Polish [National] Catholic Church

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GUYMAN said:
I know I’m quite late to this Thread, but have not been on the Forums for some time. Just wanted to say that I attend many K of C events in my area and admire the organization, but as a member of the PNCC would not try to join. Whether we ever reenter into communion with the Holy See remains to be seen. If anyone has interest in the PNCC (history, beliefs, etc) I am well versed and enjoy discussing such things - feel free to send me a PM or an E-Mail
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Does the PNCC consider “Hearing the Word of God” to be a sacrament? Or do they now consider Baptism and Confirmation listed as separate sacraments, to still add up to 7?

Am I right that it is sometimes listed one way, sometimes the other way? I wonder if it used to be one way, but recently it changed.
 
Medawlinno said:
It was my understanding that the PNCC was in fact “in communion with Rome” - I’m pretty sure a PNC individual is allowed to receive communion in a RC church.
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That doesn’t necessaily mean they are in communion. An indivudual member of an Estern Orthodox Church (ROCOR, for example) may receive communion in a Roman Catholic Mass,* if all the proper criteria are met (cf. CIC, §844.3), but that doesn’t mean he’s in communion with the Roman Catholic Church.
  • This is based on the rules of the Roman Catholic Church, as found in the CIC. AFAIK, the Eastern Orthodox Church(es) doesn’t all allow this for their members.
 
KjetilK said:
That doesn’t necessaily mean they are in communion. An indivudual member of an Estern Orthodox Church (ROCOR, for example) may receive communion in a Roman Catholic Mass,* if all the proper criteria are met (cf. CIC, §844.3), but that doesn’t mean he’s in communion with the Roman Catholic Church.
  • This is based on the rules of the Roman Catholic Church, as found in the CIC. AFAIK, the Eastern Orthodox Church(es) doesn’t all allow this for their members.
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Yep.
 
commenter said:
Does the PNCC consider “Hearing the Word of God” to be a sacrament? Or do they now consider Baptism and Confirmation listed as separate sacraments, to still add up to 7?

Am I right that it is sometimes listed one way, sometimes the other way? I wonder if it used to be one way, but recently it changed.
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The “Word Of God” (holy scripture) is one of our sacraments - “Hearing The Word Of God” is not an additional one. Baptism and Confirmation are one sacrament (the latter one is viewed as “confirming” the first one).
 
GUYMAN said:
The “Word Of God” (holy scripture) is one of our sacraments - “Hearing The Word Of God” is not an additional one. Baptism and Confirmation are one sacrament (the latter one is viewed as “confirming” the first one).
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Yeah… I imagine that would make reunification problematic.
 
GUYMAN said:
Perhaps, I think those are relatively minor issues compared to church governance, the role of the Pope, etc.
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What would be the fundamental differences? And what would be the fundamental agreements. I know I am vague, but just say some interesting stuff then?

Thanks in advance
 
Peter_J said:
I don’t think names will help.
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You are correct.

I remember reading their history and coming to understand what happened, as part of another project I was doing in the academy. It was very sad that these people were so ill treated. I am very glad that relations with them today are as good as they are and I have followed with interest the dialogue across the years.
 
I read the thread and not mentioned is the Polish Mission Churches. This is a group of priests that open Polish churches and schools around the world. This group is in union with Rome O wonder if PNA spun off this organization or if one has nothing to do with the other except that they are Polish. There are several mission churches around chicago, some recently built.
 
Peter_J said:
I don’t think names will help.
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Thanks for that Peter, but I personally don’t take great offense. There was in fact a “schism”, naturally I feel that it was justified (although regrettable) , and I’m sure some very orthodox Roman Catholics feel it was inexcusable. Bottom line is we have so much more in common than we have differences. (Blessed) Pope John Paul very much wanted reconciliation, and we have come a long way in that regard,
 
GUYMAN said:
Thanks for that Peter, but I personally don’t take great offense.
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Well that’s good … assuming that you don’t decide to return the favor and post something calling us “schismatic”. 😉 😃
 
MichaelP3 said:
What would be the fundamental differences? And what would be the fundamental agreements. I know I am vague, but just say some interesting stuff then?

Thanks in advance
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Some fundamental agreements include belief in authority of Scripture and Tradition, as expressed in councils perhaps up to the point prior to Vatican I. The PNCC does accept the office of bishop, with teaching authority. Within the college of bishops, they accept one bishop as having somewhat more authority as their prime bishop.(This is not comparable to a pope, but again, something similar to RCC.)

They have pastors, appointed by the bishop. Pastors have teaching and pastoral authority. (This might seem obvious, but needs to be mentioned, as many Christians in the US do things differently). No Sola Scriptura here. They have dioceses, which many Christians would not have, but RCC does have.

They have sacraments, with belief in the Eucharist comparable to Rome. The other sacraments are also similar, with the possible exception of “the Word of God” as having a sacramental dimension. This is not necessarily incompatible with RCC, but unfamiliar expression.

They don’t support same sex marriage, woman priests, or legal abortion. I believe they use the same canon of the Bible as RCC (correct me if I am wrong).
 
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Some fundamental agreements include belief in authority of Scripture and Tradition, as expressed in councils perhaps up to the point prior to Vatican I. The PNCC does accept the office of bishop, with teaching authority. Within the college of bishops, they accept one bishop as having somewhat more authority as their prime bishop.(This is not comparable to a pope, but again, something similar to RCC.)

They have pastors, appointed by the bishop. Pastors have teaching and pastoral authority. (This might seem obvious, but needs to be mentioned, as many Christians in the US do things differently). No Sola Scriptura here. They have dioceses, which many Christians would not have, but RCC does have.

They have sacraments, with belief in the Eucharist comparable to Rome. The other sacraments are also similar, with the possible exception of “the Word of God” as having a sacramental dimension. This is not necessarily incompatible with RCC, but unfamiliar expression.

They don’t support same sex marriage, woman priests, or legal abortion. I believe they use the same canon of the Bible as RCC (correct me if I am wrong).
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Do they believe that a bishop should be the husband of one wife as commanded in 1 Timothy 3 ?
 
Peter_J said:
I’d say they believe a bishop can be married. I don’t know should.
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They require a priest who is unmarried at time of ordination to wait at least 2 years before marrying, if he chooses to marry. I don’t believe they currently have (celibate) nuns or monks, but theoretically they are not opposed to this on principle. There have been contacts between the PNCC and some celibate male and female religious communities in Europe, who may feel they are not really part of the (liberal?) Old Catholic movement there. There is talk of merging these celibate communities into PNCC.

So celibacy is not unknown in PNCC.
 
commenter said:
They require a priest who is unmarried at time of ordination to wait at least 2 years before marrying, if he chooses to marry. I don’t believe they currently have (celibate) nuns or monks, but theoretically they are not opposed to this on principle. There have been contacts between the PNCC and some celibate male and female religious communities in Europe, who may feel they are not really part of the (liberal?) Old Catholic movement there. There is talk of merging these celibate communities into PNCC.

So celibacy is not unknown in PNCC.
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Thanks Commenter, you are doing a better job of explaining my Church than I am…👍
 
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