Please explain to me why gay marriage is wrong

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PRmerger said:
Again, bisco, I am appealing to you to learn how to use the QUOTE feature. No one knows to whom you are responding.

Have you noticed that no one has responded to any of your posts here?

There are numerous threads here that detail how to post correctly.

Then it would be nice to engage with you in dialogue!
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i was responding to the post before mine. i didm’t see the need to quote it because it was a simple point. i’m not offended if no one responds, it just feels good to get it out.🙂
 
bisco1 said:
i was responding to the post before mine. i didm’t see the need to quote it because it was a simple point. i’m not offended if no one responds, it just feels good to get it out.🙂
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Yay!!! Thanks for learning how to use the QUOTE feature.

Now, if you want to learn how to respond without “nesting” your responses, read some of the threads that teach you how to do this. 👍
 
tomberg said:
What I am arguing against is that Civil Secular governments should be enacting laws based upon any Religions ideas of what is moral and what is not moral. Secular laws should not be based in exclusively religious ideas of morality.
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Yep. This is the Church’s position as well. It does not command a theocracy where democracy reigns.

No religious law ought to be imposed in a pluralistic society.
 
tomberg said:
The first Christians absolutely did not use Natural Law to win over anyone, they used a completely supernatural belief system about the coming end of the world.
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Do you not consider St. Paul to be one of the “first Christians”?

For he certainly used Natural Law to win over the pagans. Read Romans.
 
Peter_Plato said:
You say morality cannot be based on religion. Okay, so what should morality be based upon, in your view?

I am asking you for an accounting of YOUR morality.

That shouldn’t be so difficult since you know for certain it shouldn’t be based on religion.

Go ahead, explain away. This is your chance to inform and instruct.
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You neglected my question and are assuming things that I am not saying. I did not say morality should not be based on religion in fact I have said that no one should have a problem with you moral beliefs coming from your religious views. What I asked and have repeatedly asked is: could you accept that there are valid moral belief systems other than your own? You are pretty sharp and from what I wrote already you likely know where my moral views are based. I am just trying to confirm my suspicions that you and others on here seem unable or unwilling to accept that others can have valid moral beliefs other than the one you have been told you MUST accept. If my suspicions are correct then further discussion makes no sense.
 
frobert said:
What I asked and have repeatedly asked is: could you accept that there are valid belief systems other than your own?
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For some morality, yes. For example, it may be the right thing to do to greet the oldest member of your family first at a family gathering. However, if that’s not part of your family’s ethos, you need not do that.

However for other things, no. For example, raping someone is ALWAYS wrong, no matter what society you grow up in believes.
 
PRmerger said:
For some morality, yes. For example, it may be the right thing to do to greet the oldest member of your family first at a family gathering. However, if that’s not part of your family’s ethos, you need not do that.

However for other things, no. For example, raping someone is ALWAYS wrong, no matter what society you grow up in believes.
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Again you missed or neglected the salient factors of my post. You are individualizing the morals and not taking morality as a whole. But lets indulge your example. Where did you get the notion that “raping someone is wrong” is not part or does not fit into my morality?
 
cena said:
I agree but I can cite the times homosexual acts were condemned in the New Testament but then the arguments about stuff not being brought up in the bible and so on will resurface.
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The response my brother is that this country was founded on Christian principles, not godless ones. We should not give an inch with regard to our Christian heritage.

The godless know this and every time they draw us into a discussion of ethics and convince us we can’t use our Christian heritage and ethics they know they have already started to win. Don’t let them get this far. Jesus Christ commanded us to spread the Gospel not only in our private lives but our public lives. This latter error has become a Protestant mainstay (I love Protestants, just not all of their theology), but is not as such in many majority Catholic countries.
 
PRmerger said:
No one has posited that it’s NOT part of your morality.

(At least, it’s part of everyone’s morality who is not a psychopath.)

So if you already knew that it was part of my morality then your statement was off topic. As someone already pointed out its dishonest of you to keep adding variables.

Now do you wish to address the salient factors of my original post?
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frobert said:
So if you already knew that it was part of my morality then your statement was off topic. As someone already pointed out its dishonest of you to keep adding variables.

