Please name the denoms that are pro-choice..

[emeraldcoast]

Hear it several times a year in the Parishes I attend. But the question was whether a denomination was pro-choice. Although not a denomination the Church is the staunchest defender of the unborn on the planet

Who is the church?? The church is the “body of believers”, correct??

 

[O.S.Luke]

Not much of a strong stance at all-they opoose abotion for gender selection and birth control and oppose partial birth abortion unless the Mothers life is in danger. That leaves several hundred thousand abortions year they have no problm with

I guess I have to ask - what is left?

 

[estesbob]

Who is the church?? The church is the “body of believers”, correct??

The Catholic Church of course.

 

[Lilyflower]

The vast majority of non-Catholic denominations are pro-choice (or will veil the question in language about “a woman must make this decision with prayer and support from the community” blah blah blah").

Every mainstream denomination has a web site where you can look up the statement of faith, and you can search on various issues.

You will find it eye opening information.

My brother-in-law, a leading light in a free-evangelical church does not even see abortion as a moral decision. He says his church does not get involved in anything that is not in the bible. He sees abortion as ‘familes right to self-determination’.

An old Baptist lay minister colleague of mine once supported abortion only because the Catholic Church opposed it But his Church did eventually come down in favour of anti-abortion. I do not know if that was a local or global adjustment. But he, to my complete surprise, eventually bacame very anti-abortion.

 

[ralphinal]

While many chide the United Methodist Church for its abortion stance, they often fail to read the text of the official statement:

There aren’t many situations where the UMC affirms abortion; physical life of the mother in danger, and severe fetal anomalies incompatible with life is about it.

That’s a pretty strong stance.

Why not be a little more clear with it, so as to end confusion. Why not say we oppose all abortion with the exception of cases where the mother’s life is in danger or severe fetal anomalies incompatable with life? Even though that seems to be the stance, would that language seem too harsh?

 

[estesbob]

Why not be a little more clear with it, so as to end confusion. Why not say we oppose all abortion with the exception of cases where the mother’s life is in danger or severe fetal anomalies incompatable with life? Even though that seems to be the stance, would that language seem too harsh?

Because they don’t. Their "abortion should not be used for birth control) leaves a loophole a mile wide’. For instance a couple could abort a child because testing shows it has a cleft lip, webbed feet or any other number of minor abnormalities that can easily be corrected by surgery. Or a couple can say they wanted children when the child was conceived but now have decided they dont. Or, as is a common excuse in Kansas for later term abortions, a woman can claim she doesn’t want to go through the mental stress and/or the pain of pregnancy and childbirth.

 

[jay29]

Why not be a little more clear with it, so as to end confusion. Why not say we oppose all abortion with the exception of cases where the mother’s life is in danger or severe fetal anomalies incompatable with life? Even though that seems to be the stance, would that language seem too harsh?

So you believe in murder in only certain cases?

What’s the difference between shooting a mentally handicapped person in the face and killing him and aborting a horribly disfigured baby? There is no difference in the eyes of God.

 

[Lapell]

I wonder how many Catholic women sitting in the pews today actually believe that they are pro-life even though many here would say they are not since they use birth control pills or have an IUD. I would love to know the percentage of Catholic women using birth control not approved by the Catholic Church. Would you label all these Catholic women that use such methods of birth control as pro-choice and non-Catholics ? How often is the CC’s teaching on the subject of birth control discussed at Mass ?

God Bless!

Oh! and don’t forget please the Catholic women who already used birth control pills and/or had an abortion or more and have change their opinion since and have become pro-life… for instance, those in the Silent No More movement. They’re pro-Life now! Would you want to label these too? Please be careful…

 

[ralphinal]

So you believe in murder in only certain cases?

What’s the difference between shooting a mentally handicapped person in the face and killing him and aborting a horribly disfigured baby? There is no difference in the eyes of God.

Please donot confuse my question with my personal stance on Abortion, which matches the Catholic Church’s. My question was for the Methodists in the house, like O.S., who can explain why this statement was issued instead of a more limited one.

 

[brother_dan_mac]

This site lists pro-abortion denominations:

American Baptist Churches-USA
American Ethical Union,
American Friends (Quaker) Service Committee,
American Jewish Committee,
American Jewish Congress,
Central Conference of American Rabbis,
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ),
Council of Jewish Federations,
Episcopal Church (USA),
Federation of Reconstructionist Congregations and Havurot, Moravian Church in America-Northern Province,
Na’Amat USA,
National Council of Jewish Women,
Presbyterian Church (USA),
Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice,
Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Union of American Hebrew Congregations,
Unitarian Universalist Association,
United Church of Christ,
United Methodist Church,
United Synagogue for Conservative Judaism.

religioustolerance.org/abo_hist1.htm

These cannot be true denoms, if they are “pro-choice”! Imust say, some really surprise me!:bigyikes:
And, hello, Laura!

 

[O.S.Luke]

Please donot confuse my question with my personal stance on Abortion, which matches the Catholic Church’s. My question was for the Methodists in the house, like O.S., who can explain why this statement was issued instead of a more limited one.

Because it came from church professionals instead of people in the trenches, I suspect.

I’m pro-life, as are most Methodists, practically speaking. And more recently, UMC’s have been very supportive of crisis pregnancy centers. There are of course, exceptions, as there always is in any faith tradition.

