Poem of the Man God.

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The Poem of the Man-God is in actuality fully Church-approved. For complete details, check out this free research document, which can be downloaded here:

Poem of the Man-God Research Document (PDF)

The trailer for it is here:

Poem of the Man-God Research Document Trailer

I wrote this e-book about Maria Valtorta and the Poem of the Man-God which www.mariavaltortawebring.com has hosted on their home page for download and Douay-Rheims Bible Online (which has 70,000 visitors a year) has also hosted on their website.

This e-book is a comprehensive and well-researched guide to everything a Catholic needs to know about Maria Valtorta’s writing: its importance, its history, its ecclesiastical status, how it compares to other revelations, the 14 proofs of its divine origin, and its critics and defenses.

This free e-book is the result of hundreds of hours of research over 6 months, utilizing a tremendous number of Internet and printed sources. To give you a taste of its level of depth and scholarship: it has 902 references/endnotes.

Some chapters in this e-book:

“The Position of the Popes, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (the Holy Office), and the Vatican Newspaper on the Poem of the Man-God”

“Timeline of Major Events of the Poem of the Man-God’s Ecclesiastical Approval”

“Analyzing Some Critic’s Arguments that it Encourages Sensationalism or Appeals Too Much to the Sensitivity”

“Analyzing Quotes That Might Seem Wrong Taken Out of Context”

“The Most Notable Critics and Critical Articles Against the Poem of the Man-God and Answers to Those Articles (Refutations)”

Some things you may have not been aware of:

Blessed Gabriel Allegra, O.F.M. was beatified by Pope Benedict XVI on September 29, 2012 and Blessed Gabriel Allegra was an outspoken and avid long-time supporter of Maria Valtorta and spent the latter years of his life studying, promoting, and defending the Poem of the Man-God (Maria Valtorta’s major work). You can read his testimony online here:

Blessed Gabriel Allegra’s Critiques, Notes, and Letters on Maria Valtorta’s The Poem of the Man-God

Notable actions of the Popes regarding the Poem of the Man-God include:

A high-ranking prelate personally handed Pope Pius XII a 12-volume typewritten copy of the Poem of the Man-God in 1947. After these volumes were evaluated by the Pope for a year, he granted a special audience with the three Servites of Mary in charge of this work. At this audience, as Bishop of Rome and the Vicar of Christ, Pope Pius XII gave the Poem of the Man-God an official imprimatur and commanded them to publish it “just as it is”. Cardinal Edouard Gagnon, writing to the Maria Valtorta Research Center from the Vatican on October 31, 1987, referred to Pope Pius XII’s action as: “The kind of official imprimatur granted before witnesses by the Holy Father in 1948, an Official Imprimatur of the Supreme Authority of the Church”

Pope Paul VI showed obvious signs of favor towards the Poem by sending a letter of congratulations and blessing to world-renowned Mariologist, Fr. Gabriel Roschini, for his book The Virgin Mary in the Writings of Maria Valtorta. Furthermore, Archbishop Pasquale Macchi, Private Secretary of Pope Paul VI, said to Fr. Corrado M. Berti, O.S.M., in an hour long interview in 1963: “When His Holiness (Paul VI) was Archbishop of Milan, he read one of the books of The Poem of the Man-God. He told me how he appreciated it, and had me send the complete work to the library of the diocesan seminary.”

Pope John Paul II approved the decree of a miracle and the beatification of a world-renowned theologian who was an outspoken and avid long-time supporter of Maria Valtorta and who spent the latter years of his life studying, promoting, and defending the Poem of the Man-God: Blessed Gabriel M. Allegra, O.F.M. Furthermore, according to Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz, the secretary of Pope John Paul II, the Pope was a reader of Maria Valtorta. The cardinal testifies to having often seen one of the volumes of The Gospel as Revealed to Me [a.k.a. *The Poem of the Man-God] on the Pope’s bedside table.

Only the first edition was put on the Index of Forbidden Books the same day as St. Faustina’s writings were. Fr. Marco Giraudo, O.P., Commissioner of the Holy Office, later approved the publication of the 2nd edition of the Poem of the Man-God in 1961, stating to Fr. Berti: “We have no objection to your publishing this 2nd edition. We will see how the work is welcomed.”

Believe it or not, her revelations have been proven by multiple areas of science to be 99.6% historically accurate as is shown in the e-book.

After the Holy Bible and the most sacred perennial books of the Catholic Faith (the Summa Theologica, etc.), there is perhaps no greater book that exists in the world today than the Poem of the Man-God, and I think it is truly impossible for any person of good will to not only highly benefit from reading it; but I would go so far as to say that any person of good will who reads it will almost certainly have his life changed profoundly in some way.
 
