please ... i desperately need your help.

[AveSantaMaria]

I am not 100% sure if I am answering the question that I received concerning my previous posts correctly, but I am led to believe that the question requests scriptural sources for the excerpts of the books that I posted by saints canonized by the Catholic Church on the immense, extraordinary, and wonderful power, patronage, and protection of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Below I will post an apologist thoughts to the best of my ability. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong or misguided in any way, no matter how slight.

1. Where does out faith come from? How do we know what is true? If one reads the Old Testament (that we claim is from the Jews) and reads the current Jewish versions of the Old Testament, we see slight discrepancies at the least. If one uses a Catholic bible and one uses a Protestant Bible, we see a difference in books: one has the Apocrypha, the other does not. If one thoroughly investigates the Bible, one even finds seeming contradictions and inaccuracies, as has been noted by Theodoret and St. Augustine litteralchristianlibrary.wetpaint.com/page/Jonah+Chapter+3
   Confessions of St. Augustine newadvent.org/fathers/1101.htm
   How can all of this be resolved and we still have faith in Scripture?

To the best of my understanding and what I have seen from study, even apparent contradictions and controversies still have a deep spiritual meaning that is sometimes not apparent to the eye without divine revelation or intense and sustained theological study. For example, one of the Saints points out that: in the book of Jonah, we see that God preached a judgment to Ninevah if they did not repent but did not execute that judgment in the way we would expect in the physical world. Yet, that judgment was executed in the spiritual world. The sins of the city ended; thus the sinful city was destroyed. The 3 day and 40 day controversy is something that I don’t personally understand, but I’m sure some Godly explanation will exist. Hence why Jesus could resolve questions that the Sadducees and Pharisees debated: such as the Resurrection of the Dead using their own scripture that they still did not understand after extensive study. Scripture may very well be NO LESS subtle than any other science that God has created such as physics or philosophy, and subtle aspects of Scripture may require God’s gift of wisdom or discernment, not granted to all, to truly comprehend. So the idea that every moral question may be simply resolved by a cursory glance at Scripture and that alone may not be justifiable. To me, the best show of that is that the Popes of the Catholic Church condemned slavery since about the 1600s, using natural law - ALSO created by God to figure out this moral question instead of relying solely on their interpretation of Scripture.

1. Now, where does Scripture come from?
   To the best of my horribly imperfect and wikipedia blessed knowledge, Scripture came because it was compiled and accepted about 400 or so years after the death of Christ, Savior, King, Lamb, Spouse. The Canon of Scripture developed over time. In the early 200s, there were still disputes among the believers about whether or not to include Hebrews, James II, Peter II, John II and III. The African Synod of Hippo in 393, Councils of Carthage in 397 and 419, determined Canon as it exists today - under the authority of the St. Augustine of Hippo that I mentioned earlier However, not until the Council of Trent in 1546 was it officially defined.
   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon#Christian_canons

P.S. Martin Luther wanted to remove several books from the Canon of Scripture that we now all commonly accept, including Revelations.

So, if we don’t think the saints (St. Augustine) are a great source of authority, why should we listen to scripture at all given that they compiled it for us and chose which books to keep and which not to, like the Gospel of St. Mary Magdalene and the Gospel of Peter that were not kept in!

1. Is Scripture ALL there is to know about Jesus and Mary
   “There are also many other things that Jesus did, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written.” **John 21:25 **
2. Who are the saints that we should listen to them?
   Blessed Mother Teresas and perhaps greater than Blessed Mother Teresas of earlier centuries. If you could seek advice from stupid me or you could seek advice from Blessed Mother Teresa, who would you listen to?

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *

Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse.

For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world!

O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us!

