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I am not trying to make excuses if that is how it came across, I am sorry.

But I cannot suggest anyone from leaving the faith because of the sex abuses in the church. E-bob has it tright…read about the Saints, there is such a richness in the Faith that NO MAN will ever take it away from me a Gift that was freely given and that is much cherished. I am also a sexual abuse victim (not a priest)…but with the sacraments and spiritual direction, I was able to rise over it. I have been married for 34 years…because I know that not all men are perverted. Thank God!

The Catholic Church is zeroed in because the world HATES the Catholic Church. You do not see headlines about Methodist, Episcopalian or evangelical churches being brought to the fore front on sexual abuses…and yet they exist…more than within ours.

I believe that our wonderful Pope will take care of this…and he has already begun to deal with it. I trust in his discernement to correct the situation with all the clerics involved.

Debra, I am far from being dangerous…😉
 
The mainstream media has all but ignored the recent Associated Press report that the three major insurance companies for Protestant Churches in America say they typically receive 260 reports each year of minors being sexually abused by Protestant clergy, staff, or other church-related relationships.
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**Sex-Abuse of Minors Higher in Protestant Churches **

(Chicago Sun Times): The three companies that insure the majority of Protestant churches in America say they typically receive upward of 260 reports each year of young people under 18 being sexually abused by clergy, church staff, volunteers or congregation members.

The figures offer a glimpse into what has long been an extremely difficult phenomenon to pin down – the frequency of sex abuse in Protestant congregations.

Religious groups and victims’ supporters have been interested in the figure ever since the Roman Catholic sex abuse crisis hit five years ago. The church has revealed that there have been 13,000 credible accusations against Catholic clerics since 1950 – 228 a year…
catholicknight.blogspot.com/2007/06/sex-abuse-of-minors-higher-in.html
 
So…in all of this…why is the Catholic church only the one that is broadcasted?:rolleyes:
 
Shoshana said:
I am not trying to make excuses if that is how it came across, I am sorry.
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I am still trying to figure out what kind of “attitude” you were supposed to have. All you did was temper the hype with reality.
 
Just a statement of the obvious here but, here goes. It seems to me if you understand the basics of the Christian faith, and in particular, the Catholic Faith, which I am trusting in as the one true church, then you will acknowledge the enemy, from the moment of creation on. The fallen angel Lucifer and all who fell with him.

His number one thing in the world is to try to thwart God’s plan by tempting, confusing, and deceiving humans. And tempting an average guy like me, probably is a small victory. But tempting a senator or congressman might be a bigger victory. And tempting a rabbi or pentacostal minister or baptist preacher must be a big victory. But I believe one of the biggest of all victories for the dark side, is the temptation and downfall of an ordained priest of the Roman Catholic church. Especially if you believe as the church does that we have a direct line from the apostles.

So I guess, in short, we should be praying for those who are going to face such temptation. I also have a nagging fear that many priests in the last 40 years have underestimated (or haven’t been taught) how serious the enemy is.

I hope I don’t sound overboard on this. I’ve seen more than enough to believe all of the above. :highprayer: :highprayer:
 
max37 said:
Just a statement of the obvious here but, here goes. It seems to me if you understand the basics of the Christian faith, and in particular, the Catholic Faith, which I am trusting in as the one true church, then you will acknowledge the enemy, from the moment of creation on. The fallen angel Lucifer and all who fell with him.

His number one thing in the world is to try to thwart God’s plan by tempting, confusing, and deceiving humans. And tempting an average guy like me, probably is a small victory. But tempting a senator or congressman might be a bigger victory. And tempting a rabbi or pentacostal minister or baptist preacher must be a big victory. But I believe one of the biggest of all victories for the dark side, is the temptation and downfall of an ordained priest of the Roman Catholic church. Especially if you believe as the church does that we have a direct line from the apostles.

So I guess, in short, we should be praying for those who are going to face such temptation. I also have a nagging fear that many priests in the last 40 years have underestimated (or haven’t been taught) how serious the enemy is.

