Please help refute this....Sola scripture vs Roman Catholicism

[JonNC]

=Protoman2050;9163835]

Martin Luther removed books that didn’t fit with his theology. Is that honoring “the primacy of Scripture”? Is thatSola Scriptura? Just remove books that you dislike?

No, he didn’t. Luther’s translation included 74 books, all of the books of the Catholic Church and the Prayer of Manassess. In modern publications of his translation, Die Bibel continues to have them. Luther’s questions regarding the canonicity of the deuterocanon reflects a long-standing dispute regarding them, long before Luther.

Protestant logic: We interpret the Bible literally…except when we don’t. I have no idea how you can interpret Jn 6:52-67 any other way but literally, unless we want to say Jesus was speaking metaphorically, and if we go down that road with one item…we get vague Emergent stuff! Where no one means what they say, nothing is literal, everything is metaphor, and everything refers to nothing.

Not the Lutheran interpretation. We just don’t use John 6 as a reference to “prove” the truth of the Real Presence. The Gospel accounts of the Last Supper, and St Paul prove it.
IOW, John 6 predicts it, these others confirm it.

Jon

 

[SteveVH]

No, he didn’t. Luther’s translation included 74 books, all of the books of the Catholic Church and the Prayer of Manassess. In modern publications of his translation, Die Bibel continues to have them. Luther’s questions regarding the canonicity of the deuterocanon reflects a long-standing dispute regarding them, long before Luther.

There have been many disputes; thus the reason for the various councils. Who decided that they would no longer be included in the canon of Scirpture and by whose authority were they removed?

 

[JonNC]

There have been many disputes; thus the reason for the various councils. Who decided that they would no longer be included in the canon of Scirpture and by whose authority were they removed?

Say what one will about Carthage and Hippo, they were not general councils. So, for Catholics in communion with the Bishop of Rome, Trent set the canon. Luther wrote his concerns about the D-C’s prior to Trent.

There have always been differing canons. As for Lutherans, the confessions don’t set a canon, but we view caution those books that have been historically disputed. That doesn’t mean we reject them.

Jon

 

[ofthesons]

Not at all. Christianity is a revealed religion. How has Christ revealed Himself to mankind?
By what medium? What was His method of Operation?

Scripture is not the Only medium!
Christ chose to establish a social order to spread His message to the world, Scripture is a medium of the Church, not the other way around!

I regard Scripture as the ultimate authority on the revelation of Christ, and that which the Church possessed, “grounded”, and conveyed.

Untrue! First of all the Catholic Church doesn’t need defending.

Based upon what?

And you still must have an objective reason for your belief in Scripture.

The burden of proof lies on those, Jonny come lately’s that Protest against Her, and invent new doctrines, those doctrines need to be proved against, the Catholic ones which precedes them!

Now this is question begging. If Sola Scriptura is true, then what it teaches was “established” before the establishment of the Church (Gal 3:8, Rom 9:17). (Before you respond to this, I’d advise you to make sure you be ready to modify your understanding of Sola Scrptura, because I think that’s what you’ll need to do)

It is not circular if you believe that Christ has revealed Himself.

Oh yes, it is. Whether or not you’re circular is not determined by whether or not I believe it, because you still must have the same reason for your belief if you believe it’s adequately justified regardless of whereever I’m at…unless it’s you that will give credence to Relativism.

Besides, I say I believe Christ revealed himself in accordance with a different epistemology anyway.

That is like saying, prove to me Scripture is infallible without using scripture!

But you still must have a reason for believing Scripture, don’t you? I already know it’s not what I would consider to be adequate.

And more specifically, I’m challenging you to objectively tell me upon what basis do we conclude that Scripture is infallible without presupposing Scripture.

People disagree on what constitutes Scripture, which means you cant build a case on Sola Scriptura, if you cant even establish what constitutes Scripture.

It’s the question begging Catholic that tends to say we don’t know what constitutes Scripture. Sola Scriptura precludes that we don’t know or that no one knows. You’ve not really shown that the fact that people disagree on what constitutes Scripture indicates that we can’t build a case on Sola Scriptura.

Objectively, Christ established a Church, the scriptures bear witness to that. If you accept the Scriptures, the Church must be accepted. To deny the Church, is to deny Scripture and to deny scripture is to deny Christ. The objective Christ,not the one Who is subject to the personal interpretation of relativist, didn’t establish a Church, Who really didn’t mean what He said in John 6, etc, etc!

I’m not denying the Church. I’m denying that the Church is infallible.