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *

 

[AveSantaMaria]

Saints may be those for whom two Church verified miracles have been worked in their name or have been martyred for the faith. Which is why Mother Teresa is Blessed Mother Teresa and not Saint Mother Teresa because only one miracle has been worked, not two. Maybe God gives the stamp of approval on their lives through miracles

1. *Origin of the verse on the Mother of the Word as terrible as a battle array in spiritual warfare? * "I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will strike at your head, while you strike at his heel."Genesis 3:15 Traditionally, the woman is interpreted as Mary. Her children, of whom Jesus is the first born, war with the serpent.
2. Are there any other bible verses that in a highly obvious way suggest the power of Mary?
   Maybe these do: when Angel Gabriel tells her, "Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you."Luke 1:28 Maybe that says that she is deserving of being hailed [one definition: to acclaim, to approve enthusiastically ] by the Archangels and angels of God and the Lord is with Her, even before she is pregnant with the Lord.
   Then he later tells her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be called Holy, the Son of God."Luke 1:35 Maybe the therefore is exceptional here, we know that the Holy Spirit comes upon Her, and maybe it never leaves since God does not change and the Holy Spirit has not forevermore always come upon her. Maybe the power of the Most High overshadows her, and the same log as above. Maybe the word therefore suggests that it is because God and the Holy Spirit has come upon her in such a powerful overshadowing unique way that Jesus will be called Holy.

"When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the Holy Spirit, cried out in a loud voice and said, "Most blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus.Luke 1:41-42 Maybe it just might be true that if there is any woman who fulfills the prophecy of Genesis 3:15, it is her, since she is not only blessed, but Most blessed and by nothing more than greeting someone - not praying, not hugging, not serving - she fills Elizabeth with the Holy Spirit and the infant in Elizabeth’s womb leaps for joy.

As the Immaculate Heart of Mary said, "Behold, from now on ages call me blessed. The Mighty One has done great things for me and Holy is his name.Luke 1:48-49

At the Immaculate Heart of Mary’s request, Jesus changed water into wine. At the Crucifixion, Jesus told John, “Behold, your Mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his home.John 19:27 Historical study suggests that every disciple was martyred except for John, who was thrown into boiling oil and escaped alive. The gospel of John also reveals the Eucharist to us in the most profound depth, the books of John reveal that God is love in astounding simplicity, and Revelations might be a big deal.

Mother Teresa was born Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu but changed her name after St. Therese of Lieux, patron saint of missionaries who died at 24 of tuberculosis and wrote an autobiography: The Story of a Soul gutenberg.org/etext/16772 St. Therese of Liseux said she would spend her heaven doing good on earth. Now Mother Teresa named herself after her, followed her “little way”, published books that may take a lot from St. Therese of Liseux’s autobiography, received a Nobel Peace Prize, is considered the greatest in India (not including Gandhi) by Indians though she is an Albanian from England, and is on the way to sainthood in the Catholic Church. Maybe she had special help

The Immaculate Heart of Mary appeared to school children in Rwanda and told them to convert, repent, pray the Rosary, join the Legion of Mary, pray the Chaplet of Seven Sorrows. Otherwise, there would be a "river of blood. The appartion is documented by Rwandan radio, YouTube, and the New York Times. query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9400E4D81738F93BA35757C0A96F958260 Did Rwanda listen and obey this Marian apparition? Is the Rwandan Genocide a river of blood?

May the LOVE and MERCY of the Sacred Heart of Jesus be glorified through all eternity, everywhere, both now and forever!! May the WONDER and POWER of the Immaculate Heart of Mary be known!! May the Holy Spirit through the Immaculate Heart of Mary grace us with the gifts we most desperately need!!

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *

Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse.

For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world!

O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us!

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *

 

[beckycmarie]

Hi beckycmarie;

Being a faithful Catholic, doesn’t mean the person is a faith filled Christian. There are Catholics who follow the religion very well, but out of conformity, than actual faith in Christ Jesus.

Just for clarification, the person who was possessed in the example I gave was quite holy.

I don’t think we should call someone a “faithful Catholic” who just acts the part, and somehow differentiate that from a faith filled Christian. A faithful Catholic IS a faith-filled Christian.

 

[littleone]

When I read a thread like this my heart just sinks.How convenient to blame demonic possession for every rotten, dumb or just plain stupid decision we ever make in life. I have to ask myself do I really want to embrace a faith which promulgates such utter hogwash and self deception but thankfully this is not Catholicism; this is not what the Church teaches. This is verging on mass hysteria.
Demonic possession is as rare as Miracles. By all means visit your priest but a doctor should be the first point of call.

**I ask you to be careful when relating to these situations I have done some work in this area over many years. When relating through these blogs to such possibly dangerous situations then choose your words and be at peace having mercy in all thought and realising the outcome from your words for those in these situations. You may disuade or lead others to the wrong direction through anger (not saying youare iin this way)… **

Godbless

 

[beckycmarie]

Hi littleone,

Glad to see someone else with experience in this field.

