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John 14:6 Jesus said: I am the Way; I am Truth and Life. No one can come to the Father except through me.
 
It’s ok to pray together (as long as it’s not liturgical). What’s not OK is when Christians (esp Catholics) feel that we should not be engaged in conversations to convert Muslims to Christianity

The reason I don’t like these services is because it sends an unintended message that all religions are equal, not that we are all praying together.
 
Some of the saints share their thoughts on Islam:

“Whoever does not embrace the Catholic Christian faith is lost, like your false prophet Muhammad.”

-St. Peter Mavimenus

“There is also the superstition of the Ishmaelites which to this day prevails and keeps people in error, being a forerunner of the Antichrist…. From that time to the present a false prophet named Mohammed has appeared in their midst. This man, after having chanced upon the Old and New Testaments and likewise, it seems, having conversed with an Arian monk, devised his own heresy. Then, having insinuated himself into the good graces of the people by a show of seeming piety, he gave out that a certain book had been sent down to him from heaven. He had set down some ridiculous compositions in this book of his and he gave it to them as an object of veneration.”

-St. John Damascene

“We profess Christ to be truly God and your prophet to be a precursor of the Antichrist and other profane doctrine.”

-Sts. Habenitus, Jeremiah, Peter, Sabinian, Walabonsus, and Wistremundus (d. 851), martyrs of Cordoba, Spain.

“Any cult which denies the divinity of Christ, does not profess the existence of the Holy Trinity, refutes baptism, defames Christians, and derogates the priesthood, we consider to be damned.”

-Sts. Aurelius, Felix, George, Liliosa, and Natalia (d. 852), martyrs of Cordoba, Spain.

“On the other hand, those who founded sects committed to erroneous doctrines proceeded in a way that is opposite to this, the point is clear in the case of Muhammad. He seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh goads us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected, he was obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that he taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest falsity. He did not bring forth any signs produced in a supernatural way, which alone fittingly gives witness to divine inspiration; for a visible action that can be only divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth. On the contrary, Muhammad said that he was sent in the power of his arms—which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants.”

-St. Thomas Aquinas
 
Maximilian75 said:
Who said it’s not ok to convert Muslims?
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No one specifically, but there are Christians who think since Muslims profess to worship the One, True God and that they profess to follow Abraham, that it’s not necessary to evangelize them. These same people feel it’s not necessary to evangelize the Jews too.
 
phil19034 said:
that it’s not necessary to evangelize them. These same people feel it’s not necessary to evangelize the Jews too.
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Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.

Mt 28:19-20
 
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The job of conversion is that of the Holy Spirit. Our job is to “let your light so shine before all men that they see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven”.
 
ohh ok I see where you’re coming from… the sentiment of some Mainline Protestants and liberal Catholics, I would say.
 
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We can spend an evening with another person just getting to know them and their beliefs, without necessarily having to be working on “evangelizing” them every minute.
 
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It’s worth pointing out that in Northeast Ohio, where I am from, women walking down the street in a hijab will sometimes get abuse from passersby as well. Not just limited to the South. More like, limited to ignorant bigots everywhere.
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I will not condone people who do such things. But I think it’s also important to recognize where this comes from.

I don’t think it has anything to do with terrorism.

Women who where the hijab in the United States (whether they intend to or not) are publicly supporting Sharia law. A large number of American Muslims (if not a majority) would love for Sharia law (or at least some form of it) to exist in the United States.

So I believe that’s where the hostility come from. But again, I do not condone such behavior, but I feel it’s important to understand it’s source.

God Bless
 
phil19034 said:
Women who where the hijab in the United States (whether they intend to or not) are publicly supporting Sharia law. A large number of American Muslims (if not a majority) would love for Sharia law (or at least some form of it) to exist in the United States.
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Could you provide us with your statistical sources for these claims?
 
How did they come up with “thousands support” jihad when the first line of that article says they polled “600” Muslims and that a “significant minority” - in other words, less than 600 and probably less than 300 - support jihad?

Go home, Center for Security Policy, you’re drunk.
 
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phil19034:
Women who where the hijab in the United States (whether they intend to or not) are publicly supporting Sharia law.
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Yeah, right, a 15-year-old girl walking home from high school in her hijab is advocating Sharia law.
Give me a break.
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Please re-read what I said. I said whether it is intended or not.

We teach our kids to not read a book by it’s cover. However, in the real world, most people still do that.

If a 15 year old girl was wearing a large crucifix, a large Miraculous Medal or even a Mother Therese sweatshirt, might an abortion supporter or anti-Catholic look at the girl and think she promoting Catholic teaching on everyone?

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Sure, they would, even if that was not the Catholic girl’s intention.

Devout, practicing Muslims want Sharia law to govern the land just as much (if not more) as devout Catholic would love to see Catholic Social teaching govern the land.

A devout member of a religion typically will pray for and want the whole world to be a member of their religion, and they follow their religion to the letter.

Just as very devout Catholic women do not use birth control, pray the Rosary at home, and go to Mass every Sunday & Holy Day (if not every single day); devout Muslim women cover their hair in public and support Sharia law.

After all, how many devout Catholics are you going to meet who will say they do not support Canon Law, Catholic Social Teaching, nor the Catechism?

God Bless.
 
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Also to tell people intellectually so that they know of Christ.
Missionary work has long been a part of Christian faith. Look at all that St Paul did!
 
Which Sharia Law? Whose interpretation? You do know that Sharia Law isn’t a monolith right? There isn’t some codex or tablets somewhere that have it all spelled out. It’s not like the Catechism or the Code of Canon Law. There are hundreds of Sharia Laws, I’d say thousands even. Every region, imam, jurist, etc. can expound their own interpretation.
 
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