga, la-la nonsense.

But, again, if there’s some evidence out that that the accusation is a true one, I’m willing to look at it.

 

[Jeanne_S]

I find it rather strange people are more concerned about a inadequately sourced comment than they are about the abject horror of Planned Parenthood chopping up children and selling them to the highest bidder. I find this whole digression much like the rape and incest digressions we have seen this thread - attempts to derail the discussion .

Exactly!

 

[estesbob]

Because PP’s vile acts in this situation are NOT permission to assert some other weird and absurd accusations like “PP pretends to want to give girls contraceptives but what they really want is for them to have lots of sex and make lots of babies so they come in for lots of abortions. So they intentionally and knowingly give out bad contraceptives.”

I’m pretty sure that’s just ga-ga, la-la nonsense.

But, again, if there’s some evidence out that that the accusation is a true one, I’m willing to look at it.

And this is relevant to Planned Parenthood selling baby parts because?