 

[ofthesons]

When 2 Timothy was written the New Testament was not yet written. Does this then exclude the New Testament? And who, do you suppose, determined what books were to be included in the New Testament and on what basis?

The etermal God in the Holy Spirit upon the basis of the eternal word of God determined what would constitute the New Testament.The Church had that revealed unto her.

I gotta get back to respond to the rest when/if I have time.

See ya later.

 

[stewstew03]

The etermal God in the Holy Spirit upon the basis of the eternal word of God determined what would constitute the New Testament.The Church had that revealed unto her.

Don’t look now, but you’re making a great argument for the authority of the Church.

 

[christloveus07]

Bible:* “Every Scripture is God-breathed – given by His inspiration – and profitable for instruction, for reproof, for correction of
error, and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, well-fitted and thoroughly equipped for every
good work” (2 Ti 3: 16-17). See also 2 Pe 1: 3-10 and 1 Cor 2:13.

Deut 4:2; Prov 30:5,6; Rev 22: 19 are just some of the warnings in the Bible dealing with adding to or subtracting from God’s
Holy Word. The RCC, however, does not seem to heed these warnings. As just one example, the Catholic Church does not
profess the simple Ten Commandments, eliminating the second commandment to have no idols before God and to create no
graven images.* The RCC then takes the Biblical tenth Commandment and makes it into two instead of one. Hence, the RCC
Ten Commandments are not the Biblical Ten Commandments. The Roman Catholic Church believes that there are more than
the 66 canonical books of the Bible, adding what they call the Apocrypha*.* The Apocrypha contains descriptions of Jesus
performing magic as a child, and the Catholic beliefs in praying for the dead and purgatory. “Purgatory is the place of suffering a
Catholic enters after death when he may need to make additional reparation for his sins. There he pays for the temporal
punishment of sins not previously atoned for by acts of penance* or canceled by indulgences*, special credits obtained from the
RCC by performing religious acts” (J. McCarthy: What You Need To Know About Roman Catholicism).

The Catholic Church also adds tradition and papal infallibility* to the teachings of the Bible, thereby placing both above the
inerrancy of the Bible.* (Mt 15:6 states: “So for the sake of your tradition, you have set aside the Word of God and made it null
and void.”)

(following is excerpted from Roman Catholicism: Scripture vs. Tradition* by Mike Gendron):

 

[christloveus07]

JESUS, THE SAVIOR:

Bible: “He saved us not because of any righteous deeds we had done, but because of His mercy” (Titus 3:5)

Roman Catholic Church teaches that “by His death and resurrection, Jesus Christ has ‘opened’ heaven to us” (1026 -references
are from 1994 Catholic catechism). Each person attains his own salvation by grace and good works (1477).

JESUS, THE SINLESS REDEEMER:

Bible: “For you know it was not with perishable things…that you are redeemed…but with the precious blood of Christ” (1 Pe
1:17-18).

RCC teaches that Mary is the sinless co-Redeemer.* “Without a single sin to restrain her, she gave herself entirely to the person
and work of her son; she did so in order to serve the mystery of redemption with Him…being obedient, she became the cause
of salvation for herself and for the whole human race”* (494)

JESUS, OUR ADVOCATE AND ONLY MEDIATOR:

Bible: “God is one, one also is the mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Ti 2:5, 1 Jn 2:1)

RCC teaches that Mary "did not lay aside her saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation.* She is Advocate…and Mediatrix” (969)

 

[christloveus07]

JESUS, OUR ADVOCATE AND ONLY MEDIATOR:

Bible: “God is one, one also is the mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Ti 2:5, 1 Jn 2:1)

RCC teaches that Mary "did not lay aside her saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation.* She is Advocate…and Mediatrix” (969)

JESUS, HEAD OF THE CHURCH:

Bible: “He has put all things under Christ’s feet and made Him, thus exalted, head of the Church”* (Eph 1: 22,23).

RCC teaches that the Pope, “by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire church has full, supreme and
universal power over the whole church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered” (882).* He exercises infallibility
when “he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals” (891)

JESUS, THE SOON-COMING* KING:

Bible: “This same Jesus, who has been taken away from you into heaven will come back in the same way you have seen Him go
unto heaven”* (Acts 1:11).

RCC denies this by teaching that Jesus returns daily to the altars of Catholic churches to worshipped:* “The body and
blood…soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ…is truly, really and substantially contained” in the Eucharist* (1374-78).

