Planned Parenthood senior official caught discussing business in fetal organs [CWN]

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PRmerger said:
You need to re-read my posts, Jeanne.

I have already stated, multiple times, that I do believe that they gave out defective condoms.

What I have stated also, multiple times as well, is that I would like some source that says that they KNEW about this.

Please go over our entire conversation again so you have some clarity about my position.

At any rate, it’s clear you have no idea that they knew about this.

:mad: :mad: :mad:
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PP holds themselves out as the expert on “safe” sex. There’s no possible way to believe they didn’t know they were handing out low quality condoms without stretching all credulity.

A car dealership can’t pretend to be ignorant that they are selling low quality cars when they are selling Yugo’s or Pinto’s.
 
estesbob said:
I am sure by noon today a concentrated attack will have been launched against the young lady who dared testify about her involvement in the selling of body parts.
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Don’t forget the IRS audit coming her way! 👍
 
PRmerger said:
I would like to know what type of BCP is “too weak to prevent conception.”

Who makes this?

Do other providers (not with PP) prescribe these “weak” BCPs as well?

Or, is the author stating that some BCPs may be abortificiants because they don’t prevent ovulation but they prevent the new little life from implanting? Is that what she means by “weak”?
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Okay, first of all, I did check the title and author of the book and it is correct. Second, I
used my words in saying “weak”, but I made assumptions (should not have) that you
would understand that all BCP’s (opps, another assumption) birth control pills are not
alike, they have different dosages of the hormones.
Sorry, but since it was a long time ago that I read the book and heard the author, you would have to read it to find out what the author stated/wrote. She directed four clinics,
and made a lot of money doing it, (hence the name of book) so I trust she had some
inside information of the doings of PP.
Lastly, some of us have had dealings with PP that give us little doubt that what PP does
is not in the best interest of the women (definitely not in the babies’ either.) From giving
advice only a doctor should give, to hiding rapes, etc.
 
zz912 said:
PP holds themselves out as the expert on “safe” sex. There’s no possible way to believe they didn’t know they were handing out low quality condoms without stretching all credulity.
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I think this is almost as wrong as saying you can see into one’s heart.

How on earth do you know what PP knew?

Do you have any evidence that supports this?
A car dealership can’t pretend to be ignorant that they are selling low quality cars when they are selling Yugo’s or Pinto’s.
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I think a better analogy would be a car dealership normally selling Toyotas and then being called out because a batch that they sold didn’t perform.

You can’t know whether they knew it and decided to sell the bad batch anyway, or were simply unaware.

You. Can’t. Know.
 
TexCatholic4JMJ said:
Okay, first of all, I did check the title and author of the book and it is correct. Second, I
used my words in saying “weak”, but I made assumptions (should not have) that you
would understand that all BCP’s (opps, another assumption) birth control pills are not
alike, they have different dosages of the hormones.
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So what you mean is that they prescribed BCPs with low levels of hormones that are available to everyone.

I don’t think that indicates any sinister motive except that they want to offer something with the least side effects.

Nothing sinister about that at all.
Lastly, some of us have had dealings with PP that give us little doubt that what PP does
is not in the best interest of the women (definitely not in the babies’ either.) From giving
advice only a doctor should give, to hiding rapes, etc.
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No doubt.
 
Murmurs said:
The real scandal is that his kind of badly-edited video is used as a pretext for doing something immensely damaging.

What goes through the minds of people who have a mindset that says “I’ll defund major health organisation that helps millions of women every year, is widely supported by a majority of Americans, and gives serious medical attention to women who need it, for me - because less than 5% of their money is spent on abortion, an issue which, like it or not, was settled by the Supreme Court over 40 years ago?”

Instead of thinking about an issue, this thread, the others on CAF and lots of other places, in the media, and in general conversation, isn’t about thinking at all. it’s just a feeling. A reaction.

Yes this is a Catholic site, and yes there is a teaching on contraception (let’s not split hairs about abortifacient contraceptives for now, nor bring up the fact that getting on for 70% of ‘faithful’ Catholic women, married or not, in reputedly excellent standing with the Church, are using non-natural contraception). But if you put a condom on, 15% of 98% of the time, you will literally not conceive (which is to say, pretty much always). If you don’t conceive, you very rarely tend to want to get an abortion.

Planned Parenthood has quite probably prevented more abortions than everyone who opposes the organisation put together.

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Random thoughts, and I’m not saying I actually necessarily agree with all of the above, but sometimes the bigger picture is important.
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If PP was doing so much good and abortion was only a small sliver of what they do, why did they try so hard to shut Abby Johnson up?
 
zz912 said:
Please stop spreading this falsehood put out by Planned Parenthood. They have posted the full and unedited videos online as well, and there is no “editing” that changes anything. They edited for brevity, but content was unchanged. This is a desperation lie thrown out by PP to get people who are too lazy to watch the unedited videos to discount what their own people are saying on video.

That 5% is a complete lie. If abortion was only 3-5% of their business, then they could drop it and still move forward. No business goes out of business from losing 3-5% of their revenue. They are lying about that number.

This is just horrifically messed up. I seriously can’t even fathom how you have the indecency to even type that out.
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It’s only 3-5% of procedures but it represents something like a third of their revenue. I highly doubt people walking in and asking for condoms brings in that much revenue relative to how many condom requests they get.

So, of course they are going to be against any restrictions against abortions.
 