Although I don’t agree with the way Black Dog phrased his post, it did give me pause to consider if perhaps what I posted in a way that I thought was just matter-of-fact may have come across to the average reader as “hysterical.”

In retrospect I should not have used the phrase “full blown possession” even though it was not my intent to diagnose the person. That was TMI and I should have kept that opinion to myself. I do not have the authority to make such a declaration anyways and I was out of line by using that phrase.

And I probably should have stopped typing after suggesting she go to a priest, rather than continuing the thought by mentioning the Solemn Exorcism. Those of us involved in deliverance know that the Church’s exorcists may use the rite as a diagnostic tool, but for the average Joe seeing the words “Solemn Exorcism” equals, once again, “full blown possession.” So looking at my post with a critical eye, I can see where someone would raise such a strong objection to it.

I should mention, that it is equally erroneous for someone in a forum to come in and declare that a person is NOT possessed. We really need to leave the diagnosing to the exorcists. We shouldn’t discourage someone from getting help by poo-pooing a potential demonization.

My apologies to Allison if the phraseology I used created anxiety. I will exercise more prudence in word choice in the future in such threads.

And Allison, I am glad you are taking this issue to a priest. Other than that you can pray for your friend (I don’t recommend praying “over” him). For yourself, I still recommend the hedge prayer; it is a powerful and comforting prayer especially when you are experiencing fear.

 

[RubyT]

When I read a thread like this my heart just sinks.How convenient to blame demonic possession for every rotten, dumb or just plain stupid decision we ever make in life. I have to ask myself do I really want to embrace a faith which promulgates such utter hogwash and self deception but thankfully this is not Catholicism; this is not what the Church teaches. This is verging on mass hysteria.
Demonic possession is as rare as Miracles. By all means visit your priest but a doctor should be the first point of call.

How convenient to you for using your self appointed opinion as a truth. Are you some kind of an authority in the church or just a self appointed authority? Self appointed authority to know this is hogwash over an internet connection.

Do you have some kind of evidence as to the rarity of miracles? They may be more common than you think.

Mass hysteria, now whos exaggerating? Most posters have the correct response go to the priest. Mass hysteria now thats the hogwash.

This could be real, this could be physical illness, of course the priest will certainly send him to a physician first, who will then send him to a psychiatrist etc etc.

Even if this is not real the OP has the perception of this as reality and I think some compassion is in order. Perception can be reality to that person. They are writing for help and you are responding with calling it hogwash. The fact is this person is calling out for our help. You think you would have used more tact. Even if you have serious doubt; shame on you for lacking compassion. Bottom line, you really don’t know if this is a true possession and it is pontifical of you to claim that you do.

My prayers are with you xAlsonx.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

beckycmarie;

Just for clarification, the person who was possessed in the example I gave was quite holy.

Then protection against demonic possession would be impossible, because Satan would have more power than God. Of course this is not the case, otherwise, why bother praying to the Blessed Mother for protection against evil? If a person prays for God’s protection, but ends up becoming demoniacally possessed, what does it say about God?

No, the fact is, even though a person may appear to be holy, unless the heart is pure, there is no true holiness and it is probably the case with the woman you’re writing about. Her holiness was fraudulent and perhaps given through the influence of the demon.

Jim

 

[beckycmarie]

beckycmarie;

Then protection against demonic possession would be impossible, because Satan would have more power than God. Of course this is not the case, otherwise, why bother praying to the Blessed Mother for protection against evil? If a person prays for God’s protection, but ends up becoming demoniacally possessed, what does it say about God?

No, the fact is, even though a person may appear to be holy, unless the heart is pure, there is no true holiness and it is probably the case with the woman you’re writing about. Her holiness was fraudulent and perhaps given through the influence of the demon.

Jim

God can allow, and has allowed holy people to suffer demonic attacks - and He does so for the good of souls (See Romans 8:28) and the CCC (bolding mine):

395 The power of Satan is, nonetheless, not infinite. He is only a creature, powerful from the fact that he is pure spirit, but still a creature. He cannot prevent the building up of God’s reign. Although Satan may act in the world out of hatred for God and his kingdom in Christ Jesus, and although his action may cause grave injuries - of a spiritual nature and, indirectly, even of a physical nature- to each man and to society, the action is permitted by divine providence which with strength and gentleness guides human and cosmic history. It is a great mystery that providence should permit diabolical activity, but "we know that in everything God works for good with those who love him."