Hear hear! I have no doubt the Poem is authentic. (No, I can’t prove it.)The fact that Conte condemns it is a good sign. Fr Pakwa (good priest!) vs St Pio? What’s to decide? I wonder how many of the condemners have read more than a few pages of it. We are all free to decide these things for ourselves.
 
kebec1 said:
We are all free to decide these things for ourselves.
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:confused: If you mean whether it is a good novel, then yes. If you mean if it is factual, absolutely not. The Church approves all apparitions and decides their authenticity after thorough investigation.
 
Absolutely yes. The church often takes decades to decide, and often never does. In the meanwhile, we decide for ourselves. Otherwise, real apparitions would be ignored and without effect.
 
It has already been decades. In this case though this work has been condemned by the Catholic Church. It was on the List of Forbidden Books, before this was dissolved. At the time the List was dissolved Cardinal Ratzinger stated that the moral force remained for those books. This was said by the person who is now the Holy Father specifically in relation to Poem of the Man God.
After the dissolution of the Index, when some people thought the printing and distribution of the work was permitted, people were reminded again in ‘LOsservatore Romano’ (June 15, 1966) that, as was published in the ‘Acta Apostolicae Sedis’ (1966), the Index retains its moral force despite its dissolution. A decision against distributing and recommending a work, which has not beeen condemned lightly, may be reversed, but only after profound changes that neutralize the harm which such a publication could bring forth among the ordinary faithful."
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ewtn.com/expert/answers/poem_of_the_man.htm

The last official act of the Churchwas to request a preface be added to indicate that it is a work of fiction. This alleged apparition is not just pending approval. It has been examined and conemned. Could this be reversed? It is possible. Nothing so far would preclude in be recognize later. As of today, is viewed by the Church as a dangerous work. So Catholics do not have to decide for themselves. They can simply accept what the Church has said and seek spirituality in proven and approved ways which are already myriad.

We have four gospels on the life of Christ. We will be adding any.

But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! Galations 1:8
 
I’ve read a lot of it and haven’t come across anything dangerous in the least. I’m also reading St Faustina’s Diary, which was only removed from the index after Vatican 2. If I had been reading that in the 50s, and found it orthodox, I would have been proven right.
I get your position, you get mine. Signing out.
 
kebec1 said:
If I had been reading that in the 50s, and found it orthodox, I would have been proven right.
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You would have been right in your opinion, wrong in obedience. The list was still in authority and carried moral weight. Likewise, if this work is ever approved and Maria Valtorta canonized, then at that time, it would be acceptable to read.
 
Not really. The index was abolished. We are merely “encouraged to avoid” certain works. No sin incurred.
 
kebec1 said:
Not really. The index was abolished. We are merely “encouraged to avoid” certain works. No sin incurred.
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??? You likened to reading this stuff to reading the Diaries of Sr. Faustina in the 50’s, when the list was in effect. As to reading the Poem today, I only quoted what Cardinal Ratzinger said about the moral weight of the list remains. Neither he nor I said anything about sin.
 
kebec1 said:
(I can see you live by your quote from Berry.)
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Yes I do. That is why I stick to the facts, as best I can. Sometimes I am mistaken about the facts. When I shift to opinion, I try to specify this as such. In this case, I went to EWTN where I found the explanation of then Cardinal Ratnzinger about the relationship between the Poem and the list of forbidden books that was abolished. Today, one is no longer guilty of disobedience by reading this work. The moral weight is something that may or may not determine if there is sin, like watching a morally questionable movie.
 
From the article quoted in Verbum Caro’s post #6:

“Although this book is interesting to read and has a certain poetic beauty to it, Cardinal Ratzinger referred to it as ‘a lump of theological absurdities.’”"

A ‘lump of theological absurdities’ is a fine turn of phrase, and a clear warning not to confuse sentimental fiction with theological reality.
 
I’m afraid you’ve missed the meaning of your quote… Good to know lack of obedience (your word) is not a sin… You get the last word. That makes you “the winner”!
 
kebec1 said:
I’m afraid you’ve missed the meaning of your quote… Good to know lack of obedience (your word) is not a sin… You get the last word. That makes you “the winner”!
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I didn’t say it was and there is no game I am playing.
 
My father in law is a big reader of Poem of the Man-God, and so I feel obligated to investigate its claims as revelation. As Pope Benedict stated, that much is off the table: “The ‘visions’ and ‘dictations’ referred to in the work, “The Poem of the Man-God,” are simply the literary forms used by the author to narrate in her own way the life of Jesus. They cannot be considered supernatural in origin.”

Poem I-17 is a good example of the heterodoxy of the work: Eve’s original sin is imagined in sexual terms.
valtorta.org/BookText/E01_11-20.htm

I found this article valuable:
jloughnan.tripod.com/valtmies.htm

“What Valtorta knows about first century Palestine and Jerusalem seems to come from maps and study aids commonly bound in Bibles. Her visuals recall soft, gilt-touched Italian holy cards and her metaphors are monotonously limited to flowers and jewels, with the occasional animal reference. She is amazingly ignorant of local conditions and Jewish customs. Her houses resemble Italian farmhouses with fireplaces, porches, and kitchen gardens. The rich enjoy jasmine pergolas and hedged gardens closed with iron gates. The countryside holds apple orchards (which are always in bloom whatever the season), fields of rye, stands of cactus and agave. People frequently eat apples and drink fresh milk, even honey-water, but wine is scarcely seen. The screwdriver and the iron horseshoe are in use. But none of the above was known in ancient Palestine.”