ComputerGeek25 said:
If PP was doing so much good and abortion was only a small sliver of what they do, why did they try so hard to shut Abby Johnson up?
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Absolutely. If abortion were just one “service” among many, then it shouldn’t hurt them to shut it down and continue to offer their other services. In fact they are whining that if they get shut down they won’t be able to offer life saving services such as smear tests for cervical cancer. Surely you don’t need to do abortions in the same house to test for cervical cancer? If abortions are just a small part of their overall activities, they shouldn’t be too worried about stepping back from that small part.

So either they are already too entrenched in their position to see sense, or abortions are such an important part of their business that they would genuinely fail without them.
 
Path_Finder said:
This is an old accounting trick that has been mentioned previously.

From 100 acts of “Services”, Planned Parenthood can hand out 95 condoms and that would be 95 services and then, do 5 abortions and you could call that services as well. See, how you can arrive at that 5% number?

This is largely what the quote from liveaction is saying in the previous quote per methodology:

liveaction.org/blog/abby-johnson-three-planned-parenthood-deceptions/

How about the Revenue in this? Only Services are being spoken about.

It might be a bit similar to saying you had a convenience store, if they called what they sold “services” and they sold 95 candy bars at $1 but had 5 fill ups of gasoline at $50 dollars, which is greater in revenue?
I think this is what it is saying, additionally, I believe stats on this closed organization are hard to find; but I believe they have projected figures as a hypothetical of something like 16 of 20 expecting women who go to Planned Parenthood are counseled to receive an abortion from the counselors; that would be pretty bad as well. Check the exact figures.

The counselors may work on a quota system in this, receiving more money for abortions sold.

Let alone, that most of these clinics are in low income areas is a bit unsettling as well.
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^^^^ This

This is why you see PP militantly pushing abortion and want NO limits placed upon it. I would argue that this is why we have seen videos like this over the years. Or why they have abortion numbers that clinics should meet.
 
Cirdan_XII said:
Absolutely. If abortion were just one “service” among many, then it shouldn’t hurt them to shut it down and continue to offer their other services. In fact they are whining that if they get shut down they won’t be able to offer life saving services such as smear tests for cervical cancer. Surely you don’t need to do abortions in the same house to test for cervical cancer? If abortions are just a small part of their overall activities, they shouldn’t be too worried about stepping back from that small part.

So either they are already too entrenched in their position to see sense, or abortions are such an important part of their business that they would genuinely fail without them.
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Correct. Over the years, Abby has spilled the beans.
 
ComputerGeek25 said:
Correct. Over the years, Abby has spilled the beans.
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I heard her speak at a CPC event and she stated that she looked upon talking at high schools as a marketing event. She knew of she pushed safe sex PP would pick up increased income from abortion services
 
What is the tool for getting these “body parts”? Life news runs this article:

lifenews.com/2015/07/27/this-is-the-device-planned-parenthood-is-using-to-get-aborted-babys-body-parts-for-sale/
“Intact specimens”, you see, are worth more money. And Planned Parenthood gets them by using a device that regular readers of our PRI Review are all too familiar with: a manual vacuum aspirator.
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They ran down the time limits of abortion last night on O’Reilly; 12 weeks for France for example. Apparently, in the US at 39 weeks, they could run one of these abortions and get body parts this way. It is something to check on, I know recently we have had 20 week legislation being pushed in congress as well as the law in many states.
 
PRmerger said:
So what you mean is that they prescribed BCPs with low levels of hormones that are available to everyone.

I don’t think that indicates any sinister motive except that they want to offer something with the least side effects.

Nothing sinister about that at all.

No doubt.
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If you really want to believe this, go for it. But if you really want to know if they did have
sinister motives, read the book or the books by others who have left PP and who were
in a position to say what the motivations were. Were those pills given to have the least
side effects, or were they given because the directors knew that they had high failure
rates and that the girls would get pregnant ?
If you really want to know, it’s easier now than ever before to find out the facts.
 
TexCatholic4JMJ said:
If you really want to believe this, go for it. But if you really want to know if they did have
sinister motives, read the book or the books by others who have left PP and who were
in a position to say what the motivations were. Were those pills given to have the least
side effects, or were they given because the directors knew that they had high failure
rates and that the girls would get pregnant ?
If you really want to know, it’s easier now than ever before to find out the facts.
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Will do!

Until then I remain highly skeptical that PP directors’ goal was to get girls pregnant by offering them defective contraceptives.

EDIT: I KNEW IT! I just did a search of the wonderful Abby Johnson, whom I trust implicitly and immensely.

Here’s what she says (emphasis mine) :
"There is a widespread** myth** running around the prolife movement that Planned Parenthood gives out faulty, low dose birth control in order to create more abortions. Now, I will be the first person to come out and expose the poor practices within Planned Parenthood, but this is not one of them. Planned Parenthood gives out the exact same type of birth control that you would receive at any pharmacy. When exposing evil, we must always do so with honesty and integrity.

Just a side note, the person who has always said this worked in a non-Planned Parenthood abortion clinic more than 30 years ago. Maybe that was the case in the clinic where she worked many years ago, but that is not, and has not been the practice in Planned Parenthood facilities."Redirecting...

#'nuffsaid
#Iwasprettysurethatitwasgagalalanonsense
#nowweknow

Myth exposed.
QED.
 
grotto said:
These companies that are dropping Planned Parenthood or discovering they should never had been among their listed contributors are to be applauded. Let’s hear about ALL the businesses dropping and helping to make sure Planned Parenthood is DE-funded .
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FAB IDEA!!!👍👍
 
My gosh, the whole reason Notre Dame funded a crisis pregnancy center right next to an abortion clinic was to STOP abortions. The women were going there for abortions, not needed medical care or mammograms. Those women going to the crisis pregnancy center did get such services.

Thanks to their perseverance, South Bend no longer has an abortion center. PP equals abortions.
 
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