Antoine Gray, the man in the book mentioned before, is the only possessed holy person I’ve heard of, but examples abound of those who were saintly and God allowed demons to torment them for the good of their own souls and for the souls of others. St. Anthony of the Desert, St. John Vianney, St. Padre Pio, St. Gemma Galgani all come to mind.

Being holy does not inoculate you from suffering of any kind, including demonic attacks - in fact a holy person is more likely to suffer since God gives heavy crosses to those whom He wills to raise to the heights of holiness.

Satan’s attacking a holy person doesn’t make Satan any more powerful than God than it makes those who’ve martyred Christians throughout the centuries more powerful than God. By the logic you’re using, no Christians would ever suffer anything because they are “protected by God.” And we know that it is not true that we are protected from all suffering. Instead we are to take up our crosses, whatever they may be, and follow Christ.

The bottom line is demons are creatures who can make evil choices and attack people just as evil people do in this world. God can allow them to do so because He can take their evil and use it for the conversion of souls and for the greater merit of those who are to become saints.

 

[Monica4316]

hi sis, hugs wow this sounds really difficult …and scary…
here’s the advice I have for you based on everything I’ve read about spiritual warfare…

first, please direct your friend to an exorcist. He’ll determine if this is real possession (sure sounds like it) and will do the rest. I’ve read a few interviews with Fr. Amorth who’s the Vatican exorcist, and it sure sounds like it’s a job for a trained professional, not a lay person.

Secondly, please don’t talk to the demon!!! I can’t stress this enough… the Saints have warned us of this… there was a story about a monk with whom the devil couldn’t do anything about, because each time the devil talked to him, the monk started praying to God and didn’t listen. Didn’t talk back. Which brings me to my next point, please don’t listen to the demon either. Demons are CLEVER, they are also liars, they don’t say the truth… the devil is expected to deny that God is greater and stronger than he is and that there is no hope for a possessed person.

I don’t know if a demon can possess a Christian. …the devil is REALLY tricky. If you invite him in, he’ll come. Whether through the occult, etc. Which means, again, please don’t talk or listen to it! Right when you start a conversation with a demon you’re in danger. However if you keep on praying and don’t actively involve yourself with the demon, I do believe that God will keep you safe and the demon will not be able to touch you!! Just always go through God and Mary NEVER EVER on your own!!! I can’t stress this enough…

Exorcists don’t listen to demons at all. No matter what the person is screaming at them, they continue praying. This is an important point…

Only go through God and the Blessed Virgin, call upon St Michael and Saints, but never talk to the fallen spirits.

If you want to protect yourself, …definitely talk to your priest, and ask him if he knows an exorcist to help your friend, sometimes there are exorcists in the diocese… if you find an exorcist maybe you can ask him too how you can protect yourself.
Well first don’t stress out… cause God is stronger than this!! the demons are powerful but we have God on our side.
Think about getting a St Benedict medal… get some holy water… prayers to Mary and St Michael the Archangel help, and obviously to God. Keep sacramentals on you, especially a crucifix. They won’t keep anyone from possession if the person invites in a demon, but if you’re trying to protect yourself they’re good together with prayer

Also, look into things like the Precious Blood of Christ devotion. It’s approved by the Church and one of the promises behind it is that Christ will protect anyone using it from evil attacks cause of course His Blood and the Cross is what defeated sin and evil in the first place… (of course even when there is protection it’s still possible to invite a demon through one’s own free will, so it’s still important to not involve yourself with the fallen spirit, even with this) ask Jesus to cover you and your friend in His precious Blood…pray the chaplet… it’s a pretty good devotion IMO
the promises: preciousbloodinternational.com/prayers_27.html
check out the prayers:
preciousbloodinternational.com/

also you can pray the Divine Mercy chaplet and other prayers of the Church…

definitely talk to a priest…

this must be soo scary for you, please don’t be worried though just trust God and don’t listen or speak to the demon and try to keep on praying continuously in your head when you’re with your friend. See if you can get an exorcist, it sounds like this is what your friend really needs now.