 

[christloveus07]

JESUS EXPIATES OUR SIN:

Bible: “Through His blood, God made Him the means of expiation for all who believe”* (Ro 3:25)

RCC teaches that sins are expiated in purgatory through a “cleansing fire” and that we “must strive to accept this temporal
punishment of sin as a grace” (1030,31; 1472-75).

(It is also noteworthy that the Word of God consistently affirms that sins are expiated by blood and not by fire. Biblically, the
“fires of purgatory” cannot purge or atone for sin.)

JESUS FINISHED THE WORK OF REDEMPTION:

Bible: “By one offering He has forever perfected those who are being sanctified” (Heb 10:14).* “Unlike the other high priests,
He does not need to offer daily sacrifices” (Heb 7:27,28).

RCC denies that Jesus’ work on the cross is finished.* “The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single
sacrifice…the same Christ who offered Himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and offered in an
unbloody manner in the Eucharist”(1367).* “Every time this mystery is celebrated the work of our redemption is carried on”
(1405). The sacrifice “is offered in reparation for the sins of the living and the dead” (1414). Over and over again in Roman
Catholicism, Jesus dies on the cross as the eternal victim.

HIS LIFE, DEATH AND RESURRECTION PROVIDED THE ONLY WAY TO BE SAVED:

Bible: “There is no salvation in anyone else, for there is no other name in the whole world given to men by which we are to be
saved” (Acts 4:12).

RCC denies this by claiming the Catholic Church “is necessary for salvation” (846).

HIS SHED BLOOD IS THE ONLY REMISSION FOR SIN:

Bible: “Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness for sin” (Heb 9:22). “Since these sins have been forgiven, there is
no further offering for sin” (Heb 10:18).

RCC teaches that “an indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been
forgiven which…may be applied to the living or the dead” (1471)

This is absolutely contrary to Scripture because it undermines the total cleansing of Jesus’ blood.* By stating that indulgences
are needed to further cleanse the sinner, indulgences make man’s actions of higher worth than Jesus’ blood.

 

[Protoman2050]

No, he didn’t. Luther’s translation included 74 books, all of the books of the Catholic Church and the Prayer of Manassess. In modern publications of his translation, Die Bibel continues to have them. Luther’s questions regarding the canonicity of the deuterocanon reflects a long-standing dispute regarding them, long before Luther.

Not the Lutheran interpretation. We just don’t use John 6 as a reference to “prove” the truth of the Real Presence. The Gospel accounts of the Last Supper, and St Paul prove it.
IOW, John 6 predicts it, these others confirm it.

Jon

I wasn’t talking about the deutrocanon. We were talking about how he didn’t agree that Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2 and 3 John, Jude, and Revelation were canonical, so he placed them at the end. He would’ve removed entirely them if not for pressure from his followers.

 

[christloveus07]

SALVATION IS PROCLAIMED IN THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST:

Bible: “It is the power of God leading everyone who believes in it to salvation” (Ro 1:16). It relates Jesus’ life, death and
resurrection according to the Scriptures (1 Cor 15: 1-4).

RCC preaches a different gospel by demanding additional requirements for salvation including:* the sacraments (1129),
meritorious masses (1405), church membership (846), purgatory (1030), indulgences *(1498), and baptism (1256).

SALVATION IS OF GOD, NOT MAN:

Bible: “When you heard the glad tidings of salvation, the word of truth, and believed in it, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit
(Eph 1:13). Those “who believe in His name were begotten not by…man’s willing it, but by God” (Jn 1:13).

RCC teaches “Baptism is the sacrament of regeneration…without which no one can enter the kingdom of God” (1213, 1215).

SALVATION IS THROUGH FAITH, NOT WORKS:

Bible: “Salvation is yours through faith. This is not of your own doing, it is God’s gift, neither is it a reward for anything you have
accomplished, so let no one pride himself on it”* (Eph 2: 8,9).* “Yet in no way can a man redeem himself, nor pay his own
ransom to God.* Too high is the price to redeem one’s life; he would never have enough” (Ps 49: 7,8).

RCC teaches salvation through faith plus works. They say people can obtain their own salvation and at the same time
cooperate in saving their brothers through good works and indulgences (1477, 1479).

(The Lindsell Bible Commentary’s introduction to the book of Galatians states: “ When you mix faith with works, the error is of
such magnitude that it will result in the loss of the true gospel.”)