I hope I don’t sound overboard on this. I’ve seen more than enough to believe all of the above. :highprayer: :highprayer:
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I agree. Maybe y’all can help me with the Perpetual Prayer for Priests???😃

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=263526
 
estesbob said:
If we could not separate our faith from the sins of the fallible men who llead the church Christianity would’ve been stillborn. Peter denied Christ three times.Two the apostles tried to make a deal with Jesus had a higher standing in heaven…Judas betrayed him , Thomas doubted him ,Paul stood by and held the cloaks of those stoning Stephen to death

I would suggest you get yourself a book about the Saints. For every priest involved in the homosexual priest scandal there are 1,000s like Edith Stein, Maximilian Kolbe , Augustine, Aquinas, John Viani, Isaac jJogues, St. Teresa, etc. etc. etc.

I am not about to let these vile men run me away from the one true church.
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Excellent post. If there were was a traitor among the 12 carefully handpicked by the Lord himself, how can we not expect that some in Church authority might yield to base instincts?

I hear reporters make such comments as “if such-and-such happened in my church I would leave”, but how can one leave who truly understands how much greater Christ’s body is than it’s individual fallible members?
 
Shoshana said:
So…in all of this…why is the Catholic church only the one that is broadcasted?:rolleyes:
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We have to remember that the biggest part of the problem Catholic Church was a cover up by the bishops. But the Bishop problem is slowly but surely being resolved. We are seeing a new crop of bishops, like Archbishop Chaput, and many like him. They will not put up with this.period.

And not all bishops were guilty. Some 20 years ago in the Houston diocese I was in a new parish where suddenly the police showed up a rectory and arrested the assistant pastor. It seems that Bishop Fiorenza had received credible evidence that something was going on and he called the police. Would all of the bishops have reacted that way
 
seekerz said:
Excellent post. If there were was a traitor among the 12 carefully handpicked by the Lord himself, how can we not expect that some in Church authority might yield to base instincts?

I hear reporters make such comments as “if such-and-such happened in my church I would leave”, but how can one leave who truly understands how much greater Christ’s body is than it’s individual fallible members?
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Which is exactly how the evil one works. He manages to corrupt a small percentage the priests who commit grievous sins . He then sits back and watches thousands of good people leave the the Church over their disgust over this very small minority of priests Meanwhile the enemies of the church, the secu;ar humanist who want to push an agenda of abortion on demand, , homosexuality, cohabitation, etc point to these priests whenever the church tries to take a moral stand on these issues. It’s a win-win situation for Satan That is why we must stay with the church and must persevere to put the scandal behind us. We will be stronger for in the and.
 
Shoshana said:
I am not trying to make excuses if that is how it came across, I am sorry.

But I cannot suggest anyone from leaving the faith because of the sex abuses in the church. E-bob has it tright…read about the Saints, there is such a richness in the Faith that NO MAN will ever take it away from me a Gift that was freely given and that is much cherished. I am also a sexual abuse victim (not a priest)…but with the sacraments and spiritual direction, I was able to rise over it. I have been married for 34 years…because I know that not all men are perverted. Thank God!

The Catholic Church is zeroed in because the world HATES the Catholic Church. You do not see headlines about Methodist, Episcopalian or evangelical churches being brought to the fore front on sexual abuses…and yet they exist…more than within ours.

I believe that our wonderful Pope will take care of this…and he has already begun to deal with it. I trust in his discernement to correct the situation with all the clerics involved.

Debra, I am far from being dangerous…😉
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no, shoshana, i am definitely not saying YOU as a person are dangerous. i am saying that way of thinking is dangerous.

thank you for the statistics. that is very interesting. i need information like this to use when i am confronted by someone who wants to point the finger only as the RCC. i agree, we must ask why the media ignores the reports in the protestant denominations and the RCC is put in the headlines.
it still saddens me though that this has happened and i would be dishonest if i said it didn’t.
 
max37 said:
Just a statement of the obvious here but, here goes. It seems to me if you understand the basics of the Christian faith, and in particular, the Catholic Faith, which I am trusting in as the one true church, then you will acknowledge the enemy, from the moment of creation on. The fallen angel Lucifer and all who fell with him.