God bless!

 

[beckycmarie]

Secondly, please don’t talk to the demon!!! I can’t stress this enough… the Saints have warned us of this… there was a story about a monk with whom the devil couldn’t do anything about, because each time the devil talked to him, the monk started praying to God and didn’t listen. Didn’t talk back. Which brings me to my next point, please don’t listen to the demon either. Demons are CLEVER, they are also liars, they don’t say the truth… the devil is expected to deny that God is greater and stronger than he is and that there is no hope for a possessed person.

Very good advice, and not something we’re generally told in Catholic school, CCD or RCIA, probably because encountering a demon verbally is not something that many of us will experience in our lifetime. Usually they stay hidden and work on people with temptations.

Demons are far more intelligent than we. Aquinas explains that the difference in intelligence between angels and humans is similar to the difference between humans and animals. For an angel, observing us must be at times like our watching a dog chase its tail. Demons also have thousands of years of observing human behavior and know how to push our buttons. As the lead singer of Casting Crowns puts it, for them, “figuring you out isn’t rocket science.”

Since they are liars you generally can’t believe a word they say anyway, so listening to one is a waste of time and may cause you to have fear and doubts.

 

[Eucharisted]

My best advice is prayer and talk to a priest.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

beckycmarie;

God can allow, and has allowed holy people to suffer demonic attacks - and He does so for the good of souls (See Romans 8:28) and the CCC (bolding mine):

Demonic attacks are not demonic possession.

God allows souls who are spiritually strong enough, to go through such things, but also knows that these souls will prevail.

God does not allow demonic possession to take hold of a soul, who seeks his protection. For one, the demon can not go near a soul who invokes the name of Jesus.

St Theresa of Lisiuex, St. Francis of Assisi, did have battles with demons, but the demons never possessed them nor did they attempt to. The demons tried to convince them to turn away from God and seek worldly pleasures, just as the devil tempted Jesus in the desert.

Demonic possession is the submission of the will of the soul, to the demon. People who are truly holy, could never do this, for their will has already been surrendered to Christ.

Jim

 

[beckycmarie]

Demonic possession is the submission of the will of the soul, to the demon. People who are truly holy, could never do this, for their will has already been surrendered to Christ.

And here’s an example of where Malachi Martin’s faulty demonology with his invention of the concept of a “perfect posession” causes confusion.

In a possession, the demon has control of the person’s body but does NOT possess the person’s will. God Himself doesn’t violate a person’s free will, why would He allow a demon that kind of power and control?

Some of us have had an older brother who would grab our hand and smack us with our own fist while saying “stop hitting yourself.” (Or maybe it’s just me. . .) It wasn’t my will to hit myself, and I certainly didn’t give my brother permission to do so. My brother was doing this by controlling my arm against my will. A similar thing happens in possession.

A person who is possessed is not under control 24/7. They can go to Confession and receive the Eucharist when the demon isn’t using their body to prevent it. In other words, a person can be in the state of grace and still be possessed.

I would avoid the works of Malachi Martin (a topic for a whole other thread) and stick with those loyal to the Church.

Jim, I challenge you to read Evidence of Satan in the Modern World (which has a Nihil obstat and Imprimatur) and then come back and let me know if you still believe it’s impossible for a holy person to be possessed.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

And here’s an example of where Malachi Martin’s faulty demonology with his invention of the concept of a “perfect posession” causes confusion.

In a possession, the demon has control of the person’s body but does NOT possess the person’s will. God Himself doesn’t violate a person’s free will, why would He allow a demon that kind of power and control?

Some of us have had an older brother who would grab our hand and smack us with our own fist while saying “stop hitting yourself.” (Or maybe it’s just me. . .) It wasn’t my will to hit myself, and I certainly didn’t give my brother permission to do so. My brother was doing this by controlling my arm against my will. A similar thing happens in possession.

A person who is possessed is not under control 24/7. They can go to Confession and receive the Eucharist when the demon isn’t using their body to prevent it. In other words, a person can be in the state of grace and still be possessed.

I would avoid the works of Malachi Martin (a topic for a whole other thread) and stick with those loyal to the Church.

Jim, I challenge you to read Evidence of Satan in the Modern World (which has a Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur) and then come back and let me know if you still believe it’s impossible for a holy person to be possessed.