SALVATION IS BY GRACE, NOT MERIT:

Bible: “All men are now undeservedly justified by the gift of God” (Ro 3:24).* "…But if it is by grace it is no longer conditioned
on works or anything men have done.* Otherwise, grace would no longer be grace – it would be meaningless.”(Ro 11:6).

RCC denies justifying grace is undeserved.* “We can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal
life” (2027).

(RCC source used is Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1994.)
(excerpt ended)

NONE OF THESE ARE SECONDARY ISSUES. ON THE CONTRARY,THEY ARE THE PRIMARY

 

[stewstew03]

Bible:* “Every Scripture is God-breathed – given by His inspiration – and profitable for instruction, for reproof, for correction of
error, and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, well-fitted and thoroughly equipped for every
good work” (2 Ti 3: 16-17). See also 2 Pe 1: 3-10 and 1 Cor 2:13.

Deut 4:2; Prov 30:5,6; Rev 22: 19 are just some of the warnings in the Bible dealing with adding to or subtracting from God’s
Holy Word. The RCC, however, does not seem to heed these warnings. As just one example, the Catholic Church does not
profess the simple Ten Commandments, eliminating the second commandment to have no idols before God and to create no
graven images.* The RCC then takes the Biblical tenth Commandment and makes it into two instead of one. Hence, the RCC
Ten Commandments are not the Biblical Ten Commandments. The Roman Catholic Church believes that there are more than
the 66 canonical books of the Bible, adding what they call the Apocrypha*.* The Apocrypha contains descriptions of Jesus
performing magic as a child, and the Catholic beliefs in praying for the dead and purgatory. “Purgatory is the place of suffering a
Catholic enters after death when he may need to make additional reparation for his sins. There he pays for the temporal
punishment of sins not previously atoned for by acts of penance* or canceled by indulgences*, special credits obtained from the
RCC by performing religious acts” (J. McCarthy: What You Need To Know About Roman Catholicism).

The Catholic Church also adds tradition and papal infallibility* to the teachings of the Bible, thereby placing both above the
inerrancy of the Bible.* (Mt 15:6 states: “So for the sake of your tradition, you have set aside the Word of God and made it null
and void.”)

(following is excerpted from Roman Catholicism: Scripture vs. Tradition* by Mike Gendron):

Seriously?
Did you just finish reading Loraine Boettner or something…?

There seems to be a recent influx of quite a few “trial member” or “new member” protestants spewing identical anti-Catholic venom on these discussion boards…

 

[christloveus07]

MARY OF THE BIBLE AND THE MARY OF CATHOLICISM

(the following information is excerpted from T.A. McMahon’s article entitled Mary Who?):

“…The only trustworthy account of Mary is found in the Scriptures where information is presented by those who knew her
personally and, more importantly, whose writings were under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.* Fewer than 90 Bible verses
address the life of Mary.* In them we find a wonderful humble servant of the Lord who rejoices in Him as her Savior (Lk 1:
47)… Mary’s ministry was simply the birth and nurturing of the child Jesus. Once He reached adulthood, she played no
influential part in His earthly service.* It’s at the wedding feast of Cana, which began the public ministry of Jesus, that her last
words are recorded.* Fittingly, she tells the servants, ‘ Whatsoever He saith unto you, do it’ (Jn 2:5)… Mary then fades into the
background.

Search the Scriptures as you will and you will find no leadership role for Mary among the Apostles.* She taught no doctrine.
We never hear of the Apostles seeking her out for counsel.* Other than the gospels, Mary is mentioned only once in the New
Testament, where the Book of Acts tells us of her simple participation in a prayer meeting along with her sons.* The teaching
that Mary was a perpetual virgin is contradicted by many verses (Mt 12:46; Mk 6:3; Jn 7: 3,5; 1Cor 9:5; Gal 1:19; Ps
69:8,etc.)…The Apostle Peter, a contemporary of Mary and regarded by Catholics as the first pope, wrote nothing about her.
The Apostle Paul…made no mention of the alleged importance of devotions or reparations to Mary…The Apostle John, who
wrote the last book of the Bible and was given the care of Mary by Jesus Himself, says nothing about venerating her…Although
mankind is being drawn into every kind of spiritual deception in the last days before the return of Jesus, it is especially sad that
the real mother of Jesus, the remarkable ‘handmaiden of the Lord’ (Lk 1:38) is so terribly misrepresented, thereby drawing
millions away from her Son…

(Conversely), the Mary of Catholicism was immaculately conceived, the Mother of God, a perpetual virgin, Mediatrix between
God and man, and the Queen of Heaven…The ‘Mary’ who spoke to Father Gobbi, the founder of the Marian Movement of
more than 100,000 priests, declared, ‘Each of my statues is a sign of a presence of mine and reminds you of your heavenly
Mother.* Therefore it must be honored and put in places of greater veneration…’

Consider Our Lady of Fatima: (she said) ‘Say the Rosary every day to obtain peace for the world…God wishes to establish in
the world the devotion to My immaculate heart.* If people do what I tell you, many souls will be saved and there will be peace.’