His number one thing in the world is to try to thwart God’s plan by tempting, confusing, and deceiving humans. And tempting an average guy like me, probably is a small victory. But tempting a senator or congressman might be a bigger victory. And tempting a rabbi or pentacostal minister or baptist preacher must be a big victory. But I believe one of the biggest of all victories for the dark side, is the temptation and downfall of an ordained priest of the Roman Catholic church. Especially if you believe as the church does that we have a direct line from the apostles.

So I guess, in short, we should be praying for those who are going to face such temptation. I also have a nagging fear that many priests in the last 40 years have underestimated (or haven’t been taught) how serious the enemy is.

I hope I don’t sound overboard on this. I’ve seen more than enough to believe all of the above. :highprayer: :highprayer:
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you make a good point max. there is a dark side and it would be a victory to bring down anyone in the RCC. however, i feel some of these men were
“sick” before they entered the priesthood. i might be wrong. i try not to dwell on it to much, because it almost makes me sick to my stomach. all i can say is that i would not want to wrestle with the demons that these priests wrestle with.
 
pnewton said:
I am still trying to figure out what kind of “attitude” you were supposed to have. All you did was temper the hype with reality.
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i don’t think i mentioned anything about shoshanah having an attitude.

she provided some good information. i just disagreed with her first reply to me, but i did not say she had an attitude.
 
Shoshana said:
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I agree. Maybe y’all can help me with the Perpetual Prayer for Priests???😃

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=263526
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I remember a Fr. John Corapi video where he put it this way : “Everybody messes up, but when a priest messes up it’s worse…because he can take down many of the faithful with him.”

I believe Max 37 makes a strong point in post 39. The enemy can inflict much more damage by a successful attack on the Church from within rather than from the outside.

It is somewhat inordinate that the accusations, allegations and facts of this nature reported in the media almost always seem to point to the Catholic Church and nowhere else. I believe your post # 33 and its links provide a much more “balanced” representation of the problem Shoshana 👍
 
NeedImprovement said:
I remember a Fr. John Corapi video where he put it this way : “Everybody messes up, but when a priest messes up it’s worse…because he can take down many of the faithful with him.”

I believe Max 37 makes a strong point in post 39. The enemy can inflict much more damage by a successful attack on the Church from within rather than from the outside.

It is somewhat inordinate that the accusations, allegations and facts of this nature reported in the media almost always seem to point to the Catholic Church and nowhere else. I believe your post # 33 and its links provide a much more “balanced” representation of the problem Shoshana 👍
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i believe i saw that video of fr. corapi making that statement and he is right on the mark. at least he “gets it”. there was a book that came out last year about the priest sex abuse scandal in the church. i did not read it. maybe someone, should write a book giving a more “balanced” representation.
however, i am a member of the Roman Catholic Church, so not only am i concerned about what has occurred in other churches, but specifically in the RCC. we have to be thankful for the victims that did finally speak out after living with their nightmares, and that the RCC is trying to put safeguards in place to keep out those problematic candidates who want to become priests.
 
cyberwolf001 said:
Not until we stop blaming liberals, gays, birth control, the victims, masons and so on for this.
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It is interesting you make gays, liberals, immorality, those prone to liberal thought and false teaching linked to the victims, are not your tactics a little like twisting the truth? Liberalism of thought and morals is the problem, not the victim. It takes a very liberal mind to think it is OK to perform homosexual rape on the youth, then try to play the victim.

May God help this men find healing from thier abuse thy received from thier liberal sick teachers.
 
If we all want to place blame where it properly belongs, go look in a mirror. Until we all, and I mean all, earnestly start praying for all the clergy, daily, not just one or two individuals in the clergy, but all deacons, priests, and bishops and have the clergy pray for themselves and us also, things cannot get better.

That is our role as Church Militant. Do we fulfill that role or leave it up to others to do so. Think of that when you look in the mirror. I remember as a child when the nuns used to say pray for the pope, in my child like wonder, i would rebel, thinking he is the holy one, he should pray for me. How many do we know that do not pray daily. That is part of the problem. It is an obligation which we all have for one another owed in Catholic Christian charity. This is what the words of Jesus meant when he said, LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS I HAVE LOVED YOU."
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B .
 
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