Becky, the official exorcist priest of the Archdioceses of New York was on Mother Angelica, and he said that he consulted with Malachi Martin, when he first became an exorcist priest and over the years. He said Malachi Martin was an expert on exorcism and demonic possession, and when a caller asked about Martin’s book, “Hostage to the Devil,” this exorcist priest, said it was very accurate and that it was on five cases of demonic possession, documented by the Catholic Church.

I believe Martin’s book, also has the imprimatur.

At any rate, I don’t care to argue about it, and I’m not interested in reading about the devil more than I already have. I give him as little time as possible.

Jim

 

[Monica4316]

A clarification

Also, look into things like the Precious Blood of Christ devotion. It’s approved by the Church and one of the promises behind it is that Christ will protect anyone using it from evil attacks cause of course His Blood and the Cross is what defeated sin and evil in the first place… (of course even when there is protection it’s still possible to invite a demon through one’s own free will, so it’s still important to not involve yourself with the fallen spirit, even with this) ask Jesus to cover you and your friend in His precious Blood…pray the chaplet… it’s a pretty good devotion IMO
the promises: preciousbloodinternationa…rayers_27.html
check out the prayers:
preciousbloodinternational.com/

I just want to clarify about something I said in this other post!!

this devotion is ancient and is indeed approved by the Church,
papalencyclicals.net/John23/j23pb.htm
however, not exactly in the way it’s written on the website… on that particular website, it talks a lot about some visions (private revelations) that someone had recently (in the 90s). I don’t know if they’re approved or not by the Church, but SOME people have said that there are things in those visions that **might **not be true (not from God). catholicplanet.com/apparitions/false33.htm It’s not the same as “official”, approved private revelations like the Divine Mercy of Sacred Heart devotions, which the Church really supports. Personally I’d stick to those. Soo - I’d be careful about that… and about the website in general. I’m so sorry I hope I haven’t caused more confusion I didn’t realize this at the time.
Devotion to the Precious Blood of our Lord is good and I do believe it’s good for protection as well, as any true devotion or prayer, but as it’s described in the Pope’s encyclical, not sure about the website though!! My best advice is to just stick to what the Church has approved can’t go wrong with that. Maybe the critics just haven’t understood the messages correctly, but still, I wouldn’t want anyone to be deceived because of one of my posts lol! Soo just wanted to mention, just in case.

sorry

Devotion to the Precious Blood of Christ

This devotion, in its true and ancient form, is a devotion to the holy Eucharist and to the sufferings of Christ on the Cross for our salvation. But in its altered form, it becomes a complex program of prayers to be said at certain times over the course of five months, in order to obtain protection from the Antichrist and, supposedly, the Seal of the Living God from the Book of Revelation. And if anyone criticizes this claimed private revelation, the response is to misrepresent the criticism as if it were against the true devotion itself, rather than against its distorted form in a claimed private revelation.

the part in red is more of what the Church supports.

 

[beckycmarie]

I believe Martin’s book, also has the imprimatur.

Not to continue the argument with you, Jim, but for the sake of those reading this thread, Martin’s book does not have an Imprimatur.

 

[xAlisonx]

i didn’t mean to start an argument. x honestly, i’m no longer worried about possession. i am praying, starting to say the Rosary every night, i trust that God will take care of me.

just to clarify, i did end up talking directly with the demon, who i now realize was trying to provoke me into talking with it, and i grew so angry with its outright lies that i did (stupidly) engage it in conversation. however, i didn’t listen to anything that it said, knowing completely that everything it said about God, about my friend - and about me - were complete lies. i haven’t talked to my friend in a couple days, and tomorrow i might get the chance to talk to my pastor. my parents don’t want me to call him because they think that’s it’s simply a case of mental health, which makes me upset. but i will persist in trying to find help for my friend, and if it takes having to find him after i go to Confession tomorrow, so be it.

i did realize, though, the last time my friend called me - which was yesterday - that talking with the demon was very stupid and dangerous, so when the demon actually said ‘hi’ to me and called me pathetic and worthless, trying to get under my skin, i immediately said goodbye to my friend and got off the phone so that it couldn’t provoke me further, and so that i wouldn’t be in danger of getting in another conversation with it.