Cheers,
Bruce
 
murraba said:
Poem I-17 is a good example of the heterodoxy of the work: Eve’s original sin is imagined in sexual terms.
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Saint Bridget of Sweden wrote nearly 1,000 pages of Private Revelations that attained full Church Approval, which also says that original sin was of sexual origin and the apple metaphor was used in its place.
murraba said:
"What Valtorta knows about first century Palestine and Jerusalem seems to come from maps and study aids commonly bound in Bibles
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She names 9 towns and villages that were only archeologically discovered after her death in 1961.

saveourchurch.org/descriptionspoem.pdf

Her writings were given to a Harvard educated Theoretical Physicist for examination. He found two days in which she described the night sky two thousand years ago, he used an astronomical computer to check, and her star alignments were correct. These were also rare occurrences that didn’t occur for many years before and after those days.

engineering.purdue.edu/~zak/Van_Zandt.pdf
murraba said:
The screwdriver and the iron horseshoe are in use. But none of the above was known in ancient Palestine."
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The Encyclopedia Britannica credits Archytas of Tarentum as the inventor of the screw years before the birth of Christ. A 2,100 year old mechanical computing device (Antikythera Mechanism), was recovered from a Roman shipwreck that had very complex mechanical parts. Erich Von Daniken wrote a book based on it (Chariots to the Gods), mistakenly believing that it was left by Ancient Astronauts. In 2004, a team including British, Greek and U.S. scientists used specially developed X-ray scanning and imaging technology to analyze the corroded bronze, revealing hidden machinery including fine bronze gears, screws and springs.

Maria Valtorta did not say iron, she said bronze, and ancient bronze horseshoes were discovered that dated as far back as 400 BC, that’s 400 years before Jesus was born:

penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Journals/AJA/6/4/Etruscan_Horseshoes*.html
 
cavanlass said:
youtube.com/watch?v=AS9gU1AczVk

Excellent, short, and answers our questions.
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The video only presents a glowing promotion. What it doesn’t present is proof. The quote that is supposedly from the Pope is unsubstantiated. It only was reported by disobedient priest who had an agenda. The Pope never supported this fiction in anyway that can be documented. None of which is in the video. The video does not substantiate any of its claims.
 
It is with much sadness that I see so much unbelief expressed in this thread!

In answer to the person who originally started this thread: Go straight to the source: If you ask Jesus from the Heart what He wants you to beleive in regard to the Poem of the Man-God. He is faithful and WILL answer you. Open your heart, SEEK & WATCH for His answer. If you ask through the intercession of His Mother, much grace will be experienced.

I am very sorry that such authoritive individuals such as Fr Mitch Pacwa and others in the EWTN circle would express opinions from their “knowledge” without (as it appears) submitting the question to Our Lord Jesus Himself. They themselves would find a pleasant surprise if they did so. (I have heard a talk show host via EWTN advise against this work, (I think it was Colin Donavin,but this needs verification)) .

This is a Spiritual work, and as such will only be discerned spiritually. Fr Mitch, and the others have much good knowledge to share. However, these hosts have a grave responsibility to submit ALL of their opinions to God for the sake of the sheep they shepherd. The temptation to speak only out of human knowledge can easily occur in talk shows, and it can be an affront to spiritual things “That which is born of the flesh, is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit, is spirit.” Jn3:6 also: “Because the wisdom of the flesh is an enemy to God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither can it be.” Rom 8:7. Even well intentioned apologists can fall into this trap, and it is only avoided through constant humility and submission to God through prayer regarding EVERYTHING that is spoken of!!!
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Here is a work of someone who approached this subject with a open heart to Jesus' Truth in this matter.  This is an exhaustive Encyclopedia that is the result of a THOROUGH research project done by Stephen Austin, a young  Catholic who is a civil engineer by profession.  The work is scholarly, yet very readable,  with exhaustive references to valid sources.  He originally set out on this research to disprove the POEM of the MAN-GOD but in the process experienced much grace of conversion.  Here's a link to a PDF of his work.  It is a big file, so be patient while it loads.
valtorta.org.au/Defence/Maria%20Valtorta%20Summa%20%26%20Encyclopedia.pdf

Here’s a link to a video interview of Stephen Austin on the Spirit of Life series:

youtube.com/watch?v=EDmyVciCPn4

God bless you
 
Beaverspokane, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I have read a couple of the volumes, all the while being exceedingly careful with the information given, and find nothing but goodness and hope. Valtorta’s descriptions fill out the flesh of Jesus and the others, and makes Him more real and approachable to me. How could anyone NOT love Jesus more after reading this?
 
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