Political Correctness

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Political Correctness is exactly what it says it is: Political.

It doesn’t actually denounce bullying, being offensive, or hate. It only cares about manipulation of words for political gain.

I saw a sticker on a door that said, “Jesus wasn’t politically correct either”
 
Zaccheus said:
I once had a brief argument with a friend over something I had said, till I found out he thought ‘politically correct’ meant ‘respectful to women and members of minority groups’.
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That is what it means
 
FiveLinden said:
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Zaccheus:
I once had a brief argument with a friend over something I had said, till I found out he thought ‘politically correct’ meant ‘respectful to women and members of minority groups’.
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That is what it means
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That is what it means to some people To some others it means (and meant to me at the time, twelve or fifteen years ago) hypocrisy, extremism, looking to take offense, vilification of those who disagree.

I’m not claiming that the above is what political correctness really means. I’m pointing out the disagreement exists, and that someone on the other side of the argument is not necessarily bigoted or stupid just because they’re on the other side of the argument.

My argument with my friend was quickly resolved because I thought to ask him to define the term and found out we had misunderstood each other.
 
Rhubarb said:
The humor of Mr. Burns isn’t racial. The humor of Barney Gumble isn’t racial. The humor of the Sea Captain isn’t racial. The humor of Homer isn’t racial. The humor of Apu very much is.
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This is a powerfully valid point.
 
‘Political correctness’ was a Maoist term, taken over by the right wing to attack attempts to persuade people to speak charitably to and of others and to avoid discrimination through speech. Most times when you had the word used you are hearing someone defending racism, hurtful words about disability or sex, or other harmful acts. Almost no one has ever used ‘political correctness’ as a positive term, or urged others to be ‘politically correct’. It is a rightwing shibboleth and it is sad to see so many Catholics, a religion which prides itself on the use of reason being taken in by such a straw man.
 
Political correctness is generally toxic to society for 3 reasons
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  1. It is used as a form of coercion over people in discussion. If I’m talking to somebody in the street, and that person is being irritating, and I lose my temper and strike them, I’m the one that deserves to be charged; i.e. my reaction to speech that I don’t like is my responsibility.
  2. It is ill-defined, so leftism can move its poorly established boundaries at will according to an increasingly narrow acceptable range of opinions. There is a more narrow acceptable range of opinion in the Netherlands, Sweden, even Canada, compared to the United States, and the United States is itself in danger of narrowing those range of opinions under threat of civil penalties, and ultimately penalties to your career and life.
  3. It can lead to mindsets that are anti-scientific (in hard or soft sciences), since there is a more narrow range of acceptable topics. i.e. studies on variations in the psychological, physiological, and specifically neurological processes of men and women. That kind of discussion can be perceived as a threat to the novel value system of the postmodern world that enshrines, among other things, sexual fluidity.
 
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It’s fine until it blocks honest and authentic discussion.
 
Thank you for this!

It is not that hard to imagine what it would be like to walk a mile in minority shoes. At least it’s not that hard if you are willing to try.

There is a serious empathy deficiency in the world today.
 
ndmoharo said:
I saw a sticker on a door that said, “Jesus wasn’t politically correct either”
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Let’s leave Jesus out of this. He defended adulteresses and prostitutes. He ate with the unclean. He was merciful and kind to the downtrodden.

While it is true that he challenged societal norms, he did not do it so that it would be ok to be mildly offensive to others, to make fun of minority groups, or to support political candidates with questionable moral compasses.
 
Syllogism said:
Jesus did not walk around promoting or defending adultery or prostitution.
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He did not protect the behavior, but he did save the adulteress from being stoned.

But yeah, a lot of this gets twisted out of context
 
Syllogism said:
No, he didn’t. Jesus did not walk around promoting or defending adultery or prostitution. How “go and sin no more” could be construed as a defense is beyond me.
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When a woman is faced with an angry mob who has condemned her and is about to stone her Jesus invited the person who is without sin to cast the first stone. The crowd disperses. He tell her to go and sin no more.

He defended her against the will of the mob. I’m not saying he defended the actions that got her there in the first place.

As for Romans 1, I’m not shocked or surprised by anything contained in it. You are going to have to be more specific.
 
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Almost no one has ever used ‘political correctness’ as a positive term, or urged others to be ‘politically correct’.
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The friend I spoke of upthread used ‘politically correct’ to mean ‘respectful to women.’ He believed that was what it meant.
 
Syllogism said:
No, he didn’t. Jesus did not walk around promoting or defending adultery or prostitution. How “go and sin no more” could be construed as a defense is beyond me.
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He did not defend adultery. He protected the adulteress who would have been stoned if not for him.
He did not advocate prostitution. He was good to prostitutes.
 
I simply don’t have the patience for people who get easily offended. I can’t think of an instance when someone has called what I’ve said offensive but political correctness has poisoned British media. You can say whatever you like about white, male Christians though, they can’t get their feelings hurt because they don’t have any apparently…
 
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Rhubarb said:
Have you heard the arguments against Apu? It’s more than just “dat’s racist!!!” Watch the documentary. Walk a little bit in someone else’s skin. Or, just listen to their story.
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As a working class white dad, I am offended by your double standard. The character of Homer Simpson is extremely racist, stereotypical and bigoted. Homer is a character that furthers the stereotype of the overweight, dim witted, beer drinking middle class male. This character is used over and over from shows like Family Guy to King of Queens. Homer has to go.
 
rockford said:
I was just curious how people on this site feel about the wave of political correctness we’re living in. Do you guys think it’s a positive or a negative?
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Being polite and not tossing around racial slurs or making remarks about how women should get back in the kitchen is one thing.

But like most things, people take it way too far and it becomes ridiculous.

A couple years ago I was banned from a news site for using the word “thug”, which to me is a perfectly good English word for generations, to refer to a white criminal who had robbed and shot someone with no question that he was the guilty party. The same news outlet routinely would not print complete descriptions of crime suspects that we were supposed to be watching out for, because they didn’t want to state the race or ethnicity of the suspect, even though it was in the police bulletin that was clearly stated on the police website that they ganked their news from (heaven forbid journalists would have to go out and get a story by pounding the pavement instead of sitting in Starbucks cobbling together stuff from the web). When I’m not even allowed to know the physical description of a rapist running loose in my neighborhood, we’ve left the bounds of intelligent discussion.
 
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