i’m positive that my prayers and the protection of God, our Blessed Mother and St. Michael are keeping me safe, and will continue to keep me safe. i don’t think this is something i need to live in constant fear of. the devil has attacked me spiritually before, and brought me into dark places of depression spiritually, and i have suffered from his lies before. i** know enough by now not to believe a demon, and so please don’t worry that it’s caused any doubt or fear in my heart. i know God, and i love Him with all that i am and have, and that will never change. the demon did say something about wanting to hurt me but not being able to, so i’m also keeping that in mind.**

i would really appreciate it if all of you could continue to keep me and my friend in your prayers. thank you so much to everyone who took the time to respond. i truly appreciate it, and please know that i am always here for each and every one of you, so please don’t ever hesitate to contact me if you ever need anything at all. God bless you all.

love,
in the peace and love of Christ,
alison xx

 

[Monica4316]

i didn’t mean to start an argument. x honestly, i’m no longer worried about possession. i am praying, starting to say the Rosary every night, i trust that God will take care of me.

just to clarify, i did end up talking directly with the demon, who i now realize was trying to provoke me into talking with it, and i grew so angry with its outright lies that i did (stupidly) engage it in conversation. however, i didn’t listen to anything that it said, knowing completely that everything it said about God, about my friend - and about me - were complete lies. i haven’t talked to my friend in a couple days, and tomorrow i might get the chance to talk to my pastor. my parents don’t want me to call him because they think that’s it’s simply a case of mental health, which makes me upset. but i will persist in trying to find help for my friend, and if it takes having to find him after i go to Confession tomorrow, so be it.

i did realize, though, the last time my friend called me - which was yesterday - that talking with the demon was very stupid and dangerous, so when the demon actually said ‘hi’ to me and called me pathetic and worthless, trying to get under my skin, i immediately said goodbye to my friend and got off the phone so that it couldn’t provoke me further, and so that i wouldn’t be in danger of getting in another conversation with it.

i’m positive that my prayers and the protection of God, our Blessed Mother and St. Michael are keeping me safe, and will continue to keep me safe. i don’t think this is something i need to live in constant fear of. the devil has attacked me spiritually before, and brought me into dark places of depression spiritually, and i have suffered from his lies before. i** know enough by now not to believe a demon, and so please don’t worry that it’s caused any doubt or fear in my heart. i know God, and i love Him with all that i am and have, and that will never change. the demon did say something about wanting to hurt me but not being able to, so i’m also keeping that in mind.**

i would really appreciate it if all of you could continue to keep me and my friend in your prayers. thank you so much to everyone who took the time to respond. i truly appreciate it, and please know that i am always here for each and every one of you, so please don’t ever hesitate to contact me if you ever need anything at all. God bless you all.

love,
in the peace and love of Christ,
alison xx

Alison, I know how it’s like to be attacked by demons… I’ve been attacked too… keep on trusting God, He is stronger. I’ll keep you in my prayers (hugs)

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Not to continue the argument with you, Jim, but for the sake of those reading this thread, Martin’s book does not have an Imprimatur.

OK, I stand corrected on this point.

And I’ve said enough on the subject

God Bless
Jim

 

[Black_Dog]

How convenient to you for using your self appointed opinion as a truth. Are you some kind of an authority in the church or just a self appointed authority? Self appointed authority to know this is hogwash over an internet connection.

Do you have some kind of evidence as to the rarity of miracles? They may be more common than you think.

Mass hysteria, now whos exaggerating? Most posters have the correct response go to the priest. Mass hysteria now thats the hogwash.

This could be real, this could be physical illness, of course the priest will certainly send him to a physician first, who will then send him to a psychiatrist etc etc.

Even if this is not real the OP has the perception of this as reality and I think some compassion is in order. Perception can be reality to that person. They are writing for help and you are responding with calling it hogwash. The fact is this person is calling out for our help. You think you would have used more tact. Even if you have serious doubt; shame on you for lacking compassion. Bottom line, you really don’t know if this is a true possession and it is pontifical of you to claim that you do.

My prayers are with you xAlsonx.

You are absolutely right and I am/was in the wrong and yes…totally lacking in compassion and I apologise unreservedly to the OP…I am deeply ashamed. It wasnt my intention to claim any authority, rather I needed to believe that it wasnt true. Sorry.