 

[c659smith]

Because it came from church professionals instead of people in the trenches, I suspect.

I’m pro-life, as are most Methodists, practically speaking. And more recently, UMC’s have been very supportive of crisis pregnancy centers. There are of course, exceptions, as there always is in any faith tradition.

what are some of the exceptions besides the physical true life threat to the Mother or a unviable pregnancy such as as tubal pregnancy?

 

[O.S.Luke]

I meant exceptions in what some believe, such as Methodists who believe in demand abortion and Catholics who believe in birth control.

 

[c659smith]

I meant exceptions in what some believe, such as Methodists who believe in demand abortion and Catholics who believe in birth control.

While I agree artificial birth control is not compatible to Catholic teaching as to not being open to the creation of life

Abortion without the mother’s life truly in jeopardy or the baby absolutely not being viable such as in tubal pregnancies is the murder of an innocent human life already created.

The scales are so far opposite of eachother that artificial birth control and abortion are far removed from eachother when it comes to severity and the evilness of such sins.

 

[ralphinal]

To me, the issue is simple. People can rationalize any sin they want into either a virtue or at least a neutral act, no different than walking the dog or doing the laundry. This is where the churches of the world neeed to teach why some things are sinful and hold the line on them. O.S. pointed out that most Methodists are pro-life, adn I have no reason to doubt that. Why, then, did the Methodist stament not close more gaps? Perhaps they did not want to alienate anyone. Perhaps they thought the statement was clear enough.

People will write their own rules if the written ones are not clear or do not fit their needs. By not making them iron clad, it opens the door for trouble.

The issue of Catholics and birth control was brought up. No one said that it is the same, they were pointing out that there are Catholics who do not follow the Church’s teaching on that just like there are Methodists who have abortions. There are Catholics who have abortions, too, and the Church is very clear that that is a sin.

 

[c659smith]

To me, the issue is simple. People can rationalize any sin they want into either a virtue or at least a neutral act, no different than walking the dog or doing the laundry. This is where the churches of the world neeed to teach why some things are sinful and hold the line on them. O.S. pointed out that most Methodists are pro-life, adn I have no reason to doubt that. Why, then, did the Methodist stament not close more gaps? Perhaps they did not want to alienate anyone. Perhaps they thought the statement was clear enough.

People will write their own rules if the written ones are not clear or do not fit their needs. By not making them iron clad, it opens the door for trouble.

I totally agree that to call oneself Christian in any sense of the word that iron clad statements must come out aganist abortion anything other is totally and completely not compatible with being a Christian. Abortion is intrinsically evil. The purposefully desruction of an innocent life. This ranks up there with many of the crimes Hitler aganist the Jews.

There are times when for instance when not being open to human life ( artificial contraception ) may be necessary for instance a sexual active severly retarded adult absolutely unable to understand or take care of a child that refuses to refrain from such sexual activity. The only remaining choice here is to go back to institutionalization of such adults.

A person on illegal drugs such as a heroin addict. This would be an act of concious. To be open at time to life would be detrimental to the life that would have been created and could in itself create and destroy life all in one swoop.

Once life is created abortion should not be an alternative.

 

[c659smith]

To me, the issue is simple. People can rationalize any sin they want into either a virtue or at least a neutral act, no different than walking the dog or doing the laundry. This is where the churches of the world neeed to teach why some things are sinful and hold the line on them. O.S. pointed out that most Methodists are pro-life, adn I have no reason to doubt that. Why, then, did the Methodist stament not close more gaps? Perhaps they did not want to alienate anyone. Perhaps they thought the statement was clear enough.

People will write their own rules if the written ones are not clear or do not fit their needs. By not making them iron clad, it opens the door for trouble.

The issue of Catholics and birth control was brought up. No one said that it is the same, they were pointing out that there are Catholics who do not follow the Church’s teaching on that just like there are Methodists who have abortions. There are Catholics who have abortions, too, and the Church is very clear that that is a sin.

but we do not rank lying in the same sentence as murder to do so confuses the issue and the severity of the sin.

 

[ralphinal]

but we do not rank lying in the same sentence as murder to do so confuses the issue and the severity of the sin.

I understand and agree. O.S. was pointing out that there are always people in a church who do not agree with the Church’s teaching. Personally, I would have said that there are aslo Catholics who think that aboriton is acceptable. It is a sad state of affairs, but it is true.

If Christians in America stopped having abortions, the industry would die.

 

[HannahLisa]

As far as I know, most evangelical churches are strongly pro-life. The church I have been attending definitely is.

The father of Sarah Weddington, the lawyer who won Roe. v. Wade, was a Methodist pastor. From reading her autobiography, it appears that various Methodist churches supported her. I found this very disturbing.

 

[c659smith]

As far as I know, most evangelical churches are strongly pro-life. The church I have been attending definitely is.

The father of Sarah Weddington, the lawyer who won Roe. v. Wade, was a Methodist pastor. From reading her autobiography, it appears that various Methodist churches supported her. I found this very disturbing.

The statement that should be coming is not strongly pro-life. You are either pro-life or not.

I have not heard such a statement from Evangelicans.

“WE ARE PRO-LIFE” on all life issues.