Now do you wish to address the salient factors of my original post?
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Could you be more specific about what I’m supposed to address?

And I suggest you stop accusing people of being dishonest. It is against forum rules and I would hate for you to be suspended again. For it is good for you to be here and in dialogue with knowledgeable Catholics.
 
Peter_Plato said:
You say morality cannot be based on religion. Okay, so what should morality be based upon, in your view?

I am asking you for an accounting of YOUR morality.

That shouldn’t be so difficult since you know for certain it shouldn’t be based on religion.

Go ahead, explain away. This is your chance to inform and instruct.
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You are skirting the question. If you are unable or unwilling to accept that there are valid moral beliefs other than your own then what is the purpose of discussing them further. Reread my posts I have given ample insight into my morality with the same result. I believe it was Einstein who said that doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result is the sign of insanity. I will concede that my moral beliefs are based on an ethical philosophy that the Catholic church uses but rejects its essence.
 
PRmerger said:
Could you be more specific about what I’m supposed to address?

And I suggest you stop accusing people of being dishonest. It is against forum rules and I would hate for you to be suspended again. For it is good for you to be here and in dialogue with knowledgeable Catholics.
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Reread the post that you responded to. Hint it was not addressed to you.
 
frobert said:
Reread the post that you responded to. Hint it was not addressed to you.
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I have read it.

Not sure what you feel wasn’t addressed. Please be specific.
I have no problem with being suspended or banned.
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Really. That’s too bad. You need to be here.

I find it a peculiar paradigm that people come here to post, and then claim they don’t care if they’re suspended or banned. Very curious assertion, indeed.

It’s like a preschooler being put in the corner and saying, “I like being in the corner! So there!”

Okey-dokey, then. Keep doing what you’re doing and you can keep going to the corner. And “enjoying” it. 🤷
 
PRmerger said:
Really. That’s too bad. You need to be here.

I find it a peculiar paradigm that people come here to post, and then claim they don’t care if they’re suspended or banned. Very curious assertion, indeed.

It’s like a preschooler being put in the corner and saying, “I like being in the corner! So there!”

Okey-dokey, then. Keep doing what you’re doing and you can keep going to the corner. And “enjoying” it. 🤷
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Ah. I see that you have edited your peculiar comment out. That was smart. No one really likes being put in the corner–that’s for sure.
 
PRmerger said:
Ah. I see that you have edited your peculiar comment out. That was smart. No one really likes being put in the corner–that’s for sure.
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I edited it for other reasons than that.

Ok, I will address the question to you. Are able to accept that there can be valid moral belief systems other than the one you must believe as a Catholic? Note I am not suggesting in any way or form that a yes answer means that you give up your own beliefs.

Its a simple question that you can answer with a yes or no.
 
frobert said:
I edited it for other reasons than that.

Ok, I will address the question to you. Are able to accept that there can be valid moral belief systems other than the one you must believe as a Catholic? Note I am not suggesting in any way or form that a yes answer means that you give up your own beliefs.

Its a simple question that you can answer with a yes or no.
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Of course we believe the Catholic Church is the culmination of all belief systems and as such is the closest to the Truth as God has allowed. Any Catholic who says otherwise does not accept Catholic doctrine:

Nicene Creed.

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
**
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,**
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
 
frobert said:
Ok, I will address the question to you.
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Just so you know, frobert, in a forum, all questions are addressed to all folks, and all are free to answer.

If a question is addressed specifically to a particular member, it is good form to respond in a timely manner.

However, again, to repeat: all are free to respond to all questions here.

That’s just how a forum works, frobert.
Are able to accept that there can be valid moral belief systems other than the one you must believe as a Catholic? Note I am not suggesting in any way or form that a yes answer means that you give up your own beliefs.
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Its a simple question that you can answer with a yes or no.
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No.
 
BrassAnkles said:
Of course we believe the Catholic Church is the culmination of all belief systems and as such is the closest to the Truth as God has allowed. Any Catholic who says otherwise does not accept Catholic doctrine:

Nicene Creed.

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
**
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,**
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
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You did not answer the question. You simply stated the apostles’ creed which is what you believe and which I accept as a valid belief.
 
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