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Pope breaks with protocol by bowing to Queen Rania of Jordan

telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/10276319/Pope-breaks-with-protocol-by-bowing-to-Queen-Rania-of-Jordan.html

As head of state at the Vatican, not to mention the leader of the world’s 1.2 billion catholics, protocol requires visitors to bow to him when they meet him at the Holy See.
But Francis, who has made the forgetting of formalities a trademark of his papacy, bowed when he met a smiling Rania as she visited the Vatican with her husband King Abdullah II on Thursday.

“Up until the 19th century visitors would kiss the pope’s shoes, and the tradition is still that all visitors, women included, bow to him, but Francis behaves as he did before he became pope and is not interested in protocol,” a senior Vatican official told The Daily Telegraph.
It is not the first time the Pope has eschewed formality when receiving visitors.

When Cristina Kirchner, Argentina’s president, met him in March, a day before his formal inauguration, he gave her a kiss after she presented him with a gourd for mate, the traditional Argentine tea.

Thanks and God bless you…

– Mark
 
The way I see it is that, since the Pope is the servant of the servants of God, his bowing is a sign that he is a servant of the servants of God.
 
bzkoss236 said:
Also, people seem to forget that he is a very humble man.
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I think he is a man with an individual style. Saying the above may lead others to believe the other Popes who haven’t bowed or who have upheld protocol are not humble.

I personally pray to be able to see a Papal Coronation ceremony someday.
 
Credo_in_Deum said:
I think he is a man with an individual style. Saying the above may lead others to believe the other Popes who haven’t bowed or who have upheld protocol are not humble.

I personally pray to be able to see a Papal Coronation ceremony someday.
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Why? The Pope isn’t a king.

The guy who keeps the keys at the school where I work is the caretaker, not the principal.

The Pope washed the feet of jailed youth, here he merely bows.👍
 
Pope Francis is a Jesuit.

The Pope might not always be Pope but he will always be a Jesuit. He will walk like a Jesuit, talk like a Jesuit, speak and act like a Jesuit, govern like a Jesuit, pray like a Jesuit, celebrate Mass like a Jesuit and greet foreign dignitaries like a Jesuit.

The Papacy is a ministry to him - what he does. Being a Jesuit is who he is.

We will never understand why he does what he does until we understand who he is as a consecrated religious Jesuit.

-Tim-
 
At the risk of being tossed off this site for being uncharitable, WHO CARES?
There are far more issues to be concerned about, like Syria and Iran, and the state of ones own soul!
 
I’d like to see the coronation one day too. He may not be a king but he is a monarch, and a title once known was “Ruler of the World”. Rather imperal, and not in any way accurate, but was just affection.

I was taken aback when I saw him do this, but I’m not the Pope nor am I familiar with the papal protocol so my opinion is nil, nor does it deserve any consideration.
 
ANSWER TO THE OP QUESTION:

Religious have always bowed to royalty.

The pope himself has said, “I am a Jesuit”

People haven’t heard him or don’t want to hear him. That becomes their problem.

It’s time that people started to remember, the Pope is a religious.

Religious do kiss and embrace when they greet a friend. People do not bow to religious unless he’s

a) an abbot

b) a male superior of an order with solemn vows

c) in ceremony

Not long after the election, Salt & Light TV interviewed a Jesuit superior. I don’t know his name. I don’t even know where he was from. In any case, one of the points that came up in the interview was the Jesuit vocation. The commentator and the Jesuit correctly predicted that people at the Vatican who are not religious and the lay faithful are going to be thrown off for a while with a Jesuit in the Chair of Peter, because a religious has not occupied that seat since the 1700s.

The last religious pope was a Conventual Franciscan Friar. He suppressed the Jesuits. That’s a story for another day. Not one of our more glorious moments in the history of the Franciscans.

PS. None of the Franciscan popes have ever allowed themselves to be crowned or carried. If I’m not mistaken, neither have Dominicans or Benedictines. I know that St. Pius V refused to wear the papal robes. That’s how the white came into use. He insisted on wearing his habit with a pectoral cross and the Fisherman’s Ring. They only wore the robes for liturgical functions. The secular popes wore them all the time. The religious wore their habits.

If the next pope is a Franciscan, he’ll wear grey, brown or black with a white cincture and sandals to his installation mass. Don’t think of it too far fetched. The number of Franciscan bishops has gone up with Pope Francis.
 
I find it humorous and charming and totally in keeping with his humility.
 
PattiDay said:
I find it humorous and charming and totally in keeping with his humility.
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I don’t even see it as humble in an extraordinary sense. He’s simply being a religious. This is what we do.