This is not the humble and submissive Mary of the Bible.* The rosary invokes prayers to Mary ten times for every one for the
Lord; Jesus is the Prince of Peace; only Christ’s once-for-all sacrifice saves souls from hell; neither is Mary’s heart immaculate,
nor are we to be spiritually devoted to anyone other than our Lord and Savior” (excerpts ended).

 

[christloveus07]

The Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is NOT the Christian doctrine which states that Jesus was born without
sin. Rather, it states that Mary was born free of any sin: “O, Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to
thee.” The prayer specifically presents her as intercessor. In addition, Catholics believe that as a special privilege Mary was
preserved from all sin, even venial sin*. Catholics also hold to the doctrine that Mary, after her death, was “assumpted” bodily
into heaven and, therefore, never saw corruption… Both the Feast of the Assumption and the Immaculate Conception are
“holydays of obligation” in the Catholic Church and require Catholics to attend a Mass on those days under penalty of
“mortal”* sin.

One of the titles the Catholic Church gives Mary is “Queen of Heaven.” In chapters 7:18 and 44:19 Jeremiah actually speaks of
the people of Israel making offerings to a “queen of heaven.” Yet a simple reading of the chapters shows that God was
exceedingly angry because of this heathen worship.

There is also a mixing of what is Biblical and what is Catholic in the “Hail Mary,” the prayer used repeatedly in the rosary. It
states:* “Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art thou among women…” This is actually found in Luke 1:28.
However, the rest of the prayer is not Biblical.* It states “…Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for* us sinners, now and at the
hour of our death. Amen.”* Mary is “holy” only as she is holy in Jesus.* She was not the mother of God, but of the child Jesus* -
stating it as the Catholic Church does confers upon her a title that denotes her superiority over Jesus.* She cannot pray for us
sinners because she herself was a sinner, and because only Jesus “ever liveth to make intercession for us” (Heb 7:25).

 

[stewstew03]

Bible:* “Every Scripture is God-breathed – given by His inspiration – and profitable for instruction, for reproof, for correction of
error, and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, well-fitted and thoroughly equipped for every
good work” (2 Ti 3: 16-17). See also 2 Pe 1: 3-10 and 1 Cor 2:13.

Deut 4:2; Prov 30:5,6; Rev 22: 19 are just some of the warnings in the Bible dealing with adding to or subtracting from God’s
Holy Word. The RCC, however, does not seem to heed these warnings. As just one example, the Catholic Church does not
profess the simple Ten Commandments, eliminating the second commandment to have no idols before God and to create no
graven images.* The RCC then takes the Biblical tenth Commandment and makes it into two instead of one. Hence, the RCC
Ten Commandments are not the Biblical Ten Commandments. The Roman Catholic Church believes that there are more than
the 66 canonical books of the Bible, adding what they call the Apocrypha*.* The Apocrypha contains descriptions of Jesus
performing magic as a child, and the Catholic beliefs in praying for the dead and purgatory. “Purgatory is the place of suffering a
Catholic enters after death when he may need to make additional reparation for his sins. There he pays for the temporal
punishment of sins not previously atoned for by acts of penance* or canceled by indulgences*, special credits obtained from the
RCC by performing religious acts” (J. McCarthy: What You Need To Know About Roman Catholicism).

The Catholic Church also adds tradition and papal infallibility* to the teachings of the Bible, thereby placing both above the
inerrancy of the Bible.* (Mt 15:6 states: “So for the sake of your tradition, you have set aside the Word of God and made it null
and void.”)

Hmmm… I wonder if Phineas and christloveus07 are the same person…?

Compare these two posts:

You also know that the second commandment is eliminated from the Catholic version

… It is no where to be found, gone. The only way the Catholic church could keep the ten was to split one of the others, as there were only nine left now. So they went and divided the tenth command regarding coveting into two separate commandments in order to keep the number at ten.

versus…

As just one example,** the Catholic Church does not
profess the simple Ten Commandments, eliminating the second commandment to have no idols before God and to create no
graven images.* The RCC then takes the Biblical tenth Commandment and makes it into two instead of one. Hence, the RCC
Ten Commandments are not the Biblical Ten Commandments**

At the very least, both of these “trial members” are reading from the same anti-Catholic playbook.

