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That is quite a scandal, indeed.What then was the “hard teaching” that they heard? I suppose (like Augustine) one could believe that they took Jesus to be requiring a cannibalistic act from them….such is possible b/c that is where a literal understanding (of his very graphic words) would lead. One should note that Christ’s use of “chew” or “gnaw” would require the eater to actually bite into his flesh and chew on it for a literal fulfillment of Jesus’ words.
There was also a common use of the term “to chew” on a person as being sarcastic and insulting. If His words are to be understood metaphorically, He would have been saying “unless you disparage me you will have no life in you”. That, of course, makes no sense either.
Oh, dear, Radical. You really have no idea what you are talking about.In the Catholic Eucharist, no gnawing of flesh actually occurs b/c the accidents of the teeth never meet the accidents of Christ’s body.
I have always found it interesting that the Romans charged early Christians with “eating their god and drownding their infants”.The Catholic Eucharist is not a literal fulfillment of John 6. If some walked away from a literal understanding, then those that left, rejected cannibalism (and the teacher of it).
In fact, cannabalism ws one of the charges.
Yes, I agree.I don’t know that any of those people would have thought that Jesus was requiring a cannibalistic act from them. Jesus was profoundly moral and cannibalism is profoundly immoral. I suspect many would have concluded that Jesus couldn’t have intended to be taken literally, but w/o further explanation from him, they wouldn’t have known what to make of his words. Those words wouldn’t have made sense and would have been offensive. If that is right, then those that left rejected (what to them seemed to be) a nonsensical and offensive teaching (and the perceived teacher of it).
True. He only wanted those who would trust Him enough to accept His teachings even if their meaning was not immediatly understandible.The text doesn’t say why Jesus made no effort to clarify his meaning, but it makes it very clear that none left who had been actually called by the Father. Christ could have called out, “Wait I am only speaking metaphorically” or “Wait I am not speaking of cannibalism or of your teeth actually chewing my flesh”, but he didn’t, b/c it seems, that he didn’t care to.
Indeed.I don’t know that Martyr held to a real somatic presence. There are quite a number of ways in which a believer can believe that the bread and wine are Christ’s flesh (note not “body” for Martyr) and blood that stop short of a real somatic presence.
However, since Justin was Catholic, we can be sure He embraced the catholic understanding .