Why is this offensive to some people’s sensibilities? I don’t mean you. I know that you’re looking at this and smiling.

But why can people look at this and say, “Oh is that how a FAITHFUL religious does things?” 🤷

This is a learning moment in the history of the papacy and religious life. Let’s not waste it worrying about what the pope does or not do and let’s take it in. It may be another 200 years before we see another religious pope or not. We just don’t know. But I’m taking it in. This is the stuff that we read about in novitiate. Now I get to see it before I die.
 
JReducation said:
ANSWER TO THE OP QUESTION:

Religious have always bowed to royalty.

The pope himself has said, “I am a Jesuit”

People haven’t heard him or don’t want to hear him. That becomes their problem.

It’s time that people started to remember, the Pope is a religious.

Religious do kiss and embrace when they greet a friend. People do not bow to religious unless he’s

a) an abbot

b) a male superior of an order with solemn vows

c) in ceremony

Not long after the election, Salt & Light TV interviewed a Jesuit superior. I don’t know his name. I don’t even know where he was from. In any case, one of the points that came up in the interview was the Jesuit vocation. The commentator and the Jesuit correctly predicted that people at the Vatican who are not religious and the lay faithful are going to be thrown off for a while with a Jesuit in the Chair of Peter, because a religious has not occupied that seat since the 1700s.

The last religious pope was a Conventual Franciscan Friar. He suppressed the Jesuits. That’s a story for another day. Not one of our more glorious moments in the history of the Franciscans.

PS. None of the Franciscan popes have ever allowed themselves to be crowned or carried. If I’m not mistaken, neither have Dominicans or Benedictines. I know that St. Pius V refused to wear the papal robes. That’s how the white came into use. He insisted on wearing his habit with a pectoral cross and the Fisherman’s Ring. They only wore the robes for liturgical functions. The secular popes wore them all the time. The religious wore their habits.

If the next pope is a Franciscan, he’ll wear grey, brown or black with a white cincture and sandals to his installation mass. Don’t think of it too far fetched. The number of Franciscan bishops has gone up with Pope Francis.
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Imagine me saying this when I’m jumping around excitedly.

I DIDN’T KNOW THIS AND IT CHANGES MY OPINION COMPLETELY 😃

Thank you Brother.
 
mkamoski1 said:
Please Explain

Pope breaks with protocol by bowing to Queen Rania of Jordan

telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/10276319/Pope-breaks-with-protocol-by-bowing-to-Queen-Rania-of-Jordan.html

As head of state at the Vatican, not to mention the leader of the world’s 1.2 billion catholics, protocol requires visitors to bow to him when they meet him at the Holy See.
But Francis, who has made the forgetting of formalities a trademark of his papacy, bowed when he met a smiling Rania as she visited the Vatican with her husband King Abdullah II on Thursday.

“Up until the 19th century visitors would kiss the pope’s shoes, and the tradition is still that all visitors, women included, bow to him, but Francis behaves as he did before he became pope and is not interested in protocol,” a senior Vatican official told The Daily Telegraph.
It is not the first time the Pope has eschewed formality when receiving visitors.

When Cristina Kirchner, Argentina’s president, met him in March, a day before his formal inauguration, he gave her a kiss after she presented him with a gourd for mate, the traditional Argentine tea.

Thanks and God bless you…

– Mark
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Personally I did not think it was a curtsey like say one would/ meant to give Royalty, but rather the Holy Father did not bow to King Abdullah , but I just think it was like a gentlemen’s bow to Queen Rania as a woman, look how he holds Our Lady in such high esteem, I personally think he holds the same for all women, a respect hence the bow, but no bow for King Abdullah, as Queen Rania is a Moslem she might not like a kiss, hence she got a bow instead. This of course is my personal opinion looking at the picture and reading how Our present Holy Father operates.
 
Jimmy Akin just posted a piece on this within the past couple of hours. If you’re interested, you can find the article** here.

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Word is racing around the Catholic blogosphere that Pope Francis recently bowed to Queen Rania of Jordan.
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    Is this yet another stunning break with tradition on the part of Pope Francis?*
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    Has he overturned 2,000 years of tradition?*
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    Is this one of the signs of the apocalypse?*
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    Is it no big deal?*
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    Let's look at the question . . .*
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triumphguy said:
Why? The Pope isn’t a king.

The guy who keeps the keys at the school where I work is the caretaker, not the principal.

The Pope washed the feet of jailed youth, here he merely bows.👍
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This type of thinking is exactly why we need a Papal Coronation.
 
Romans 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute [is due]; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. …
 
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