 

[adf417]

Seriously?
Did you just finish reading Loraine Boettner or something…?

There seems to be a recent influx of quite a few “trial member” or “new member” protestants spewing identical anti-Catholic venom on these discussion boards…

Yep, I don’t see how you guys can keep on argueing the same point over and over like no one has been listening. It seems like people log in, picks up the thread at the latest post, offer a comment as though you haven’t ever heard it before. But it it’s the same arguement that has been going on for 500 years so…

 

[Isaiah45_9]

Isn’t it sad how sola scriptura proponents are so adamant about not being under the direction of any other person?

Their biggest proposal is that they can interpret the Bible in whatever way they see fit. That the Bible is personal and not universal?

I don’t remember reading about Jesus passing out pamphlets of the OT to people and telling them to go read it and you will each individually will receive your own truth.

I do remember Him choosing other people to go and spread the Gospel. There were sure scrolls at the time, there were sure Scriptures at the time. He didn’t make thousands of copies of the Scriptures. He chose 12 men, of those 11 remained, and the 11 under the guidance of the Holy Spirit as promised to THEM chose others.

Which one of us can claim a direct lineage to the Apostles line?
What Churches can claim a direct lineage to their teaching? Ultimately to Christ’s teachings?

…

That’s what I thought.

Isn’t it amazing that the Father is drawing us to His Son?

And here we are discarding that Grace and looking for things that fit our personal mold…

Are we not called to be servants of Christ?

I claim to be a Christian, and still I want to make my own religion… based on what?

Instead of treasuring the Bible as the gift it is, I rather use it as a weapon of war?

Come on now…

In Him.

 

[CopticChristian]

The Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is NOT the Christian doctrine which states that Jesus was born without
sin. Rather, it states that Mary was born free of any sin: “O, Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to
thee.” The prayer specifically presents her as intercessor. In addition, Catholics believe that as a special privilege Mary was
preserved from all sin, even venial sin*. Catholics also hold to the doctrine that Mary, after her death, was “assumpted” bodily
into heaven and, therefore, never saw corruption… Both the Feast of the Assumption and the Immaculate Conception are
“holydays of obligation” in the Catholic Church and require Catholics to attend a Mass on those days under penalty of
“mortal”* sin.

One of the titles the Catholic Church gives Mary is “Queen of Heaven.” In chapters 7:18 and 44:19 Jeremiah actually speaks of
the people of Israel making offerings to a “queen of heaven.” Yet a simple reading of the chapters shows that God was
exceedingly angry because of this heathen worship.

There is also a mixing of what is Biblical and what is Catholic in the “Hail Mary,” the prayer used repeatedly in the rosary. It
states:* “Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art thou among women…” This is actually found in Luke 1:28.
However, the rest of the prayer is not Biblical.* It states “…Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for* us sinners, now and at the
hour of our death. Amen.”* Mary is “holy” only as she is holy in Jesus.* She was not the mother of God, but of the child Jesus* -
stating it as the Catholic Church does confers upon her a title that denotes her superiority over Jesus.* She cannot pray for us
sinners because she herself was a sinner, and because only Jesus “ever liveth to make intercession for us” (Heb 7:25).

Wow,

You have me convinced that you read a Bible. One question. Which Translation are you using?

 

[richard_wang]

Please help refute this…Sola scripture vs Roman Catholicism

Simple enough…

1. Did Jesus tell his disciples, “Guys write down everything I say and follow them exactly to the letter.”?

NOPE

1. Did St. Paul tell everyone, “Remember all those letter I wrote to you? Put them in a book and follow them exactly to the letter.”?

NOPE

1. Before the Bible was put together, where there any Christians? Before the Bible was put together, where the Apostles Christians? Before the Bible was put together, where the Martyrs Christians?

YES

1. Before the Bible was put together, was there a Christian Church?

YES

Thus the Bible alone was not then and is not now “all that is sufficient” for Christianity.

…

Now here’s an interesting question.

1. Did Jesus institute the Eucharist?

YES

1. Did the Apostles celebrate the Eucharist?

YES

1. Did the Early Church celebrate the Eucharist?

YES

1. Did the Apostles and the Early Church believe that the Eucharist was truly the body and blood of Christ?

YES

Is the Eucharist sufficient for the Christian Faith?

…Think about it.